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Topic Started: Dec 29 2008, 12:59 PM (1,041 Views)
MaxJ
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England resigned from their fight against the Nazis?

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Russia would have been destroyed. North Africa and the Middle East would have fallen. Spain would have likely joined Germany. The Turks would have joined the Axis and advanced against Russia for the K.O. blow. Essentially the world would have fallen to Hitler.

Now, I'll explain how all this happens.

With Britain out, All available forces are devoted to Russia meaning hundreds of planes, AA/T, men, and the rest of the tools of wars. Not to mention the factories and yards would have been left alone. Then, The naval forces would be able to go to Russia and possibly help Japan. Also, Remaining forces would have been given to Rommel in North Africa meaning the conquest of Egypt and her oilfields giving a much needed boost. Then hundreds of ships would have survived in the Med. Sea for more help on the oceans.

As Rommel progressed Iraq would join there side. Then Turkey would join in, This goes back to Germans having been asking Turkey for awhile for help against Russia. They gave them training and weapons and such. Thus, A Southern Fatal Blow into the Russian oil fields would have happened.

After Russia is quelled forces would be diverted to fight the Americans. Essentially what would have happened would be failure at Op: Torch a destruction of its naval fleets. Than, As German pre-war build up plans progressed the German long range bomber would have been built along with Carriers and hundreds of support boats.

And basically the world falls to Hitler.
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Rommel would have tried to kill Hitler and then commit suicide.
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Are you referring to Vallkyrie? and his subsequent suicide.
The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition.

Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

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heh I saw that movie last saturday.
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I don't mean to sound arrogant, but...America still would've won.
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No, They wouldn't have there inferiority outweighed there strengths.

Explain to me how.
The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition.

Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

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TEH ATOMIC BOMB!
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Hitler was developing heavy water for such a purpose and the Japanese would have most likely developed one. They had considered it previous to the US but didn't like it.

Also, This Atomic Bomb would have to be able to penetrate Axis airspace. We are talking thousands of AA guns and jet fighters. Not to mention the Axis control of the Atlantic.
The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition.

Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

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hmm I still think the US could have won. Not to mention lets leave Japan out of this seeing as we whooped their asses with barely any other peoples help.
Anyways the US air force had enough forces to take out AA guns not to mention ground forces of canadians, americans, french, and russian troops.
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I doubt it 100%.

If the Brits pulled out, so much German equipment, infrastructure, and men would have been saved and redistributed.

How do you suppose that the USAF gets to Germany. Now that GB is out they long-range/strategic bombers not only don't have a launch point they don't have air cover. They also don't have British radar installations helping. American Bombers would be slaughtered without fighter support.

It is possible to have a Carrier come into the Pacific, but then again the Pacific would have been swarming with wolf packs and Battleships.

There wouldn't be any launching out of Western Africa as Das Afrikakorps would have destroyed OP: Torch. (If it even happened)

The Japanese would have actually taken a different course. Think about it without British support that takes out the Commonwealth. Meaning Southeast Asia would have been taken immediately and forces would have been redistributed to the islands. So then we have even more men, weapons, ships, and planes in the east to fight off the Americans. Maybe even an invasion of Alaska.

The Americans only had the Canadians really. The French? What French?!!? The resistance would have been crushed now that they aren't receiving airdrops of weapons and supplies.

The Russians wouldn't have resisted the additional German Reinforcements. Were talking over a million more men. Thousands upon thousands of planes, tanks, AA/T guns and etc. Not to mention the extreme likeliness of a Turkish attack.
The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition.

Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

AWESOME HITCH (CLICKY)
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Look at it this way:

Don't you think Canada (which had one of the strongest/largest armies at the time, or so I'm told), the USA, and the USSR would've been capable of defeating Nazi Germany and Japan?
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An Army, Air Force, and Navy of 1.1 Million is not that big. I don't know about the strongest though. This is of course a novel comparison when compared to Nazi might.

The USSR was already getting whooped. The only thing that saved was a series of bad decisions and ill-preparedness. Still, Imagine over a million more German troops including tanks, planes, and etc. Also, When Germany would have entered the Middle East the Turks would have given to the German side. The German loss in the USSR was also a mix of lack fuel and clothing. This would have been fixed if the units were transferred to the USSR from France.

The Americans. The Americans with the withdrawal of Great Britain would of had NO PRESENCE in Europe or anywhere around it.So, How would they get to Europe?

The force of Nazi Germany, Japan, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Iraq, and is much more than those other 3.
The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition.

Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

AWESOME HITCH (CLICKY)
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Well, I guess that's the big "What if". There's no way of knowing what would've happened.
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Obviously.
The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition.

Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

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