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| Summer of Sin Feedback; The Biggest Event of the Summer! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 22 2016, 09:31 PM (1,279 Views) | |
| Lita Maivia | Jul 23 2016, 08:15 PM Post #26 |
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| It's Dee Dee | Jul 23 2016, 10:03 PM Post #27 |
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It was a really nice card. I'm not familiar with a lot of the history, but there were some good stories told in the matches and that's what makes for good matches. I really don't have much to add other than that. |
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| Craig | Jul 23 2016, 10:44 PM Post #28 |
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Like the skin on a dying man - my favourite Jake Roberts promo. As I communicate to everybody who contacts me regarding an explanation for match outcomes, judging is subjective (as Steve has said above) and each of 7 judges who have contributed over the past several weeks have their own preferences. Their logic is their own and however flawed you may find it, it is to be respected, not questioned. That I do not appreciate. However, all decisions in the end do fall on my shoulders, I have the final sign off and I collate the outcomes. That’s not to be shared, I take that responsibility solely and never without careful consideration. It’s a fundamental part of FIW, to determine the winners and those that don’t that time. If anybody does want to contribute to judging by all means do, there’s a gap every week in-between the deadline and the show going up of around 36 hours, shoot me a PM. I absolutely love reading the roleplays and the diversity we have, judging is hard, it’s like choosing your favourite child sometimes but it’s the process, it feeds the cards which feeds the amazing roleplays that we all enjoy and the shows like Summer of Sin. Wight’s been in touch via PM, I’ve replied with some comments that hopefully go a way to helping his day improve and answer some of the issues raised here. As I post this I see he has replied and I’m glad it helped. I will just go a bit further in depth about this Breakthrough 10-Way match, as we had a vacancy to challenge for the Dual Crown I felt the 10-Way was the best solution and would serve three valid purposes: 1. Highlight existing rivalries (Riot vs. Visual Keingdom) and ‘stories’ such as Uther Malvado’s dominance and Dream’s comedic antics. 2. Create new interactions (both via roleplays and in the match itself) that can be built off including those of new or returning wrestlers such as Priest and Mike Harrison. 3. Determine a new contender for the Dual Crown. I’m of the opinion that those targets were hit and through some fantastic roleplays. Everybody in the match brought something to the table and I hope that’s reflected in the writing. From there it’s a two pronged judging approach, who won the Breakthrough and whether they defeat Mad Dawg. The existence of that second question answers the issue raised about it not being possibility. I wouldn’t have asked if it wasn’t and would never book a match which was pre-determined without those participating knowing well in advance. As most of the big matches are, it was a split decision on both counts. My personal opinion was Jack Jr. and then ‘no’, which formed a majority verdict as it matched somebody else’s. I knew Steve would be disappointed, I spent Thursday night thinking of nothing else, and I didn’t make that decision lightly, as I don’t for any match result. This is far from the end of the road for Steve or Jack Manson Jr. as a character in terms of championship pursuits, it's just the start. People are here for different reasons, some like the stories, some like the production, some go for creativity, some prefer the competitiveness. It’s never going to go all your way all the time, together we try and make that happen as much as possible for the majority of the time, but there will inevitably be some moments that don’t happen as you’d like. Steve’s covered that point better than I have. I have started the roster feedback but it will bleed into tomorrow as I finish it. I like the blue, it feels retro now. |
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| Sqweaktoy | Jul 23 2016, 11:47 PM Post #29 |
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| Minister Wighty | Jul 23 2016, 11:49 PM Post #30 |
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Please remove me from the card and roster. Thanks for bearing with me, it's been fun. See you all next time around. |
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| It's Dee Dee | Jul 24 2016, 12:04 AM Post #31 |
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Has there ever been thought of going a little less so pure promo and a bit more promo/angle? A lot of good talent is leaving because lack of satisfaction in their characters after putting forth a lot of work here. Hate to see them go just as I got here, but a good story could have hooked them even in a loss at the PPV and kept them from feeling all that work was not wasted. Also, there is less of a burden on the decisions made by judges in these situations. I know I'm new here, but I'm not new to ew... so, if I am speaking out of turn please forgive my forwardness here. The two above me are REALLY GOOD writers and I don't want to see them leave from what I've read from themy both. Thanks for reading. |
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| Lita Maivia | Jul 24 2016, 01:35 AM Post #32 |
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I've tried to push an angle-based fed so much. People here fight for a competitive-based fed and this always happens. Welcome aboard anyway and I really hope we haven't scared you off. You're a great RPer.
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| Steve | Jul 24 2016, 01:38 AM Post #33 |
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I wouldn't care if it was a mix. I think championship matches at the least should be competitive. |
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| NickRiot | Jul 24 2016, 01:40 AM Post #34 |
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I'm in favor of all of us getting purely shit-faced and having a REAL wrestling match to see which way everything goes. |
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| ratedgdr | Jul 24 2016, 01:44 AM Post #35 |
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I have been in an angle-based fed before. That tends (at least in my experience) to not be much better/sometimes quite a bit worse. (Granted part of it was my fault but I wasn't the only person who got into clashes over the style). |
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| MrOtaku2399 | Jul 24 2016, 01:54 AM Post #36 |
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| Steve | Jul 24 2016, 02:25 AM Post #37 |
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How were we supposed to know the punch was spiked?
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| Minister Wighty | Jul 24 2016, 02:51 AM Post #38 |
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Lita has suggested a different interpretation of Craig's statement that is less... acerbic. I'm willing to believe it because Craig is usually such a peach, but I still think I should largely take my leave for the time being. This is why I try not to leave in dramatic fashion; I know I'll always come back and it's best not to burn bridges. I've considered starting up a story fed, but I haven't figured out a sane way to do it yet. I'll keep you all posted. |
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| Hayden | Jul 24 2016, 04:15 AM Post #39 |
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Greetings from Comic Con! It's getting late and heavy shit is going down in the real world, so it's the perfect time to jump on the internet. Or not, I suppose. Hell of a thing to walk into. So..... feedback! I haven't read all of the show, mainly skimmed since my phone does relatively quick. I will say however that I'm surprised Wighty didn't win the battle Royal, as I thought he did a wonderful job this week. I'm not taking anything away from JMJ, who's been a wonderful character and is always someone I love to RP against. I just felt like Wighty put in a hell of an effort and that he got the duke. As to whether that equates him beating Mad Dawg, I don't know. The argument could be made that Wighty's promos were more focused on the 10-man match rather than Mad Dawg, but I'll never know since I wasn't a judge. I will say that I felt like I may have somehow pulled it off, maybe a miracle-type thing, but if be willing to bet it was my old nemesis the deadline that did me in. Hearing many say deadline bombing is bad when I'm the last promo (five minutes before the deadline!) has me feeling all sorts of guilty and shamed. I had wanted to do special theme music for the 10-man and against Mad Dawg if it came to that, but alas I was too late. I'd also like to say that despite my belief that Wighty had won, Steve (I hope it's Steve. I'm still learning names) did an amazing job this week. Jack is a great character, and to see him win and come so close to dethroning the champ lets me know he'll be back in the title hunt soon enough. It may not be easy with Mad Dawg, but I'd love to see a straight up match between the two. To end because I'm about to lose my wifi area, I'm a bit worried about how people perceive The Dream (no exclamation needed Craig). I tried to tap into a more serious side given the stakes, plus I worry that a comedic character will never really get a shot at the Dual Crown. Hes a lighthearted guy who makes jokes and punches people in the groin, and while it's fun to play, I'd be lying of I said that I didn't think about the Dual Crown title. Every wrestler has a role, and not every character can be the champion, but I'm wondering if Dream's ever going to make it to the dance being the person he is now. |
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| ratedgdr | Jul 24 2016, 04:23 AM Post #40 |
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I guess this could be a chance to bring in Seto Uchiha if you don't have that much confidence in The Dream, but you and I have been in feds where people have been successful doing far more "out there" stuff than The Dream. Not to mention that he was a solid character in NGIW. So I don't think you should be so quick to abandon ship on The Dream yet. |
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| Hayden | Jul 24 2016, 04:31 AM Post #41 |
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I'm still in the firm belief that Seto and Suri have left wrestling and are content living together in harmony. Lita may have a differing opinion but I like to believe this one. His brother Koji might make the trip though. Depends if I can really get behind the character. |
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| Lita Maivia | Jul 24 2016, 05:11 AM Post #42 |
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Mungrel is a multi-time Dual Crown Champion and he's a goofball. I mean, granted he had some serious arcs now and again. Also, Dream can out-goofball all the goofballs in the world. But that's not a con, it's a pro. Also. I love Seto Uchiha. I love the idea of him and Suri being happily ever after. |
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| Dai | Jul 24 2016, 08:14 AM Post #43 |
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I preferred Koji to Seto, even if he couldn't think up his own damn nicknames. <3 PS. Your last one was nearly three hours after the deadline, which is at 9pm EST. |
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| Hayden | Jul 24 2016, 02:59 PM Post #44 |
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Dammit, that's right. I'm still stuck on west coast time. |
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| Craig | Jul 24 2016, 05:11 PM Post #45 |
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Happy to run angles and storylines that contain pre-determined results, which I think was what the suggestion was about. We have a forum 'The Drawing Board' in the General Discussion forums which contains the following description Storylines? Feuds? Creative Direction? This is your one stop shop to let management know what you'd like to see. Take a look at others ideas and see if you can fit yourself into that idea for a new direction for your character. All this and much, much more.... I'm also happy to receive storyline/angle ideas via PM and discuss that way. I think I've got the exclamation mark from Dream's profile, I'll note not to use that in future. Comedy characters are a welcome inclusion considering that there are several very serious characters. The recent victory over Jack Jr. and Drew Stevenson demonstrates that the comedic element can go very far. Thank you to whoever updated the title histories, it was on my list for today. |
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| Lita Maivia | Jul 24 2016, 05:27 PM Post #46 |
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You're welcome. Here to help. Let me know if you need anything else. |
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| Craig | Jul 24 2016, 09:28 PM Post #47 |
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Roster feedback as promised, hopefully this is worthwhile! Bisenshi Sakura Sakura is very well written, of everybody on the roster I get the impression that Dai has the most sound understanding of the character. I don’t always ‘get’ her in all honesty but at the same time, I find her very ‘real’ and I know that’s hard to understand. The Vi departure is going to hit Sakura hard but as evidenced in preparation for Summer of Sin, Dai clearly has other options for interaction and the Walkin’ Man is somebody I enjoy reading. Just main evented Summer of Sin, retained the Hellcats Championship against a highly credible challenger but I’m left wondering, yeah but what’s next? And that’s partly my challenge, partly Dai’s. Brick Sharks From the Hellcats Champion to the Tag Team Champions. The lack of other teams hurt them and the consistency of other teams has also had the same effect in the past. The tag team division is only as strong as its depth, prior to Will bringing back the McConnaigh boys, it had two full-time teams in it. There’s more to Dos Gatitos vs. Brick Sharks because their interactions have been restricted but after that, it’s a struggle. I do think they are incredibly fun to read about and their exploits, I appreciate the difference in personalities. They remind me of Ash’s Ever Amazing team although theirs was more student/teacher, this is straight man to clown. I mean clown in the nicest way possible. Brittany Came so close at Summer of Sin, Brittany is somebody that I consider to be very versatile. In talking with Lia about the direction for Brit from Summer of Sin onwards, it’s clear that she can take several different avenues and it’s just a case of choosing one or all. The quality that she has that stands out the most to me is her ability to engage with others whether that’s one of Lita’s own characters or somebody else ie. Mad Dawg. Cody McGinnis Sadly computer issues have curtailed Terry for the moment, I haven’t read a lot of McGinnis material but what I have read is good stuff and just looking at the title history he’s been involved in a lot of high profile situations as a former Fighting Spirit Champion. I’m looking forward to seeing more when Terry’s issues are over. Darian Gray The work the other week was phenomenal and rightly drew plaudits, the task for Matt is to maintain that going forward. Darian has an interesting gimmick and clearly Matt adapts well to different situations, having been in a tag team then the Fighting Spirit Champion in recent weeks. In discussions with Matt he’s very enthusiastic and Darian’s partnership with Kim Coulter is a smart one. Dee Dee Summers As good a debut roleplay I’ve seen in a while, excited to see what comes and pleasing to see getting involved in OOC as well. I know the handler uses twitter (the real one) so I’m looking forward to her FIW twitter contributions. Dos Gatitos Again as with the Sharks, I appreciate the different personalities that Mun presents. The only thing I feel holding this team back is that they would benefit from interaction, which could come from posting roleplays earlier. That’s a Mun-schedule thing and not always possible but I do feel would bring the team more into prominence. Gustav David Richlen I said it recently somewhere, very consistently written and I’m always interested to read what Sticky has for Gus. I get the impression he’s a competitive guy. Having said that, sometimes I feel Gus verges on a heel alignment as some of his interactions take a heelish tone, which is fine but makes it slightly difficult to view him as a face. I don’t know if that’s just my interpretation, which it’s entirely possible it is. Current Fighting Spirit Champion, will be a difficult FSC to beat. We’ve had several really good Fighting Spirit Champions lately, which has increased the stock of the title and Gustav is another of those. Jack Manson Jr. Jack Jr. has come a long way in a very short space of time, sometimes if I wonder if he’s come along too quickly but that’s a testament to how Steve portrays him. Steve is very storyline-savvy and is another with a new partnership with Kim Coulter, which will add value. Johnny Amazing Our non-Undisputed International Champion. Solid background and base to the character, I wasn’t around for a lot of his ascension up the card through the divisions but I think does provide a reference point to anybody that worries about their character currently at the bottom rung of the ladder. Hayden talked about Dream maybe not being suited to the Dual Crown or a top title, Johnny sort of is the answer to that having gradually moved his way up. Johnny’s an engaging type, he can talk to anybody and for that reason he’s practically become the centrepiece to my thoughts. Jordan Rayburn Currently involved in the storyline with Nick Riot & Kira Izumi, he’s more of a straight man to Kira’s eccentricity. I haven’t got as invested in him, knowing that you’re looking to take him out of play and using that enhance Kira’s story. Katsu Shun Another Pain character that I haven’t read that many roleplays about, although I had a soft spot for the ones I did. I look forward to booking him when Terry’s back because both his characters seem to be around the same area, or at least appear to be from what I’ve seen so I wonder if one might branch out into the tag team division. I ran the Logan attack storyline with him at Summer of Sin with him so that he comes straight back into an angle when available. Kim Coulter Kim is highly valuable, she pulls storylines together and was badly hit by the departures of Eversol and Helena Handbasket so hooking up with Darian and Jack Manson Jr. is a smart move and the flirtation with Dream as a potential client (on his end, obviously!). The work with Drew Stevenson was masterful, turning him around and shows the quality of Lita’s work. Kira Izumi Keep developing those roleplays, break up the text more. Noticed last week the big blocks are creeping back. Read Steve’s rolepays or Lita’s for example, have a look around the video archive. There’s a RP clinic help topic Kira’s obviously highly involved in the Nick Riot storyline and will benefit. It’s just a case of developing a bit longer roleplays and breaking them up more. Logan Krueger Classic fedhead character, in that he’s a bit of a ‘floater’ now and needs a bit of flexibility to fit in where necessary. Mad Dawg The current reigning and defending Dual Crown Champion. Very difficult to roleplay against from my own experience. Mad Dawg is a compelling character, he does push boundaries on occasion and sometimes he slips into potential heelish territory, especially with the twitter responses. I think that’s where some of the blurred lines come from. His recent history with a tough reign has been discussed to death really but through it he has been a strong lead character. A criticism could be to post roleplays earlier, bit of a pattern developing with the late ones and close to the deadline but I do appreciate schedules don’t always match up as well as we’d hope. McConnaigh Brothers Is it Boys, Clan or Brothers? A recent return, a welcome boost to the tag ranks and looking forward to seeing them in action. Mike Harrison I remember Mike from his first FIW run, another difficult character to roleplay against. I think of Chris Cage, who was a partner of Rurik Krychek when I first brought in Clay. At first you sort of underestimate him but then when you’re up against him, you get how tough it is. Good start, needs a rivalry under him and that’s what we’ll work towards. Nathaniel Alexander Just wanted to thank Nate for all of his contributions. A really good character who could transition divisions with ease as evidenced by him being put into the DC match at late notice. Best of luck with writing. Nick Riot Took on the Jordan Rayburn/Kira Izumi storyline and benefitted from it, and will do in future. Seems to have a sound mind for storylines and roleplays are always a highlight for me, always interesting. The roleplay style with the Jake Roberts influence I did like, it was a strong contribution and I want to encourage him to continue with that. Priest Not seen many Priest roleplays, we’ve missed each other during the different spells - Summer of Sin aside. Looking forward to read them because that will determine where he fits in. I hope Will can contribute regularly, I understand the last few times Will’s been on the roster he can be a bit inconsistent due to external factors and dip in and out. That’s not a problem, just let us know and things can be worked around. Shaelin I don’t have a real solid opinion of Shaelin yet, I understand she was in NGIW? I wrote in the match at Summer of Sin that she was the ‘shadow’ behind Richlen and that’s a bit of a naughty shoot on my part because that’s sort how I see her at the minute while she develops. Does probably need to develop her own side-line, agrees a lot with Richlen. Interaction with Kim will provide that for her. The split in personality like I mentioned of the Brick Sharks and Dos Gatitos could really set her apart. The Dream (!) Occasionally too much speech text together in a block which is especially prevalent because Dream is a mover, so you can imagine he’s not stood still delivering it. Comedy is a very hard skill to sell, making words not just words. I’m very interested in how he interacts with different people, bearing in mind that he made a good start to that in the night out thread a few weeks ago. Big future for him, Lita mentioned people like Mungrel and I think about people like Hutch, who was a spectacular comedy character and was highly successful as well Yuki Sakaraba A really good gimmick, the Kawaii Queen. Needs more roleplay development and please don’t take being missed off PPV as a slight, Otaku already had 2 characters on there. Can’t fault commitment or effort. Pleased to see actively wanting to do a promo for the PPV and participating in twitter exchanges. It was mentioned to me a couple of weeks ago about the translations, which didn't seem to work very well, so I’m going to provide exactly what that was: “Basically that he shouldn't have the translation in brackets directly after what's being said. Either just write it the once, in the white square brackets the rest of us use to denote subtitles, or if he has to put a translation in, either do it the narration underneath or as a footnote.” Hope all that helps and I'll try to do this on a six-monthly basis. If you have any questions about what I've said here or something you want to highlight, feel free to PM me. |
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| MrOtaku2399 | Jul 24 2016, 10:05 PM Post #48 |
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thanks you craig.I'm still looking around for stuff with kira and im sorry about HUUUUUUGE paragraphs at times i just get into it and ramble along till i notice there that big.Ill break em up more and i might try out a gimick im working in another place too.Should be a fun little addition to his rps and ill check out those rps some time tonight. Im sorry about the translations and either putting them or not putting them in.Ill try to make it be underneath or something next time.Ill try to develop Yuki and Kira more through this week and try to get Jordan some good dtuff too.Im looking at lyrics and stuff for inspiration and im gonna try look at some other things too.I got cool ideas with Kira that should help me be more "Creative" and i hope not too gorey or creepy thanks for the feedback and ill try to work it in the best i can. |
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| Minister Wighty | Jul 25 2016, 09:30 PM Post #49 |
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Hey, kids. Popping in for a second, because I have a few things I feel like clarifying, and honestly not checking FIW multiple times daily (as well as my employment opportunity not being what it was made out to be) has given me a wealth of free time I'm not sure what to do with. So far I've tried out the new character in Overwatch. She's fun. Anyhow, above and beyond FIW issues I had a rough weekend. These two things kind of fed into each other and made both worse, I feel, but like I said; we're a few days removed and I'm ready to move on with my life. So, for those who have interacted with me since Friday and read these posts, I wanna clear up a couple things; 1. I'm not mad I lost. It made me wonder if my work with Uther was good enough to bother going further, because I don't like wasting my time or the time of others. But a number of people I've talked to keep saying "I'm sorry you lost, man" but that was never the point. 2. Nothing about my original post was ever mad. I'm not even going to play the synonym game. I was discouraged, and confused. I so desperately just want to have a nice time with my friends, and stuff I don't understand happens... and I'm the kind of person who can't just ignore it or put it aside, and it's stuff that I can't conceive of as being anything but ugly. That doesn't mean it's the truth; it just means that's the only way I see it and need clarification. The second Craig explained his point of view to me, while I still didn't agree I got where he was coming from and that was everything I needed. In hindsight, maybe I shouldn't have been so specific in my original post... but on the other hand I've gotten into hot water over not being specific enough so many times in the past that it may have been a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' situation. 3. Regarding the quote that saw me take my leave this time around... the way I took it originally was that the opinions of the judges were not to be questioned. If that's the case, I still vehemently disagree with that. I'm not upset, but that's not the kind of environment I want to work in. That's fascism, and I don't do fascism. The interpretation Lita suggested to me was that the individual judges should not be sought out and questioned, but instead Craig bear that weight. Which is fine. I agree with that entirely. You may remember from when Sid was in charge and I was in charge I was radically opposed to tracking down individual judges and shaking them down for their opinions. I would also like to submit that I was never trying to do that. Perhaps I misrepresented myself, there. I apologize for that. Part of the problem is the feedback thread as a public forum for opinion-giving. On one hand, it reminds us to praise those who did a good job. And the writers did a good job! I enjoyed everything I read, from the matches to the promos. I had a lot of fun competing on the way in, and I was left with options on the way out. I said as much in my original thread. On the other side of the coin, it's still a place to air your grievances. On one hand, that sort of thing isn't healthy when all you're doing is saying "my opponent is shit and I should've won! What gives!?" God, that's the kind of thing you need to keep to PMs. But asking for clarification on a confusing issue like this that isn't trying to call anyone out or be rude (as I SWEAR I wasn't. I went over that post three or four times trying to make sure of that before I posted it, and at least six times after) is exactly the kind of thing the feedback thread is built for. It's hard to find somebody who likes critical feedback, especially when it's first received, but without constructive criticism we don't grow as bookers and roleplayers. And that's the meat of the point I was trying to make throughout; I want to have a good time with my friends. If stuff is happening that doesn't seem fair, logical, or enjoyable if something is happening to destroy my good time with my friends then I want to see it corrected. And while it's ridiculous to ask that something be STRICKEN FROM FIW LORE!!! it's reasonable to call things like that into question so they don't happen again. I don't know. I thought I made myself clear, but the conversations I've had since seemed to have missed one or more of these points. I've been looking around for another place to try out, but it seems like the few places that are still running these days either have roleplay limits or allow real-life characters and fuck that noise. I can't even seem to find RoughKut anymore, so... FIW looks like it's the last best bastion of a dying breed. So in that sense, as I said earlier before I even went a-looking, I'll be back someday. Either here in FIW or with my own venture... again, if I can figure it out. So, sorry if I kicked up some bad toast. I really wasn't tryin' to. I just hate being misunderstood. |
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| Steve | Jul 25 2016, 10:50 PM Post #50 |
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I still love you in the most platonic of ways, Wight! I 100% saw where you were coming from with your post and also being on the other side of things before, I understood where Craig was coming from. Let's all hug and drink Slurpees!
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I 100% saw where you were coming from with your post and also being on the other side of things before, I understood where Craig was coming from. Let's all hug and drink Slurpees!

6:51 PM Jul 11