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Controversial Jargon; Keep It Civil Please.
Topic Started: May 10 2012, 07:42 PM (995 Views)
Deadpool Psycko
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SgtMaj AJJ
Jul 20 2012, 01:35 PM
"It's a Dark Knight across America" :/

The EA link highlights their stance against the Defense of Marriage Act or DOMA. DOMA's dumba.
DAMN YOU SCRUFF!!! :faint: Well, damn me actually :wall:

Too many double negatives in that sentence

I can't see the link so unless I read AJJ's post wrong, it looks like it says EA announces they're against the support of DOMA.


Misread on my part. Just Googled and it seems EA gets an apology from me haha.



I can somewhat see where AJJ is coming from though being would you say you're going to a Black Wedding? An American Wedding?

A wedding isn't really defined by WHO is getting married but that two people are putting a big ceremony together to say "We live together exclusively"

That's all it's ever seemed to me...
Edited by Deadpool Psycko, Jul 20 2012, 05:08 PM.
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OK, let's talk about the legality of marriage then. I think marriage is a great thing and marriage should definitely be legal and I see no reason why the Church are so upset about marriage.

This is a great conversation.
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I don't think it should even be an "event". Two people can't just live together and love each other??
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Jul 20 2012, 05:01 PM
Also, I don't think the term "gay marriage" is offensive when that's the issue being spoken about. Maybe when it's a legal thing, people can say "I'm going to a wedding" rather than "I'm going to a gay wedding", but it's a bit hard to talk about the legality of gay marriage if you can't say the words "gay" and "marriage" together.
MEH splitting hairs. It's a general observation of offensive language used, not a petition to get all of the world to immediately refer to Marriage as just that, Marriage, without any sexual preference or race based adjective applied.

I will still be using it when I discuss the topic of Marriage and how it relates to the suppression of the rights of an entire group of people.

The broader point between the lines, is that it used to be illegal for Whites to marry Blacks until 1967. It used to be referred to as Interracial Marriage. It is no longer called Interracial Marriage. 'Coz to call it that now, is fucking ignorant. Soon enough "Gay Marriage" will be just as ignorant.

Yes, we're evolving, just not seeing fast enough societal evolution.
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True dat, but you have to acknowledge the thing that you're talking about. The issue being discussed is "should gay people be legally allowed to marry" and the only way to discuss that is refer to it as "gay marriage". If the issue was "two dudes are getting married!" then that could be referred to as "wedding". For example, talking about the issue of racism doesn't make you a racist.
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Yes. Maybe look at it like I'm a futurist and that message was from the future.

I totally agree that it must be used until its accepted and woven into the fabric of day to day life. =>
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This is one of my biggest gripes with Religion. Christianity/Catholicism has in fact admitted that the advancement of the human race is "moving too fast".

According to who??? Do these people not understand the idea of Free Will?

That's my whole stance on being Agnostic. I can't understand the idea of God b/c people overanalyze who/what He is and what His intentions, loves, hates, etc are where they have NO direct or official evidence.

When I think of God, I think of him as more of a scientist than "Our Father". We're his experiment and that's as far as I'll devour it without evidence.

God is the representation unconditional love. But he hates fags. Totally logical! :wall:

There are areas that just overly contradict themselves when it comes to things like gay marriage and the church.

I dare not even get into the discussion of pedophelia. If that isn't the biggest contradictive blunder in the idea of The Church then I don't know what is.
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Jul 20 2012, 05:27 PM
True dat, but you have to acknowledge the thing that you're talking about. The issue being discussed is "should gay people be legally allowed to marry" and the only way to discuss that is refer to it as "gay marriage". If the issue was "two dudes are getting married!" then that could be referred to as "wedding". For example, talking about the issue of racism doesn't make you a racist.
I've gotten into big tiffs about that AND made the person feel like an ignorant asshole.

The big key about separating Stereotypes and Racism is really simple.

Stereotypes are more or less untrue "commonalities" in cultures/races/etc.

Racism is the pure abhoration and hatred of a distinct group.



I had to explain to a coworker that she was very much out of place calling me a racist b/c I made fun of an indian dude in the office. With most cultures, language/accent, food choices, clothing...is just funny or comical. That in no way shape or form instills hatred.

I will NEVER hate/judge a person based on their culture/race/nationality/sexual preference/gender/religion/etc.

I will make my opinions and reservations but I'll never condemn their existance.
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I dunno. I think laughing at someone because you find their accent funny is pretty racist.
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How in the world does that make sense???


Something sounds funny, you laugh.

There's absolutely nothing hateful about it. Please, explain.
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Laughing at someone because of their accent is in fact, not cool.

My wife has a Southern accent. I've been in this state long enough to have lost a lot of my NE MD nasal accent, replaced with a generic accent, with hints of the south. I tell you what, you laugh at my wife simply because of how it sounds when she talks? I will cut you. Well not really, but I will convey how rude and inconsiderate it is to do such a thing.

When she tells a joke, usually the accent adds to the hilarity. Perhaps a "gray" area there. Pointing and laughing at someone because they don't talk like you, eat the same foods, pray the same or not, etc. that's a no-no.

My son used to join me online, on the rare occasion. He mocked Yellow once. He'll never make fun of an accent again.

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Well firstly I think you exaggerated my notion and secondly I don't think it instills hatred or is honestly offensive unless you're pointing in that persons face and laughing that it's "stupid", then I agree.

I admit I for the most part cannot understand the british accent or even truly determine the depicition between the Norhterners and Southerners. Sometimes it just sounds like a garbled mess. Does that make me racist? - I should clarify that it is also among my favorite sounding accents regardless of my inability to decipher it :S

When I say laugh, again, it's not like i mentioned above. On the whole (giggidy), I happen to LOVE most accents to the point of replicating them, being I love doing voices.


Semi-related - You ever just have something make you giggle/laugh for absolutely NO reason, whatsoever? That's kind of what I mean. It's little things I tend to find humor in.
Edited by Deadpool Psycko, Jul 20 2012, 07:13 PM.
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Here's something strange. Consider the overused question of, "If you had a superpower, what would it be?" Almost always I answer with, "the ability to speak all languages, past and present, all the dialects within the language and all the accents that arise from intermingling the languages (ie. French speaking English, Malaysian speaking Dutch, South African speaking Latin)" At which point they go, "ohhh" and say "I would to fly."
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Jul 20 2012, 07:15 PM
Here's something strange. Consider the overused question of, "If you had a superpower, what would it be?" Almost always I answer with, "the ability to speak all languages, past and present, all the dialects within the language and all the accents that arise from intermingling the languages (ie. French speaking English, Malaysian speaking Dutch, South African speaking Latin)" At which point they go, "ohhh" and say "I would to fly."
Interesting indeed


I'd go with phasing through solid objects or line of sight teleportation.
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I get what you're saying Floid. I was just putting the accent laughing into context. :)
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Weapon ownership, go.
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Deadpool Psycko
Jul 20 2012, 07:07 PM
Semi-related - You ever just have something make you giggle/laugh for absolutely NO reason, whatsoever? That's kind of what I mean. It's little things I tend to find humor in.
I realize I'm misinterpreting this, but I also think it adds to the conversation: the use of the word "retard".

I sympathize with those who have mental disabilities. A friend of mine babysits a child with Down Syndrome, and I have a cousin who was born with it. However, I still use the word. It's not like praise its use and feel that "everyone should use it", as I know that there are better terms out there that can describe a situation. I don't think it's the word that's the problem, but rather the feelings that are attached to it. Along with the evolution of society, words also evolve. The use of "gay", "queer", and even "nigger" have multiple uses: insulting, derogatory, and even friendly in different contexts.

Just a thought that randomly popped in my head when I read that :)

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Weapon ownership, go.

I own a 30-06 rifle and a 9mm handgun. So, obviously, I'm inclined to say that "gun ownership is okay". However, I feel that there is a time and place where having a gun would not really seem appropriate. It's defining that "time and place" as well as "appropriate" that I struggle with in my mind. I can understand not wanting guns in places such as airports, because not everyone would feel comfortable flying with a guy, who isn't law enforcement, but has a pistol strapped to his side.

I don't think the owning of firearms should be completely outlawed. I feel that those who have the intentions of committing a murder are not going to find a firearm ban a deterrent to committing a crime. And I feel that the banning of firearms simply disarms those who the law is meaning to protect.
Edited by crazybydefault, Jul 20 2012, 10:49 PM.
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You guys are accustomed to gun ownership. We are most definitely not. It's another cultural thing, I guess. Still, I've yet to hear a compelling pro-gun argument other than "but how will I defend myself against the other people who have guns?"

Their only purpose is to kill things. Which I find a little weird and scary. But as I said.. we don't have guns here.
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Ok guys, normally I wouldn't get drawn into this conversation, but here is my Yellow-length epic essay. However, since i read everyone's post in this thread in their entirety I hope you will grant me the same courtesty. I was raised by my parents to say what is on my mind, but I was also taught to be polite and let some things go as is customary in the south. Especially in the light of pure ignorance on the matters at hand, but I feel I need to weigh in here in this conversation, at least as long as it remains a conversation.

Scruff 815
Jul 12 2012, 05:54 PM
Not the English! Us English are lazy bastards with religion.


Let's start off with a little bit of humor shall we?
@Scruff - your comment here made me remember this.... (also.... teach me how to embed youtube videos sometime please?)
Cake or Death?
Eddie Izzard ... yet another person I really like from the UK. :lol:

Also, on the weapon issue:
I received my first "gun" at age 4 (my brother got his at age 2). It was a BB gun, but it could do some damage if used incorrectly. We start teaching gun safety when you are young around here. We do not tolerate people who incorrectly or unsafely handle guns. It's just too easy to kill/maim someone if you don't. (I actually beat up my cousin, a city boy who never used a gun before) at my parent's house because he pointed a BB gun at me. If you can't use a BB gun correctly at my house, there is NO WAY I'm letting you shoot our shotgun, pistol, or rifles (of which there are many).

I've never killed or shot at anything alive, but my family did teach me how to hunt and you can always find anything we have killed in our deep freeze (or in our deer chili that we make every winter... YUM! :cloud9: ) That being said, if I ever had to provide for my family I have that skill set. (Plus I know how to fish! :D )

I also have archery experience, know how to fight using two-stick method, knife fight, fencing (including how to use a medieval broadsword and katana), and basic defense as my father works in a prison most of my life and taught me all the moves he's learned over the years. (Almost hurt Josh when I first met him in Austin as he thought it would be funny to sneak up and grab me from behind as I was crossing a street in Austin near the stadium in the middle of the day. :ermm: ) I'm sure there is more that I know how to use/have used, but that is all I can think of off the top of my head.


Deadpool Psycko
Jul 12 2012, 07:56 PM

The pot thing actually really pisses me off esp about how most people abhor and play it up as (my fav load of BS) "a Gateway Drug". That is horse shit. I've been smoking pot regularly for about over a decade and I have not had ONE iota of interest to "graduate". It has absolute ZERO physical addictive proporites.

The worst it does is cause a slight thought delay...but it hasn't overall affected my ability to function.

And as you said - Not one death directly contributed to marijuana but alcohol and cigarettes? Kill hundreds DAILY and they sell like hot cakes. Go figure.


Actually.... you are contradicting yourself here.
You say it has ZERO addictive properties... so why have you been smoking it regularly for over a decade? Go without it for a year and I'll retract this statement.

You say it only causes a slight thought delay... you are wrong there too.

As a Registered Nurse with a four year degree and a 4.0 GPA at UT Austin I can tell you from experience that it causes much more harm than that.
That is from my opinion and personal experience, but you probably want evidence so here is some evidence for you to read over so you can be more educated on the matter.
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FROM WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION: "Cannabis impairs cognitive development (capabilities of learning), including associative processes; free recall of previously learned items is often impaired when cannabi is used both during learning and recall periods;
Cannabis impairs psychomotor performance in a wide variety of tasks, such as motor coordination, divided attention, and operative tasks of many types; human performance on complex machinery can be impaired for as long as 24 hours after smoking as little as 20 mg of THC in cannabis; there is an increased risk of motor vehicle accidents among persons who drive when intoxicated by cannabis.
Chronic health effects of cannabis use (like if you've been smoking it for about a decade...)
**selective impairment of cognitive functioning which include the organization and integration of complex information involving various mechanisms of attention and memory processes;
**prolonged use may lead to greater impairment, which may not recover with cessation of use, and which could affect daily life functions;
**development of a cannabis dependence syndrome characterized by a loss of control over cannabis use is likely in chronic users;
**cannabis use can exacerbate schizophrenia in affected individuals;
epithetial injury of the trachea and major bronchi is caused by long-term cannabis smoking;
**airway injury, lung inflammation, and impaired pulmonary defence against infection from persistent cannabis consumption over prolonged periods;
heavy cannabis consumption is associated with a higher prevalence of symptoms of chronic bronchitis and a higher incidence of acute bronchitis than in the non-smoking cohort;
**cannabis used during pregnancy is associated with impairment in fetal development leading to a reduction in birth weight;
**cannabis use during pregnancy may lead to postnatal risk of rare forms of cancer although more research is needed in this area.

The World Health Organization (WHO)

From the American Council for Drug Education:
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"marijuana limits the capacity to absorb and retain information."
"found that users fall short on memory as well as math and verbal skills."
"Chronic marijuana smokers are prey to chest colds, bronchitis, emphysema, and bronchial asthma. Persistent use will damage lungs and airways and raise the risk of cancer. There is just as much exposure to cancer-causing chemicals from smoking one marijuana joint as smoking five tobacco cigarettes. And there is evidence that marijuana may limit the ability of the immune system to fight infection and disease."
"Marijuana also affects hormones. Regular use can delay the onset of puberty in young men and reduce sperm production."
"Impaired perception
Diminished short-term memory
Loss of concentration and coordination
Impaired judgement
Increased risk of accidents Loss of motivation
Diminished inhibitions
Increased heart rate
Anxiety, panic attacks, and paranoia
Hallucinations
Damage to the respiratory, reproductive, and immune systems
Increased risk of cancer
Psychological dependency"

Reference: The American Council for Drug Education (ACDE)

If you read the quote from the WHO you will see that yes, there are not DIRECTLY related deaths to cannabis use, but as you can see from the side effects the use of cannibis is the reason for many deaths due to impaired judgment and use of machinery etc. It's just that the cause of death will be listed under "motor vehicle accident" instead of what caused the accident in the first place.[/color]

Deadpool Psycko
Jul 12 2012, 08:02 PM

Blind faith isn't evidence and doesn't constitute "God exists" It's a 50/50 chance no matter how you slice it.

They say Thou Shall Not Tempt The Lord but I need to be able to see something before I can put faith in it. There's multiple religious beliefs out there - One is lying or they all are. It's that simple.

I have to go with the latter b/c almost EVERY religion can be traced back to Ancient Egypt - The virgin birth, savior of humanity, december 25th, lazarus rising from the dead, etc.

You say faith isn't evidence and I would agree with that, but then you go and say "I need to be able to see something before I can put faith in it." I think you are missing the point of what faith is. It is believing in something with little to no evidence for it. I can't see the wind, but I know it's there kinda thing because I see the effects it has on the physical world.

There are many religious beliefs out there, but that doesn't mean that one or all of them are lying. It's NOT that simple at all. It's very very complicated.

I'll give two examples of why it has become so complicated:
1) Say there is a bank robbery and tons of witnesses to what happened. They all saw the same thing. But because people have their own perspectives, you can often find that their descriptions of what happened vary greatly. It is the same thing with religions. Each one is a different "perspective" on something real.

2) Have you ever played that game where you make a long line of people and start at one end. The person on that end says something to the person next to them and that person says what they heard to the person next to them and so on and so on until you get to the end. The reason this is such a fun game is that by the time the message gets to the end of the line it usually does not have anything to do with what was originally said. It's the same thing with religion, after you tell the same thing over and over again for a few thousand years, things will obviously be told a bit differently in some groups.

I want to point out that I do not consider myself religious. I have my own beliefs about what is real and what isn't and I'm NOT going to discuss them with you as they are deeply personal and I don't know you that well yet. That being said I will say that I do believe there is a God. I also do not think religion and science are exclusive.

That being said, I've been amazed since I started researching different religions all over the world in the ancient past and present and have found amazing similarities between them all. There are links between every major religion around the world and so I believe that they are all trying to say the same thing, but because we are fallable and human those things have gotten skewed as the years have passed and people have moved to different regions of the world.

Also, about making fun of the Indian guy's accent. As a girl with a very thick country accent, lots of friends in the UK with very thick accents (of which I LOVE trying to decipher as I'm just not used to hearing it. :love: I LOVE accents!), not to mention that Yellow (who is one of me and Josh's favorite people here) is Indian, and the fact that I have other friends who are minorities (even though I'm quickly becoming a minority over here in America according to statistics), I just don't see how you could be mean enough to make fun of that guy that way.

You said yourself that you are a fan of the underdog... well you made fun of the underdog here. Not cool at all in my book. It's just intolerant behavior on your part for anything different than yourself. IMHO it's hypocritical.

Now, Deadpool you said that you hate when people don't really LISTEN. I'm wondering... are you a big enough person to admit you are wrong at least on the cannibis issue and the intolerance of others issue as I know that we will probably never come to any sort of agreement on religion as it is too big of an issue?


Now... l'm going to go watch an Executive Transvestite Comedian... (Yay Eddie Izzard!) :yay:
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