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HISTORY IN THE MAKING 2008-2016

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We've spent a good many years discussing politics, life, society and history. Most of all, the makers of history. The great events that changed the world - people, places, actions. Small acts have changed its hard-worn course, and effort and circumstance can make of its small actors immortal greats. In line with that sentiment, it seems pertinent now to recognize the potential of those who've made up this community for years, obvious through their contributions to the spirited debate and discussion that has proceeded here. HITM has sadly gone silent, though perhaps not lacking for things to say about making history, but rather for the realization that it is time we all commenced to do so, and make our mark.

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Topic Started: Dec 29 2008, 12:59 PM (1,040 Views)
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I cant contribute I barely know anything about Trotsky and Stalin.
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Ww2nerd
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kk, um, military stuff then.....
What if motorization had only just taken place? (2000) This would mean no tanks, no aircraft, and no oil ships. Assuming these conflicts still took place as they have in history, how might they have been altered?
"There are strange things done in the midnight sun,
by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold...
the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

- Robert W. Service
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Well for one the battle of midway would probably not have happened which means that the Japanese wouldnt have lost a lot of men. Not to mention I bet that the Germans would have suffered a lot more losses than they did. The russians would have had a lot of victories.
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Actually, you're better at this.
"There are strange things done in the midnight sun,
by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold...
the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

- Robert W. Service
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huh?
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I'm to the point, and I get right to it, you seem to be able to create more generalist scenarios, leading to greater debate and further expanded minds.
"There are strange things done in the midnight sun,
by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold...
the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

- Robert W. Service
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So, You're saying if Motorization took place 8 years ago. What would have past and current conflicts looked like?
The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition.

Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

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TheNewRommel1
Dec 31 2008, 04:25 AM
So, You're saying if Motorization took place 8 years ago. What would have past and current conflicts looked like?

basically, if you even care to continue on with that idea. :P
"There are strange things done in the midnight sun,
by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold...
the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

- Robert W. Service
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It's somewhat hard to comprehend such a drastic change. The effects are literally worldwide and ingrained into societies core militarily and non-militarily.

I would have to say we would have seen a extreme rise in conflicts and vastly different outcomes in global power standings. Without the outreach a single country could have globally a lot of individual and what we would now call weak countries would be prompted to "free" themselves or to go for local, regional, and even global conquest.

The effects of Motorization in 2000 would be essentially what we see in Post-WW1 military circles, a strict traditionalist view of how wars are fought. Until we see a futuristic Rommel, Guderian, Tukhachevsky, and such emerge.

---To touch on the Trotsky subject.

We would have seen Russia emerge as a powerhouse in a lot of ways. Especially militarily due to Tukhachevsky's pioneering employment of Combined Arms assaults. Which worked extremely well against the Japanese.

(The reason I say this is because Tukhachevsky was killed under Stalin's purges meaning he would of continued his pioneering under Trotsky.)

Of Course, The opposite can be argued that Trotsky might have not brought Russia into the industrialized world on such a large scale as Stalin accomplished to do.
The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition.

Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

AWESOME HITCH (CLICKY)
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