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What Is President Bush's Legacy?
Topic Started: Jan 15 2009, 02:06 PM (846 Views)
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Now that he's leaving the White House five days, what do you think Bush's legacy is?

Here's my opinnion:

A country that said, "attack us and we'll make sure you never do it again at least while I'm leading". Hey I respect the guy, he took sh!t for 8 years having a large amount of people saying your wrong, and he responded with "I hear you but I'm going to do what I believe is right regardless of what makes me popular because it involves more people then just me".

I heard a quote about him talking about when he just was elected and how at the time he wasn't running to lead this country in a time of attack. Have to say that making tough choices a few months after being elected and then not only sticking to them but doing so among all the critisism says that he has balls and enough brains to know what will happen if he forgets.

Iraq is free now, Bush did that. They have problems but those problems are coming from their own region. We haven't been attacked since 9-11, Bush did that too with the help of all the men and women fighting for us. If you want to get into the whole "war for oil" well lets be honest, our country is more secure in its needs then it was before him, that's a president's job and Bush did that too.

As for the economy. I will say that he did as well as any other president would have. Don't forget that the mortgage issues happened right around the time of the election, shocker.

I will say this. Regardless of what you have heard, or what has become a popular trend, I do believe President Bush was honest to the American people. Even if that honesty wasn't proven in some issues. This country needs honesty leading it and I do believe that's what we had.

I'll say this, under President Bush, we led a war against people that hated our way of life. Be it the freedoms or our beliefs in what we stand for. He did it after they threw the first punch. You might say, " oh Iraq didn't hate us and had no wmd's he was wrong!" Well that's why we went to war with them in 1991 after they invaded Kuwait unprovoked. That's why people across that region celebrated on 9-11.

They might have humility now against speaking up against America,certainly about attacking us, that's President Bush's legacy.

Note: I DO NOT SUPPORT BUSH 100% I will acknowledge the fact that he's made some mistakes during his 8 years. An average president and good man, during bad times.

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Well spoken! You must study propaganda studies.

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They have problems but those problems are coming from their own region.


Problems which would have not existed if Iraq was not "free."

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We haven't been attacked since 9-11, Bush did that too with the help of all the men and women fighting for us.


Lol. Do you think the terrorists are no going to attack again?

They did it once, they will do it again. They haven't done it during Bush's presidency because Bush hit them in "the right spot" (Afghanistan), and effectively destroyed many of their posts and bases.

However, it was also under Bush's orders that the troops invaded Iraq. By invading Iraq, the nation left the door open for the terrorists to scape (along with Osama Bin Laden) to Pakistan.

Now the terrorists have re-armed, re-grouped, and are ready to once again attack. Parts of Afghanistan have even gone back to their control.

Where is the U.S.? In Iraq. Iraq did not even have terrorists in the first place (Or at least not the ones who attacked us).

What are we going to do now, with the nation's troops split in Iraq and Afghanistan? The terrorists are by no means afraid to strike again.


Bush has not made the world "safer for America." He has made it worse. :blink:
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His foreign policy and legacy abroad is plagued by the concensus he's a fool, who starts unneeded wars and has hands that would be red with blood, if not black with oil. Overall, Bush has accomplished the same thing every other head of state has managed, to keep a stable country. But he's also added some REALLY bad elements. There's a reason you find images comparing him to hitler, you know.
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His legacy has no good. NCLB was horrid (No Child Left Behind), Foreign Policy is horrid. No one respects the USA or admires. The list continues.
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Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

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They have problems but those problems are coming from their own region.


Problems which would have not existed if Iraq was not "free."

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We haven't been attacked since 9-11, Bush did that too with the help of all the men and women fighting for us.


Lol. Do you think the terrorists are no going to attack again?

They did it once, they will do it again. They haven't done it during Bush's presidency because Bush hit them in "the right spot" (Afghanistan), and effectively destroyed many of their posts and bases.

However, it was also under Bush's orders that the troops invaded Iraq. By invading Iraq, the nation left the door open for the terrorists to scape (along with Osama Bin Laden) to Pakistan.

Now the terrorists have re-armed, re-grouped, and are ready to once again attack. Parts of Afghanistan have even gone back to their control.

Where is the U.S.? In Iraq. Iraq did not even have terrorists in the first place (Or at least not the ones who attacked us).

What are we going to do now, with the nation's troops split in Iraq and Afghanistan? The terrorists are by no means afraid to strike again.


Bush has not made the world "safer for America." He has made it worse. :blink:

Someone should look at the Before and After pics of Iraq, before the invasion.
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*Looks at Pre-War Iraq* Hmmm, Peace, no continual, random suicide bombings, etc.

*Looks at Post-War Iraq* Hmmm, No Peace, continual, random suicde attack, etc.
The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition.

Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

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And observations like that don't take a sherlock holmes, Commie. They just take open eyes.
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the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

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So what you're saying is that Iraq was better off as a brutal dictatorship that suppressed its people, committed crimes against humanity, and that's hated the U.S. and its allies since the 90s?
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No, what I'm saying is it isn't any better off now. Only difference is the threat it may have posed to the west hasn't been removed, and it's stll a cesspit of violence.

It's never going to be any better, because mark my words, the coalition in the middle east will fail. This is a religious ideal that cannot be beaten, and as such, we have little recourse than to brave the storm like Israel has with Hamas.

Difference is, now they're pissed at Canada cause we got dragged into the cesspit.

The US doesn't respect human rights either. Torture is also used.
So yea, don't go acting so high and mighty.
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by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold...
the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

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Usually, When you "free" a country you want to make it better and/or have it better off as previous status. I don't see any of that.
The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy.

Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition.

Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir?

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Red Commie, I really liked your post, and I %100 agree with it, but you made a big mistake posting it here. These people have no morals, no values, and they're going to keep attacking this man (Bush) for as long as they live.

I don't believe President Bush's legacy is Iraq. At least, not just Iraq. You should read about what he's done to help Kosovo gain its independance, and what he's done in Africa. He has an amazing %80 approval rating in Africa, and a lot of Africans actually name their children George Bush. Because of him, Africa is much better, and loves America.

He's a great man, I consider him a role model, and I know he and his family are good people, and I wish them the best of luck.

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Red Commie, I really liked your post, and I %100 agree with it, but you made a big mistake posting it here. These people have no morals, no values, and they're going to keep attacking this man (Bush) for as long as they live.

I don't believe President Bush's legacy is Iraq. At least, not just Iraq. You should read about what he's done to help Kosovo gain its independance, and what he's done in Africa. He has an amazing %80 approval rating in Africa, and a lot of Africans actually name their children George Bush. Because of him, Africa is much better, and loves America.

He's a great man, I consider him a role model, and I know he and his family are good people, and I wish them the best of luck.

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I know that his legacy isn't Iraq. It's just that when people think of Bush, they think of Iraq.
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