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| Braythor | Jun 12 2012, 06:38 PM Post #1 |
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There's been a lot of uproar about online piracy recenty, with SOPA in the US and courts in the UK ordering ISPs to block access to the Pirate Bay Thought I'd start up a thread to see what you guys (and gals) think of the issue of piracy. Do you think it's destroying creative media? Or do you think all forms of art should be free? Or do you have other thoughts?Personally, I have a fairly specific approach to it. I regularly download films, simply because I find all too often that they are not even worth my time, never mind my time AND an extortionate amount of money to go see. Plus I don't really like cinemas, but that's not a main point. And if I like something enough, I'll buy a copy of it. I also download a lot of TV shows. This is only because I outright refuse to pay stupid sums of money to that c**t Murdoch, or to Virgin etc, just to watch a couple of hours of TV a week. I also disagree strongly with paying for something that is 25% adverts. As with films, I'll buy TV shows I like when they comes out (or at least I fully intend to as soon as I've got me a blu-ray player, which hopefully will be very soon - I've a long list of boxsets to buy). Music: I download stuff to try out and if I like it I go straight to Amazon and buy it. Video games I never have and never will pirate, simply because out of all forms of entertainment, they provide the best value for money, and as long as I do a bit of research first, I'm always pretty much guaranteed to receive a product that is well worth every penny. In short, I believe that the internet has allowed a lot of people to determine the value of products for themselves instead of it being dictated by studios/publishers etc, and this is why piracy exists. Or at least it should be. I disagree with pirating stuff just because it's a way of getting what you want for free, but I don't think we should be told what something is worth by the people that want to profit from it and who refuse us access to it unless we pay that amount. |
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| Deadpool Psycko | Jun 12 2012, 06:57 PM Post #2 |
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There are things I don't mind paying top dollar for and there are things that I KNOW I shouldn't be paying past the bare minimum for. If I support something and it's progression, I'll gladly pay to support it as well. Otherwise, I will attempt to get my hands on it for as cheap or free as possible. Albeit, this is a rare occasion. I much prefer owning the actual property and physical value of whatever I'm paying for but I don't like the idea that most of the time, you're literally paying more for the brand name instead of the physical product. That is something I'm basically against and if I can avoid it, I will and will advocate others to as well. |
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| porottaja | Jun 12 2012, 07:09 PM Post #3 |
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Yarrr... I don't pirate anything. |
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| SgtMaj AJJ | Jun 12 2012, 08:26 PM Post #4 |
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Hi, my name is AJ and I'm a recovering pirate. I pirate nothing. I used to pirate a lot. I won't get into the specifics. It would take on the color Yellow in size, and maybe a few yawns. Or black SUVs at the front door, I'm not sure. I understand all sides of the piracy argument. I firmly believe that until corporations deliver media in a way that the end user can consume however they want, piracy will be a high percentage of internet traffic. However, I'm not one to readily believe any of the numbers around "impact to industry" be it RIAA or MPAA numbers. I don't know any Studio Execs, but if I did, I doubt they'd be hurting for cash. Example: DRM + AAC/MP3 - until a few years ago, Apple had DRM on every damn track. Now it's DRM free and my 15K+ music collection can be managed in iTunes for all my Apple devices, but I can also simultaneously replicate that library in the Google cloud. I can download the library, in its entirety, to another device. I can effectively consume that media (music) any number of ways. So I now pay for Music Match through Apple, to keep my library in their cloud. I pay for Spotify as my "preview", and then finalize the purchase in iTunes, Beatport, or another outlet. If the media wasn't easier to consume, I'd either pirate the shit out of it, or I wouldn't be investing what I do today. The company (Apple and record company license holders) gets my money to maintain a "free" library and to consume the content. They've been successful as I've been given more freedom as a consumer. |
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| Deadpool Psycko | Jun 12 2012, 08:32 PM Post #5 |
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| Scruff 815 | Jun 12 2012, 08:43 PM Post #6 |
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The irony that the picture says "HOSTED BY TRIPOD" is making my brain hurt. |
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| Deadpool Psycko | Jun 12 2012, 08:59 PM Post #7 |
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That's how I roll, dawg |
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| ASLANS R0AR | Jun 12 2012, 09:24 PM Post #8 |
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Don't pirate music or anything else; have quite a few independent musician friends who have some strong opinions on the subject too. I'm mostly indifferent, but it seems pretty clearly to be another form of theft, though more easily rationalized because it is "invisible" and the blindness of the big corporations makes it tempting. Downloading stuff that you don't pay for isn't much different than shoplifting. If you disagree with the price, don't buy it.
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| Deadpool Psycko | Jun 12 2012, 10:03 PM Post #9 |
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It's a sketchy path with me. I'm quite the honorable/moral/ethical person...but then there's obvious "We can screw you b/c we can" things that just get to me. |
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| CallUpChuck | Jun 13 2012, 07:18 AM Post #10 |
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When I became first interested in music and I wanted to own it, Napster was the big illegal software. Having a poor internet connection back then meant I was happy to get a free 0:40 of The Real Slim Shady. I was listening to Eminem and Dre in 4th grade. Then the software in use jumped to limewire and then torrent sites. I grew up with not much guilt in stealing music. To this day, I do not feel that bad if I got a ripped version of an album/movie/show/game. It is fair for artists to demand pay per listen because it was their work. I'm not trying to be a liberal and "occupy" the record companies, but big musicians have many forms of income; some even see record sales as a small percentage. However for smaller musicians, selling is vital and that's why I always support smaller and/or local musicians that I like. There are a couple of DJs and rappers from Seattle that I really enjoy (Dyme Def, Macklemore, Blue Scholars, Sol). I have a music library of around 53K and not all of it is purchased. Same goes for movies and television. Usually when I get a movie, it's long after the DVD release, which means the movie studio and everyone involved have already made the majority of their money. But who am I to say they shouldn't make any more? Television is a little different. Without immediate viewership, the likelihood of the show continuing lessens. Who cares if you got Season 1 for free, that's all you're going to get because you didn't have cable and tuned in! |
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| Scruff 815 | Jun 13 2012, 05:25 PM Post #11 |
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![]() Does piracy negatively affect the industry concerned? Absolutely. Is it sometimes just more convenient to pirate stuff? Yes indeedie. Much like my views on drugs, prostitution, food and various other issues, I find that your own moral compass is much more important than following the letter of the law. To break this up easily: Music - without a doubt, you should support ANY artist that you enjoy, by buying their music. However, if I hear a recommendation, or am going to see a band and want to know what the support artists are like, I will immediately hit up my torrent site of choice. It's just a quicker, easier way of doing what I would've done before - which was finding friends with CDs of those artists, or trawling through radio stations. Saying that, a friend of mine has bought about 10 CDs in his life but has 10,000 albums on his hard drive; most of which are tiny, tiny bands that no-one likes. And then he's surprised when those bands split up... TV - as Chuck said, if the networks don't get the viewership, they're going to cancel that show. Particularly with anything American, where viewing figures are king. But again, I'm not past downloading a TV show if it's not on my TV schedule / is old / the recording on an episode fucked up. Really the "25% adverts" thing isn't an issue because anyone paying for their TV has a hard drive and just fast-forwards the adverts anyway. Films - I don't do it just because I can't stand watching something on my computer screen when I've got a perfectly good 42" HDTV in the room, and download quality is never as good as the 'real' thing. I don't think it's as much of an issue with films to be honest - although a few people here may pirate the fuck out of the cinema industry, 99% of the world aren't computer nerds and will just buy the DVD. (side note: I will be pirating Human Centipede 2 because the BBFC have cut it and left me no choice but to steal an uncut version) Games - bad bad bad. Not only does it require considerably more work to pirate a game (hacked consoles etc), it absolutely hurts the industry. Look at the Amiga. ALL OF THIS SAID... Piracy is a thing. It's always going to be a thing. Shutting down The Pirate Bay did absolutely nothing because 16 other sites popped up in its place. Industries have to evolve to counteract it; musicians now make most of their money from merchandise and gig tickets (both of which now cost more, thank you pirates), TV companies make a lot of their stuff free-streaming (with advertising, of course) to save people the bother of downloading, and games are moving more and more into DLC which also has the added benefit of hurting the pre-owned market. The only thing that really pisses me off is when people act like it's their God-given right to pirate stuff. It is, without a doubt, theft. Very, very easy to get away with, yes, but theft nonetheless. Much like smoking weed or banging hookers, you are running the risk of being caught. And if you're OK with that, then that's fine. But no-one has the right to steal stuff. |
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| Deadpool Psycko | Jun 13 2012, 05:28 PM Post #12 |
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The one thing I don't support anymore is Cinema. It's an overpriced waste of money nowadays. I can't remember the last movie I actually said I was going to see on the day and went. I even lulled for Avengers and that was worth more than admission. Then again, I tend to not overly bitch when I don't "pay" taxes out of my check. The government just jacks me for my hard earned money, of which I should be given the freedom to pay on my own, and I'm supposed to accept it. Well, if a snazzy "unpriced" DVD happens to land in my lap, that's the way the song goes... |
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| Deadpool Psycko | Jun 13 2012, 05:30 PM Post #13 |
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The most disappointing and disheartening thing about your last post, Scruff, is your actual INTENTION to watch Human Centipede 2. I would rather dig my tonsils out with a jizz-laden spork. I would only "pirate" something if it just didn't seem worth it or I knew I wasn't going to utilize it long term. I actually have a pretty big conscience for all my semi-depraved ways. So it has to be pretty much the end of the rope for me to actively pirate. Edited by Deadpool Psycko, Jun 13 2012, 05:32 PM.
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| Scruff 815 | Jun 13 2012, 06:12 PM Post #14 |
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The first Human Centipede got a LOT of shit from the mainstream press for being silly, but it's actually a very well-constructed (and mostly gore-free) psychological horror film. It just got more attention than millions of other cheap horror films because of the premise. And the dude that played Dr. Heiter was amazing. I've heard bad things about HC2 but I enjoyed the first one so... |
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| Braythor | Jun 13 2012, 06:22 PM Post #15 |
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No Scruff, it really, REALLY isn't. I can't even begin to describe how utterly shit that film is, but it certainly does not deserve a sequel. Opinion of your taste in things = lessened
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| Scruff 815 | Jun 13 2012, 06:30 PM Post #16 |
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You're not a horror fan. Horror is a niche market and us horror fans look for different things in a horror movie. The Human Centipede cannot be compared to Scarface, say. It can only be compared to other horror films. It's fine, I don't expect anyone to share my taste in films. Not everyone can be this awesome. |
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| Deadpool Psycko | Jun 13 2012, 06:52 PM Post #17 |
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I would give that argument some credit if it wasn't just an incredibly sick idea. Let alone, making a sequel in the light of "a fan INSPIRED by the first film" is just sad on many levels for me. I'm iffy when it comes to "Horror" though. There's Horror and there's Torture Porn. HC falls right into the TP Pit. |
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| SgtMaj AJJ | Jun 13 2012, 07:22 PM Post #18 |
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No. Torture Porn is a sub-genre of Horror, with TP a recent description for old school "Splatter" or gore flick, both of which are Horror's sub-genre better looking Sisters. You calling it TP (wipe that shit up with your TP) is calling it horror. That's like calling it a "PIN NUMBER", the N in PIN IS NUMBER. Personal Identification Number NUMBER -- gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrllllllllllllll here's some tp for those tears. OT - good to see everyone's unique perspective on theft of intelectual property. I find it interesting how diverse yet eerily similiar the core stance shapes up, when you get down to it. |
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| Deadpool Psycko | Jun 13 2012, 07:36 PM Post #19 |
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Fair assessment. It's like how I differentiate Dead Space 1 and 2. One was full of narrow corridors, lots of flickering/dim lights and a bunch of great scare tactics. That was terrifying! The second game certainly couldn't strike lightning twice, as well as within a year. The second game took a nice turn for disturbing in lieu of flat out terror. So I can agree with your opinion but they are still two different animals, so-to-speak. Like a dolphin and a Minnow. Both swim/live in the water but one's a fish and one's a mammal. Yet most people STILL call dolphins and such "Fish" by default. |
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| Braythor | Jun 13 2012, 09:30 PM Post #20 |
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Maybe we should have a separate horror thread... I like horror. I do, honestly... I'm not a fanatic but I am a fan (that one's for you, AJJ )I am however, very pleased to see such thoughtful responses to the original post. I may not agree with everything said, but once again the way everyone has posted has shown that we are THE best community on the web.
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