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Stalinism
Topic Started: Jan 26 2009, 01:50 AM (633 Views)
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Despite the horrific humanitarian consequences of Stalin's 5 year plan and his rule in general, it was neccessary for Russian victory over the Germans in WW2. Discuss.
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Communism = Fail :unsure:
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So how did communism fail in this case?
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Jan 26 2009, 02:00 AM
Communism = Fail :unsure:

Well, The USSR was neither United nor Socialist nor Republics. It was, however, Soviet. Whatever that is.

There cannot be a communist country. The sheer idea of Communism is that you don't need a government because the community provides for itself based on the idea of "From each according to his skill, to each according to his need."

People always talk about how Communism is evil and cite Stalin and Mao, but they weren't Communists. Those were police states, dictatorships, that used the guise of Communism to achieve near limitless governmental power.
"The wages of sin is death but so is the salary of virtue, and at least the evil get to go home early on Fridays." - Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
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If I may, this is a hideosly distorted version of Leninist-Marxism. However, I agree, that this was crucial in his victory, as in the end, it was his vast industrial capacity and manpower that led to Hitler's defeat.

Although, one mustn't overlook the ordinary sovietic civilian. Without thier unwavering sacrifice and courage in the face of the National Socialist war machine, It is almost certain the USSR would have fallen.
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by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold...
the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

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Everybody could stop the Nazis like Stalin did. Give a few million soldiers with no life and I will use them as a meat shield.
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I think that it was the massive industrial requirements for WW2, and not the aforementioned industrialisation strategies. At the outbreak of WW2 the Soviet Union was still largely a backwards agricultural nation that used its sheer recourses to ever get anything done.

The massive, rapid change occurred when Stalin, being the awesome genius he is, realised that his scorched earth policy wasn't working and decided to focus his attention on creating a powerful army, vast in numbers, able to push out the evil despised fascists :P
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I would argue it wasn't Stalin personally, but remarkable generals like Georgi Zhukov, an Nicholai. Both of them could probably be called the Soviet version of Rommel.
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by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold...
the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

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Jan 26 2009, 10:45 AM
I would argue it wasn't Stalin personally, but remarkable generals like Georgi Zhukov, an Nicholai. Both of them could probably be called the Soviet version of Rommel.

i think you misunderstand, the question is about the Russian economy.
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Stalinism =/= Communism.
Stalinism = Fail, evil, murder, victory over Nazi's.
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If people continue to say Communist/Socialist countries or have existed, I will 1.) Ban You 2.) Murder You

Just because I say I am moral doesn't make me so.
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Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity.

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All the socialist countries sicken me.
Omg wait, I am socialist!
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Jan 26 2009, 07:57 PM

Stalinism = Fail, evil, murder, victory over Nazi's.

So...Victory over Nazi's = fail?
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Jan 26 2009, 06:51 PM
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Jan 26 2009, 10:45 AM
I would argue it wasn't Stalin personally, but remarkable generals like Georgi Zhukov, an Nicholai. Both of them could probably be called the Soviet version of Rommel.

i think you misunderstand, the question is about the Russian economy.

No, I get that part. I just like to elaborate.
Sorry, I'm not always to the point, as Dragonlegend will attest.
"There are strange things done in the midnight sun,
by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold...
the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

- Robert W. Service
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Jan 26 2009, 02:12 AM
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Jan 26 2009, 02:00 AM
Communism  = Fail :unsure:

Well, The USSR was neither United nor Socialist nor Republics. It was, however, Soviet. Whatever that is.

There cannot be a communist country. The sheer idea of Communism is that you don't need a government because the community provides for itself based on the idea of "From each according to his skill, to each according to his need."

People always talk about how Communism is evil and cite Stalin and Mao, but they weren't Communists. Those were police states, dictatorships, that used the guise of Communism to achieve near limitless governmental power.

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