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WWE Raw/SD/NXT; Weekly Episodic Dizzy Discussions
Topic Started: Dec 20 2016, 02:15 AM (2,463 Views)
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Lita Maivia,Feb 13 2017
06:47 AM
Naomi has a great entrance and a fantastic look, I will give her that. But she just isn't at the level of the rest of the girls on Smackdown. It's tough to see her as the champion when you have girls like Alexa Bliss, Becky Lynch, Mickie James, and even Natalya on the roster. Even Nikki Bella has more star power behind her than Naomi. Heck, you've even got Asuka wasting away in NXT with girls who just can't touch her (sans Ember Moon). The roles should really be reversed with Naomi tearing up NXT.

I feel comfortable talking about this here because I don't think we're going to dive that deep into this title win specifically on the podcast. While I agree that there are more refined women on the roster who could be champ, and more tenured ones... as bad decisions go this could be WAY worse. I recall the several times Mark Henry or Big Show have held the top singles title and the dearth of entertainment that was. I love Naomi, and if this was the first match I saw from her I wouldn't have any arguments about her being champ; it was good. She didn't fuck up anything that I noticed. The move she won on looked a little rough from the angle we saw it at, but they replayed it at another angle later and it was fine. So if she can keep that up consistently, awesome. I'd say she got the title at exactly the right time to do something good with it.

Beyond that, like Bleak said, the crowd was chanting at her "You deserve it" unprompted. Clearly she's over enough to support a win. I can't remember the last time they had a reaction like that. Zack Ryder, maybe?
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Well, I finally got a chance to sit down and WATCH the matches I wanted to see on this show. The night of I only saw Mickie James vs. Becky Lynch and the Handicap match before Walking Dead came on. Then I saw the Chamber afterwards.

Mickie vs. Becky was a great match between these two and showed that both are great wrestlers. I'm still blown away that Mickie is back in WWE. She's my second favorite wrestler of all-time so it's amazing to be able to see her every week on Smackdown. I'm still disappointed that she's lost every match since coming back and this one especially should have been hers to win.

Nikki Bella vs. Natalya was... well. It was an okay match. I'd even say it was good. My problems are as follows: Natalya is not a good sports entertainer. It's obvious that she's a skilled grappler, but she doesn't seem to know how to translate those skills into a fluid and exciting match. Everything she does feels awkward and disjointed, even if she executes the individual moves well. And she's a charisma void. She talks all through the match (something Alexa Bliss shines doing) but it just doesn't elicit anything. Nikki is not a great wrestler by any stretch of the imagination. She's better than Brie, but that's not a huge compliment. The difference is that Nikki knows how to string together what she's capable of into entertaining offense. And the fans love her. You can't teach someone how to get over with the fans, especially nowadays. You also, as WWE has learned on numerous occasions, force the fans to like someone.

On a non-wrestling-related note: I absolutely love Nikki's long black hair. It's hot as.

Alexa Bliss vs. Naomi was the women's match of the night. And considering Mickie and Becky put on an amazing match and I don't care for Naomi, that's a huge compliment. I would say Naomi is about as talented as Nikki Bella. She's not the best, but she knows how to translate her skills into looking fly in the ring. Her only downfall is that she's a step or two above Natalya with charisma. She was great in her post-match interview because it was REAL and I think the fans got that. I did love how emotional she got. Considering she's a terrible actress, it showed her real passion and I like that.

But Alexa Bliss should still be champion. And here's my reasons for that: Alexa is probably head and shoulders above the majority of the Smackdown Live women's roster when she has no right to be! Experience-wise, Alexa is beneath everyone on the roster right now except for Carmella. She had less time in NXT than Becky, she's had less opportunities than Becky, she's been on the main-roster WAY less than Nikki, Natalya, and Naomi; but damn if she hasn't delivered the blisstation that she promised her first night on Smackdown Live. She has excelled in the ring and she's surpassed everyone on the mic in a matter of months. And if you go back and watch her first few in-ring promos she was shaky.

It just seems that WWE has been looking for their next Trish Stratus for decades now and... you have her! Alexa Bliss is GORGEOUS! She's solid in the ring. And she cuts promos better than Trish Stratus ever did. I just don't understand it.

I guess it depends on how they book her from here. The whole angle was her underestimating Naomi and maybe now that it blew up in her face, she'll come back and take the title in their rematch; but that doesn't really seem like the role of a heel to learn their lesson, get serious, and promptly shut down the face. It just makes the face look like they were only good when the heel didn't bother. I don't know. My hopes just aren't high for Alexa moving forward. Please don't become the new Carmella.
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Look, if it's about who we like the most... Alexa all the way. She's probably the wrestler I get most excited about to watch in main-roster WWE, although Naomi is probably a close second, even if she's not quite as talented.

I don't see what people see in the Bellas. They're better than when they showed up but I'm still routinely disappointed by them.
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Raw's on tonight and while everything this far hasn't had a truly blockbuster moment I do have a few thoughts-
-What's with WWE making nonsensical handicap matches? I would hope they would be building their tag division but have em tangle with Roman? I doubt Roman is making a team with Rollins being on the shelf. Least Roman didn't Superman his way to victory.

-Emmalina..er...Emma...I don't get it...I hope there's something else added to it later in the show otherwise that was seventeen weeks for nadda. I mean when they postponed Brodus Clay they made em eventually debut as Funkasaurus...wait...that was awful too...I guess waiting forever to pull the trigger is a real bad weak spot for WWE.

-I kinda dig that Bruan uses a running powerslam as a finisher, the dude is a beast being able to get Mark Henry for a slam like that takes some strength!
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Despite being a huge Becky Lynch fan, I have to agree Alexa Bliss has surpassed her and the rest of the main roster SD! Live women's roster by leaps and bounds. I actually went on YouTube and looked at some of her debut stuff, and it's shocking how much she's improved since then. As far as her booking goes, she could always do the "it was only a fluke win, I'll get my title back" sort of deal and take it back either at or sometime after Mania. My guess is it'll be after Mania so Naomi can leave her hometown with the title and then Alexa will get it back at some point after. It'd be a good way to create a long-term program between them two and could very well help Naomi work on some of the things she needs to work on.

EDIT: As far as RAW goes tonight, so far I've only half been paying attention, honestly. There's been a few things here and there so far in the first 2 hours that have been okay, but nothing special.

The Emma-Emmalina-and back to Emma thing was really odd. The ending to that promo was awful and awkward to watch. I have no idea what the purpose of that was cause there was literally nothing different to her. I dunno, I don't get it. But then after pushing it for 17 weeks as she said, with the same promo every single week, it's kinda hard to be amped for something like that.
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I forgot about Emmalina's debut or I would have watched.

Uh... what happened?
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"You've been waiting for me for 17 weeks. But I'm finally here. Thanks for waiting."

*walks off awkwardly*

That's probably not a direct quote but it was just as awkward
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I found the video. Uh... yep. I don't get it. The fans didn't either. Though, I'm shocked they actually cheered her in spots in that promo. At least until it was all "wha?"
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EDIT: Dammit, Bleak! You stole my thunder! Lol :P

But yeah, it was incredibly awkward. I'm shocked by the cheers too.
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Bayley wins the Women's championship and I'm pleased. Shame it wasn't at a PPV but I guess they're trying to maintain Charlotte's perfect record at these events or something. Just odd she always loses the title on RAW's when Sasha Banks is involved.


:(JeriKO is over, though I did very much enjoy the dramatic tension that list of KO added to the segment. Very nice touch and it pretty much seals KO's fate at Fastlane.

An alright RAW, nothing spectacular but I've seen far worse.
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GUYS THE FRIENDSHIP IS OVER.

Oh and Bayley won the title but considering Charlotte gets booked stronger than even my boy Roman (most of the time, at least), that may not last long.
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We'll probably see Charlotte win the belt back at Fastlane. It is how her title feuds all go.
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Lita Maivia,Feb 13 2017
10:39 PM
We'll probably see Charlotte win the belt back at Fastlane. It is how her title feuds all go.

Like, that and Goldberg beating Owens are the two downsides to me going to Fastlane. I have nothing but hatred for Charlotte and Owens should not be losing to an out-of-shape part-timer.
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As a huge Emma fan, I really hope Emmalina is dead for good. And I hope we see her before another chunk of weeks pass us by.
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WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT GILLBERG.
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WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT GILLBERG.

Because they're a lot younger than us and weren't around for his 1998 debut.
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I generally liked Raw, although I was confused by Emmalina I remember when Chris Jericho first came back with the lite brite jacket, he would do this bit where he'd do all these super over the top babyface things for an uncomfortable amount of time for his entrance, then he'd just...smile...and leave. Walk to the back w/o saying a word. This carried on for a couple weeks before he just went full blown heel. I think thats what theyre doing with Emma. Fake out by doing a phony "repackaging" into a lame-oid 2000s era model type diva, then bust Evil Emma out which is what everybody actually wants.
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Wasn't she already evil?
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Wasn't she already evil?

Well, it WAS pretty evil of her to make us wait like that....
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I finally got to watch all of RAW... Well, actually its still on (Cesaro vs Enzo) I gotta say that Festival of Freindship segment was done so well. Kevin Owens as a heel was able to become a real heel with real heel heat and I hope we see the vicious beast Kevin Owens can be from here on out. I feel like Jericho was shooting when he told KO about how the past year has been the best and when thanking him. I really really loved these two together and I was so invested in them that even though I knew this was coming I genuinely disliked the break up, as a fan. But I also loved the way they did it, so dramatic and well put together! Jericho asking why he was on the list and how we could see it say "The list of KO" but he could not! So well done. This is going to be a moment that lives on forever in the memories of fan. The Shawn Michaels throwing Marty threw the Barbershop window, Hogan leg dropping Randy at Bash at The Beach 96', HHH giving Orton the thumbs down on Batistas shoulders are all turns that I will never forget and this one, this one JUST MADE THE LIST!! (pun intended)

Besides Romans Reign of terror and Emmas thing, I enjoyed this Monday Night RAW.
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Derp. Forgot to post this here.

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Raw was alright this week, I found myself oddly entertained by Big Show VS Braun. Seeing two mammoth sized dudes wreck each other was neat, Braun needs some polishing but he's come a long way since his early days.

New Day is seriously putting work into Ice Cream, I mean they brought cereal to life. Maybe the big unveiling of that will be at Wrestlemania as the hosts will give us a dancing Big E throughout tye show.

Kevin Owens is a joy to watch, little sad that Goldberg will more than likely take that belt away from em. Unless Brock interferes and costs big Bill the match, but I just dont see it happening.

I thought Bayley was totally going to pull a Max Rowley and give the title back. Thankfully she kept it, that would have taken the breath from my chest.

All in all, Raw was half way decent.
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Already in a heated argument on a different board over the main event. I was legit pissed off. Strowman should not be looking like he's struggling against BIG SHOW IN 2017. And he's somehow supposed to be a threat to beat Reigns at Fastlane? Yeah, not happening.
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That Darn Seph,Feb 20 2017
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New Day is seriously putting work into Ice Cream, I mean they brought cereal to life. Maybe the big unveiling of that will be at Wrestlemania as the hosts will give us a dancing Big E throughout tye show.

I didn't watch RAW so I don't know what you're referencing, but I hope the big unveiling you're talking about is the Gooker Again.

When will HE be playable in a 2K game? When do I get the Shockmaster?

These are the classic wrestlers that really matter.

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... and Kevin Sullivan.
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Man, I really like what they are doing with Braun! I believe it when I see him as an unbeatable monster! Big Show is an experinced GIANT who has gotten into great shape, so instead of just plowing threw show, I like that for once Braun was covered for a pin. Big show helps put over the younger guys and I thought he helped make Braun look like an even bigger beast taking the choke slam, knock out punch and still kicking out of those. Did any one else notice Braun do a nip-up?

I also liked that Cesaro and Sheamus are working together better now. Anyone else think one of them can be turning? A heel Cesaro maybe?

the rest was cool. I watched 2 hours of it then took a break and watched the rest on treadmill at the gym. I feel like its easier to watch when taking a break, and it distracts me from running on a treadmill. lol!
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