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Controversial Jargon; Keep It Civil Please.
Topic Started: May 10 2012, 07:42 PM (998 Views)
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Deadpool Psycko
Jul 12 2012, 05:04 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/lennox-dog-put-sleep-belfast-145939624.html

I really hate people. Putting down a dog b/c it "LOOKS" like another breed of dog???
I really hate terrible journalism. Including a quote to justify your own journalistic opinion when at no point in the article does it prove that was the case???

Just because the owners said it wasn't a pitbull, doesn't mean it wasn't a pitbull. I could say I'm a fishfinger, but I am not in fact a fishfinger.

The fact that people in a country where pitbulls are legal wanted to adopt said dog seems to indicate that the dog was actually a pitbull after all.

Pitbulls are illegal in the UK. Ergo, law served. It's a bit like crossing the street on a red light, really...
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Jul 12 2012, 05:54 PM
Not the English! Us English are lazy bastards with religion.
Don't you chaps go to Henry VIII's Psychotic Bastard Religion?

Izzard = Awesom
Edited by Deadpool Psycko, Jul 12 2012, 06:12 PM.
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Jul 12 2012, 06:02 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 05:04 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/lennox-dog-put-sleep-belfast-145939624.html

I really hate people. Putting down a dog b/c it "LOOKS" like another breed of dog???
I really hate terrible journalism. Including a quote to justify your own journalistic opinion when at no point in the article does it prove that was the case???

Just because the owners said it wasn't a pitbull, doesn't mean it wasn't a pitbull. I could say I'm a fishfinger, but I am not in fact a fishfinger.

The fact that people in a country where pitbulls are legal wanted to adopt said dog seems to indicate that the dog was actually a pitbull after all.

Pitbulls are illegal in the UK. Ergo, law served. It's a bit like crossing the street on a red light, really...
If anything, I'm sickened by it b/c Pitbulls aren't a directly dangerous breed of dog. It's alll based on the environment and owners.

I've seen some vicious poodles, Shi-tzu's, bulldogs, shepards and so on but of course, you hear NOTHING about these stories.

I've actually always considered Dobermen, Rottweilers and Shepards to strike me as more dangerous. These are dogs people use to protect their junkyards.

But of course, it's ONE breed of dog. I take a quote from The Simpsons when Bart wanted an elephant.

"Well, animals are not unlike people, Mrs. Simpson. Some of them act badly because they've had a hard life, or have been mistreated...but, like people, some of them are just jerks. Stop that, Mr. Simpson."

I also note that I'm a full on animal lover. I'd be more inclined to save a drowning puppy than a person but that's me :bag:
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It's a bit like crossing the street on a red light, really...
ohshit... :bananas:
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I agree that it's sad that a dog died; especially since it almost certainly hadn't bit anyone and didn't deserve it whatsoever.

However, owning a pitbull is against the law here and that's just how it is. Marijuana is a great drug that has killed zero people and has almost only positive effects but it's illegal; if you choose to break that law, that's cool, but you have to accept the consequences should you be caught.

When I was like 18 I too thought that loads of people deserved to die for dumb stuff that doesn't matter. You have a racist opinion? YOU DESERVE TO DIE! You're pro-life? YOU DESERVE TO DIE! However, being so casual about human death changes when you lose someone close to you. After that, you realise the reality of it all.
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I wish pitbulls were illegal here, and I adore dogs! I don't hear any news stories about poodles or shepherds ripping some toddler's arm off. Seems to be always pitbulls. Hmm, coincidence??
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Jul 12 2012, 05:12 PM
I know too many people that turn into the most sensative sallies when it comes to religious discussion.
Perhaps it's not just because the other people are oversensitive; perhaps it's because you communicate intolerance of other people's views. Just a thought.
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Jul 12 2012, 07:05 PM
I agree that it's sad that a dog died; especially since it almost certainly hadn't bit anyone and didn't deserve it whatsoever.

However, owning a pitbull is against the law here and that's just how it is. Marijuana is a great drug that has killed zero people and has almost only positive effects but it's illegal; if you choose to break that law, that's cool, but you have to accept the consequences should you be caught.

When I was like 18 I too thought that loads of people deserved to die for dumb stuff that doesn't matter. You have a racist opinion? YOU DESERVE TO DIE! You're pro-life? YOU DESERVE TO DIE! However, being so casual about human death changes when you lose someone close to you. After that, you realise the reality of it all.
I accept responsibility for everything I do/say. Wouldn't give me the overall right to do/say anything and that's how I have looked at it.

I have lost some close people but I understand death is a part of life so I don't get all emotional. People might look at that as kind of messed up...but I'm not going to put on an act to "look like everyone else". I'm just a strong willed person. That's not saying it doesn't suck at all for everyone else. I don't look at people crying at a funeral and think "Oh, buck the fuck up". I'm full of sympathy and empathy.

Things in the media are where I tend to fly off the hinges and as I've said, I'm not necessarily proud of my humor but it's who I am.

The pot thing actually really pisses me off esp about how most people abhor and play it up as (my fav load of BS) "a Gateway Drug". That is horse shit. I've been smoking pot regularly for about over a decade and I have not had ONE iota of interest to "graduate". It has absolute ZERO physical addictive proporites.

Another great Leary Line - "They say marijuana leads to other drugs? No, it leads to fucking carpentry!!"

The worst it does is cause a slight thought delay...but it hasn't overall affected my ability to function. Hell, I want to be more ACTIVE after I smoke! But that's a back and forth argument. The reality is, is that pot was perfectly fine and legal before they started using Hemp as a source of rope. The government wasn't too keen on such a non-profit thing that BAM! Illegal.

And as you said - Not one death directly contributed to marijuana but alcohol and cigarettes? Kill hundreds DAILY and they sell like hot cakes. Go figure.
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Jul 12 2012, 07:19 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 05:12 PM
I know too many people that turn into the most sensative sallies when it comes to religious discussion.
Perhaps it's not just because the other people are oversensitive; perhaps it's because you communicate intolerance of other people's views. Just a thought.
Nope.

You've never debated with me over the subject. Saying I'm intolerant of their views is absolute horse hockey. Not believing and making fun of it isn't the same thing, buddy.

Intolerance would mean I want nothing to do with it and wouldn't even bother discussing it. I'm more than willing to listen and discuss the subject and have. The problem of the debate remaining on rails comes down to the involvement of Faith.

Blind faith isn't evidence and doesn't constitute "God exists" It's a 50/50 chance no matter how you slice it.

They say Thou Shall Not Tempt The Lord but I need to be able to see something before I can put faith in it. There's multiple religious beliefs out there - One is lying or they all are. It's that simple.

I have to go with the latter b/c almost EVERY religion can be traced back to Ancient Egypt - The virgin birth, savior of humanity, december 25th, lazarus rising from the dead, etc.


Greek Mythology was once heralded as a powerful and famous religion. How long until this happens to the current versions?


and to be clear, I certainly wasn't born all "Well screw this noise!" I'm VERY interested in spirituality and the likes. Greek Mythology is one of my favorite subjects. But I've been, as I say, Yo-Yo'd in and out of faith a couple times. I read a great book that scared me back INTO faith called A Divine Revelation of Hell by Mary K. Baxter. Inspiring but it literally beats the word Repent into you.

One of my biggest pet peeves is Not Listening. Hearing me and Listening are two different things. Most people never really ask me what my thoughts/feelings are on the subject. They just read the brunt of it and go "Oh, this dude hates so and so".

It doesn't hurt to ask about something. That's how you get results and answers.
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Jul 12 2012, 06:36 PM
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It's a bit like crossing the street on a red light, really...
ohshit... :bananas:
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Jul 12 2012, 07:19 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 05:12 PM
I know too many people that turn into the most sensative sallies when it comes to religious discussion.
Perhaps it's not just because the other people are oversensitive; perhaps it's because you communicate intolerance of other people's views. Just a thought.
Nope.

You've never debated with me over the subject. Saying I'm intolerant of their views is absolute horse hockey. Not believing and making fun of it isn't the same thing, buddy.

Intolerance would mean I want nothing to do with it and wouldn't even bother discussing it. I'm more than willing to listen and discuss the subject and have. The problem of the debate remaining on rails comes down to the involvement of Faith.

Blind faith isn't evidence and doesn't constitute "God exists" It's a 50/50 chance no matter how you slice it.

They say Thou Shall Not Tempt The Lord but I need to be able to see something before I can put faith in it. There's multiple religious beliefs out there - One is lying or they all are. It's that simple.

I have to go with the latter b/c almost EVERY religion can be traced back to Ancient Egypt - The virgin birth, savior of humanity, december 25th, lazarus rising from the dead, etc.


Greek Mythology was once heralded as a powerful and famous religion. How long until this happens to the current versions?


and to be clear, I certainly wasn't born all "Well screw this noise!" I'm VERY interested in spirituality and the likes. Greek Mythology is one of my favorite subjects. But I've been, as I say, Yo-Yo'd in and out of faith a couple times. I read a great book that scared me back INTO faith called A Divine Revelation of Hell by Mary K. Baxter. Inspiring but it literally beats the word Repent into you.

One of my biggest pet peeves is Not Listening. Hearing me and Listening are two different things. Most people never really ask me what my thoughts/feelings are on the subject. They just read the brunt of it and go "Oh, this dude hates so and so".

It doesn't hurt to ask about something. That's how you get results and answers.
I'm referring to a variety of posts and threads where you have taken very jaded shots at religion and made (it seems) blanket statements about any idiots who would believe such things, apparently lumping all people of faith into a guy with a "God hates fags" T-shirt.

Why would I want to find out more info about that? Why in the world would I want to try and have a discussion in that atmosphere? You take pride in "putting it all out there' and "taking responsibility" for what you do/say, so I'm just saying this is the effect your words have.

I have no real desire to debate my beliefs on a public forum like this (if we could sit down for coffee as friends, that might be a different story), but I just find it laughable and sharply ironic that you make regular claims about the intolerance of religious fanatics when the vast majority of "intolerant speech" that has ever been voiced on this site has come from you. I was just trying to point out the irony, not trying to challenge your beliefs, which of course you are free to have. But don't just assume you know "everything there is to know" about people of faith just because you've seen a few nutjobs on the news. As a person of faith, I would take the "God hates fags" guy to task even more sharply than you would.
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Fair enough but still, you're mixing my, let's say jaded opinion with my intolerances. Again, I speak against it and how it's laughable but I NEVER say they SHOULDN'T. But Yes, I can be a bit aggressive with it but...Go Big or Go Home.

I respect your opinion on me though. You're a very cool dude in acceptance and such. I'd say I'm the same just a bit more outspoken with my opinions. They're just strong, not enforced. I'm glad you question me though. THAT'S how you learn about me. You only encounter my true rage filled posts if you just stick your nose in and thumbs up the opposer or something w/o getting a real take on What's Going On. Assuming. I HATE assuming!

And it's not about just my disagreement. I WAS faithful (not strict) but I've done my research is all. Shit dude, Ask me things about me that pop in your head. Just as much about my writing, I'm very open to criticism. It isn't my intention to piss off everyone I come into contact with but if something rubs you wrong and you don't understand it - Ask. People act like I'm going to bite their head off due to my posts.

That saddens me.


Also - I DON'T know everything. That's my whole platform vs. the relgious. I like to learn things outside of a 2000 year old book. My sole interest in other religions, just to see what they're about, has been met with very hostile replies and remarks from most groups. You should've heard this christian woman go off on me b/c I read some of the Quran. I was immediately deemed "against the christian God." I'm met with a LOT of unrelented stuff like that, so I hope that explains my degree of arguments more :doh:
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Lumping all people into the same bucket is unfair, and dangerous. Only sociopaths deal in absolutes. The world is much more gray. I find that practice of doing that, and relying on stereotypes, are a convenient tool for those that are too lazy to form an opinion for themselves or are incapable of looking at each person as a true individual. It's human nature. People love labels. It's far to easy to label something and be dismissive, then to really analyze something and form an educated opinion.
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Sometimes it is necessary to have labels. War for example.
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Jul 12 2012, 09:10 PM
Lumping all people into the same bucket is unfair, and dangerous. Only sociopaths deal in absolutes. The world is much more gray. I find that practice of doing that, and relying on stereotypes, are a convenient tool for those that are too lazy to form an opinion for themselves or are incapable of looking at each person as a true individual. It's human nature. People love labels. It's far to easy to label something and be dismissive, then to really analyze something and form an educated opinion.
I don't though. I tend to find the separations. My main target of debate are the fanatics. Those who do church alllll week and preach it as well.
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Scott... It's gonna get weird, real fucking weird.

I'm going to drive the few hours to meet you in person. We'll sit down over a cup of Joe - I'm a Quad Shot Nonfat Latte guy. As someone raised in a Southern Baptist household, who holds a vastly different perspective now, it'd be badass to have a civil conversation.

I don't get it often. I am usually confronted with fire and brimstone and the threats that I'll burn in something called hell. Not sure what that is, but something called "Eternal Damnation" because I like porn is scary :X
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Me and AJJ would probably get along just fine :cheer:
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Lumping all people into the same bucket is unfair, and dangerous. Only sociopaths deal in absolutes.
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Whoa that just blew my mind...
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My statement wasn't directed at anyone, just a general statement. We, as a people, love to put labels on things, and put things into categories. We're little organizers. We have a hard time with anything that isn't clearly defined. The thought of chaos and disorder are difficult for us to grasp as a society. Hence, we organize. But sometimes there is no reason for certain things. They just are. Random things do occur, with out an reason behind it. It just simply is random. There simply is no reason sometimes.

That's my only point. Labeling alleviates responsibility by the individual from having to look any further. I've tagged this. I know what it is, I can assume I understand it completely. In my experiences, this is often not the case. Somethings have to be examined as a case per case basis. Yes, extremists and the like are an exception, but we can't judge the whole by the acts of the few.

For instance, there are many outside our country (USA) that view us as religious extremists. And that is not an exaggeration. We make policy based on our religious faith, whereas in other countries that is taboo. There are some countries were discussing your religion publicly is a sure fire way to get blackballed and outcast from politics as a whole. They watch our politics with great interest because their separation of church and state is much greater than ours. While I don't entirely agree, I do see their point.
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