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Mafia!
Topic Started: Aug 27 2016, 05:02:23 PM (1,439 Views)
Vesper
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dplutonium13 Fanfic Writer/Artist "Sentio Ergo Sum"
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"This all feels wrong, It is like what Fiver said about Cowslips Warren 'It feels like mist like we're being deceived'Doesn't It?" Said Vesper as he then turned to face the group.
"Okay, everyone look. I understand that I did the same as Chipster-roo by suspecting him as well. And he has every right to. I am just scared, that's all. I mean we all basically trap here with a killer, and we do not know who it is, and why they are killing us. What if that is what the mafia wants us to do,to turn on each other and drive ourselves mad. It is best that we work together to find the mafia, a whenever they make a mistake, we get them and put them to Justice. So I apologize to Chipster-roo and Hazel if they really were not the killers. But someone is, and they'll strike again tonight So we better do something before it's too late."
Edited by Vesper, Sep 10 2016, 10:37:55 AM.
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Bright Side
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Vesper, it's good to be paranoid in this game ;) The protagonist of my novel would be excellent at this :p

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Like I said earlier, I don't find Chipster's behavior suspicious. The way he interpreted the clue, though, is rather analytical and thoughtful and I think means one of two things:
1) He's Town and is really thinking about the story.
2) He's Mafia and is digging through the story to look for an excuse to make someone look suspicious.

I agree but still I find it rather suspicious. After all, pointing out something like recognizing a scream but ignoring the fact that Vesper was with the group when it happened (for now) makes me lean more towards number 2.

That's a really good observation.

Chibiscuit
 
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*Scene setting: Cabin, in some forest that's not populated.


The forest is not populated and the scream came from the direction Crackers was in. Of course it is possible there are other hikers out there but assuming the scream comes from Crackers, whether you actually recognize it or not, isn't that strange at all considering the setting.

Insightful point.

However, I fear that we're reading too much into the story. For all we know, we're interpreting the clues partially or completely wrong. And we wouldn't know.

@EVERYONE: When you have suspicions of people based PRIMARILY on evidence from posts, please do post them.
Edited by Bright Side, Sep 10 2016, 01:15:29 PM.
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Chipster-roo
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I was suspicious about Vesper, but I said that "I may change my mind later". Chibiscuit may have a point that everything happened too fast for him to have been able to kill Crackers, but as Bright Side said, that part of the story is ambiguous. Until Crackers provides more details, I can't say anything more. This will either confirm my suspicions, or prove his innocence, in which case I will admit that my suspicion was wrong.

And no need to apologize, Vesper. This is only a game.

As for Hazel...let's wait to see what she has to say. The fact she suggested the hike could be a clue, but then again, maybe it's not.
Edited by Chipster-roo, Sep 10 2016, 04:10:45 PM.
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Crackers
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I forgot how easily clues are misinterpreted. *Facepalm*

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One thing that puzzles me, though. How can the murderer kill Crackers but then slip back into the group unnoticed? The story says that Crackers screamed, and then the group ran back to her, but where was the murderer when that happened? @Crackers: Can you explain this part of the story?


Ummm. . . . . . I don't know? You know how I write - I go off the top of my head, and then rarely proofread. :P You know what, we'll just say no one really noticed anyone missing from the group, and everyone was so panicked and distraught at finding me that they didn't notice anyone re-joining the group.

Any other points for me to clear up?
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Bright Side
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Crackers
 
I forgot how easily clues are misinterpreted. *Facepalm*

I didn't forget :P This is why we shouldn't rely too much on the story.

The only thing that confuses me is this point on Vesper:

Chibiscuit
 
Since Vesper was obviously present when Crackers got killed since he heard the scream and responded to it, it can't possibly be him unless he's a very fast runner. (or Crackers realizes very late that she's been stabbed). So I think Vesper is innocent for now...
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That was me talking to myself. :P

Well, I can't help ya there, I'm not gonna give anythin' away. ;)
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With Vesper's exclamation, it does seem like a good way to shift the spotlight by pointing it out, and even though we all chatted, it's odd to be able to identify a scream, as it's ultimately just a sound.

And Chipster was quick to place a direct blame on someone.
With the scream ordeal, I'm leaning towards Vesper at the moment.

Additionally, Chibiscuit saying "I just wish everyone else could have come, too." could be genuine, or a desire for more victims?
Then again, as stated, I could be reading into it too much.
Edited by Hazel, Sep 11 2016, 04:01:13 PM.
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"So you think I could murder My Best Friend After I heard her blood curtailing Scream that tharn me to the core. She did not deserve to die, not like this. I have told you once and I will repeat it again." Vesper said sadly to Hazel as his tone grew more serious.
" I did not Kill Crackers, But I will Kill the person who did with the Black Rabbit Of Inle by my side, and that my friend is a Fact."
Edited by Vesper, Sep 11 2016, 04:40:23 PM.
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Chipster-roo
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Thanks for explaining, Crackers. Unfortunately, this neither proves Vesper's guilt, or his innocence. So I still suspect him.

Hazel does not address the fact that Vesper originally suspected her because she is the one who suggested the hike. I'm not sure what to make of this. She does raise a point about Chibiscuit, though...
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Hazel
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It seems I did forget to mention that. I assume the suspicision is merely an attempt to place the blame on someone else. The hike was intended for fun, I can assure you. Unfortunately it didn't end up to be that fun after all, with what happened.
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With Vesper's exclamation, it does seem like a good way to shift the spotlight by pointing it out, and even though we all chatted, it's odd to be able to identify a scream, as it's ultimately just a sound.


Like I said before, I don't think recognizing the scream or not has any real relevance in the situation. Besides, "It sounds like..." is a well used expression and shouldn't be taken too literally.

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Additionally, Chibiscuit saying "I just wish everyone else could have come, too." could be genuine, or a desire for more victims?


The more the merrier, they say. Pretty standard thing to say in such a situation. Much like how suggesting a hike is a very normal thing to do in the situation as well.

Chipster-roo
Sep 11 2016, 06:32:38 PM
Thanks for explaining, Crackers. Unfortunately, this neither proves Vesper's guilt, or his innocence. So I still suspect him.


The fact still remains that Vesper immediately responded to the scream which still makes it very improbable that he did it. And you're still ignoring that fact completely.

Vesper
Sep 11 2016, 04:39:18 PM

" I did not Kill Crackers, But I will Kill the person who did with the Black Rabbit Of Inle by my side, and that my friend is a Fact."


Now this however is rather an unsettling thing to say. Answering murder with murder, not really the best response, is it?

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Now this, however, is rather an unsettling thing to say. Answering murder with murder, not really the best response, is it?
Said Chibsicuit.
Vesper then turned towards her, realizing the validity of the statement.
"I Suppose you are right about that my friend. Wow, my paranoia is starting to take the best of me into bringing the worst in me and has started to cloud my judgement and turn me into a mad rabbit, both figuratively and literally. I need take a seat and calm myself down, thanks for that Chibsicuit." Said, Vesper, as he then sat on the ground he was at first standing on.
Edited by Vesper, Sep 12 2016, 10:03:55 PM.
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I am going to completely ignore the clues for now, because chances are we're intrepreting them all wrong anyway.

Also, I tend to be aggressive in Mafia; please don't take anything I say personally.

Going by posts alone, I'm thinking perhaps Vesper. Many of his posts seem to employ the logical fallacy of emotional appeal, with little reasoning to justify people's attacks against him.

I have Chibiscuit as the most Town right now. Of course, I could be wrong and she's Mafia :P The way she's thinking, trying to spot both Innocents and suspects, comes off as Town to me. Keep in mind that in this game, there is one Mafia - not two partners who would have to defend one another. A Mafia wouldn't have reason to speak well about another player unless it was a trick, and Chibiscuit's standing up for both myself and Vesper (thus reducing the likelihood of getting us voted) seems not like a Mafia move.

In addition, I like what she said here:
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I agree but still I find it rather suspicious. After all, pointing out something like recognizing a scream but ignoring the fact that Vesper was with the group when it happened (for now) makes me lean more towards number 2.

For this, I do suspect Chipster.

Most of Hazel's first post was summarizing what has already been said (then again, she did come in the game later; it's harder to generate new material). Her clue about Chibiscuit actually makes some sense, but could also be terribly wrong. The next post she made is just defense that doesn't convince me of her innocence.

Well, this is hard. *Screams at character in my avatar* GIVE ME WISDOM!!
Edited by Bright Side, Sep 12 2016, 06:25:18 PM.
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Chibiscuit
 
Since Vesper was obviously present when Crackers got killed since he heard the scream and responded to it, it can't possibly be him unless he's a very fast runner. (or Crackers realizes very late that she's been stabbed).

The story
 
Right after the group reached their destination, one of them slipped away unnoticed. Only a moment after that, a scream split the air.

It seems Crackers wasn't that far behind, so I still think Vesper could have done it. But then, this whole reasoning is based on a clue that may end up not being a clue. But even then, as Brighty points out, his attitude in his posts has been very suspicious.

The only other player I suspect is Hazel. She has been the most quiet player so far, and only posted very late in the game. However, she was active in other threads after the game had started, and viewed it several times long before actually posting anything. She may be doing that to avoid attracting attention to herself, and as Brighty points out, her defense isn't very convincing. I'm probably overanalyzing, though.
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In between figuring out how things work in this and compiling evidence, I did post late. Although we don't have enough to go on for anyone really, besides the reactions of others. I may have been quiet but that's my way of analysing. I was trying to make sense of what to do, and the situation. I kept meaning to post earlier, but never got around to it.

Depending on the clues alone seems useless for some, and critical for others. Vesper's reactions are very odd, especially about the Black Rabbit of Inlé. As Chibiscuit said, answering murder with murder isn't the best response. Why would you risk saying something like that at a time like this?
But sometimes the calmest person can be the one to watch. Deception is a noteworthy skill.

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