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| TheNewRommel1 | Feb 10 2009, 02:59 AM Post #16 |
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@Dragon: Well, Iran is full of history. The arguably first monotheistic religion was developed there (Zoroastrianism). Great Kingdoms, etc. In modernity, They are fairly advanced. While they do live under an Islamic Theocracy, they are more lenient than say Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. They allow the practice of all faiths (Except Bahai'i) so long as it doesn't offend Islam. Education is allowed for all genders, etc. Of Course it does have its share of problems like a declining economy, but that can be fixed. I'm sure I have skipped over some stuff. |
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The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy. Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition. Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity. When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir? AWESOME HITCH (CLICKY) | |
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| DragonLegend | Feb 10 2009, 03:47 AM Post #17 |
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Yeah, like hanging homosexuals and stoning women. :/ I'm sorry, but any society where Sharia is the law is barbaric. The only way for Iran to go back to its former glory is if they kicked out the Mullahs. |
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| TheNewRommel1 | Feb 10 2009, 03:54 AM Post #18 |
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That is no different then modern societies committing hate crimes towards homosexuals and such. I'm referring to Iran as a whole not the government which carries out these acts. |
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The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy. Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition. Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity. When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir? AWESOME HITCH (CLICKY) | |
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| DragonLegend | Feb 10 2009, 04:21 AM Post #19 |
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It's very different, actually. In Iran, hanging homosexuals is law. In modern societies, it isn't. Iranian people are great. But that's just about it; the Iranians are the only good thing about Iran. Everything else (eg leadership, economy, scientific/medical breakthroughs, law, human rights, standard of living etc)....well, sucks. Iran is a backward country, still living in barbaric 7th century. |
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| Lazurath | Feb 10 2009, 06:20 AM Post #20 |
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Lol, it's funny because Persia had several huge empires that world definitely world powers at the time, but all people remember them for is continually being beaten by the Greeks :\ |
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| Lazurath | Feb 10 2009, 06:30 AM Post #21 |
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I agree that the government is bad, and they have violated human rights, however their science and standard of living is comparatively high in the end of the world. Look at neighbouring Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Azerbaijan or Armenia, you will see that those countries are relative shitholes compared to Iran. It is definitely not the best; far from it; however for an area as troubled as the Middle East they are relatively well-off. |
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| Hyperactive Jam | Feb 10 2009, 10:30 PM Post #22 |
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You fools, there are no homosexuals in Iran. |
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| DragonLegend | Feb 11 2009, 02:16 AM Post #23 |
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What the heck are you talking about? First of all, we're not talking relativity here. Secondly, what are you on? Iran is a shithole, and no, it does not have a "comparatively high" standard of living. Iran is in the Middle-East, so let's list some of the countries there that have a higher standard of living: - Israel - Kuwait - United Arab Emirates - Bahrain - Qatar - Libya - Oman - Saudi Arabia - Turkey - Lebanon - Armenia (I know it's not in the Middle-East or North Africa; I'm just showing you you're wrong) So, tell me, how is Iran's HDI higher than its neighbours'? Don't talk to me about Pakistan or Afghanistan; those countries have been at war for a long time now, and they're struggling against terrorism. Iran, however, has had 2 decades of peace (excluding their connections to Hamas and Hezbollah), so why isn't their HDI high? I can list dozens of real shitholes that have a higher standard of living than Iran. Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...velopment_Index http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/c...icle5697472.ece http://hdrstats.undp.org/countries/country...cty_fs_IRN.html PS: Why are you defending Iran? I thought you hated extremists? I know many Iranians, and they've told me everything about how Iran is a shithole. Now, tell me, where are you getting your information? 'Cause I get mine from credible and reliable sources, and people who've actually lived under the tyrannical rule of the Mullahs. |
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| Redemption | Feb 11 2009, 02:22 AM Post #24 |
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I know what you mean, but the Byzantine Greeks didn't finish off the Persians. The two of them slugged it out like a pair of titans until the Islamic conquest began and Persia was swallowed by the Caliphate. Had they not been enemies they probably would've very easily beaten the holy warriors that attacked both of them. |
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| DragonLegend | Feb 12 2009, 03:03 AM Post #25 |
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*Waits for Laz to reply* *Realizes it's hopeless* At least have the guts to end the discussion, Laz. :| |
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| Ww2nerd | Feb 12 2009, 03:37 AM Post #26 |
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I think his point, Dragonlegend, is that Iran isn't the propaganda shithole you paint it to be. You could seriously stand to take a lesson from Mr. Churchill: "................No one has been a stauncher opponent of communism than I have for the last 25 years, but all thier follies fade away before the spectacle I see. Russian men standing, in defence of wives and mothers praying, and fields tilled from time immemorial. Upon this I see the hideous onslaught of the Nazi war machine, with the clanking heels of dandified prussian officers.............." You look at people as guilty merely because of thier beliefs, and you seem to believe, note: SEEM to believe that they deserve everything coming to them. You need to realise these are people just as deserving of respect as anybody else. Oh, and please, don't make me explain the signifigance of that quote to you, as if you don't get what I mean by it.............. |
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"There are strange things done in the midnight sun, by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold... the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see... was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee." - Robert W. Service | |
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| TheNewRommel1 | Feb 12 2009, 05:01 AM Post #27 |
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NO ARGUING, YES. THIS IS MY AUTHORITARIAN THREAD. Anyways, I wouldn't say Saudi Arabia has a better standard a living. It has the same Theocratic views and is basically a Sharia state. |
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The heart should only exist to pump blood to the brain and rest of the body anything else is a waste of time and energy. Love and Hate are only impediments to the human condition. Imagine what could be accomplished if only the human race could shed our humanity. When the facts change, my mind changes. What do you do, sir? AWESOME HITCH (CLICKY) | |
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| DragonLegend | Feb 12 2009, 05:02 AM Post #28 |
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Are you actually quoting Churchill (a fierce opponent of Islam) to show me that Muslims care about their families? ![]() Please read up on the Quran and Hadith. Children are extensions, and wives are tools. True/fanatic Muslims don't care about their earthly possessions. |
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| Lazurath | Feb 12 2009, 08:04 AM Post #29 |
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Hmmm... seems I was wrong. But that was my own fallacy, I misinterpreted the information I read (I will never give you a victory! NEVA!!! :D) Ok, Iran does have more problems then I thought, but they definitely aren't backwards. They do have a high quality of science and education (especially in their universities), so your original statement is void. |
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| DragonLegend | Feb 12 2009, 09:49 AM Post #30 |
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Quality, perhaps, but definitely not quantity... whatever that means. Do you know certain groups of people are denied access to health-care and education in Iran? Bahai'is. for example. The Iranian leadership hate their guts; murdering Bahai'is is not a crime; families of murdered Bahai'is are denied "compensation"; Bahai'is aren't allowed to be treated in hospitals or taught in schools; etc... Can you really support a country that condones all those things? I mean, I remember from our previous arguments that you said you didn't dislike Muslims; just the extremist ones. Well, guess what, that's what the Iranian leadership is: Extremists, fanatics, nut-jobs, "mis-interpreters" of Islam... So why do you support them? Why don't you go around defending a more secular and "Westernized" Muslim country, like Egypt or Bahrain (even though I don't really like those two)? Nobody likes Iran, not even the Iranians, so why do you support the country so much? Because it's popular among Liberals to do so? |
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