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HISTORY IN THE MAKING 2008-2016

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Iran.
Topic Started: Feb 9 2009, 04:57 AM (1,107 Views)
Ww2nerd
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I said it looks like it. It does. To me anyhow.
At any rate, it'll take a couple more posts to be certain.

Oh, and I was reading up on the ten commandments (for Law Class, a report on the influence of certain legal doctrines on Canadian law, like Hammurabi, BNA Act, Magna Carta, etc.) And The Jewish version ACTIVELY encourages the destruction of other religions.

I think this was Exodus 25:30 something or other..... I lost the URL.
Actually, I'm not going to quote it, because I don't remember the exact quote.
Mentioned something about tearing down temples and sacred pillars for god is a jealous god.

Just thought that would be something interesting to raze. I only know one of them was jewish, had a bunch of crap on different exoduses and stuff, maybe they were all jewish, maybe some were christian......
"There are strange things done in the midnight sun,
by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold...
the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

- Robert W. Service
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Ww2nerd
Feb 19 2009, 11:15 PM
Looks like you have a friend dragon.
Still looks to be smarter than you though......

:lol:

Thanks for the vote of confidence ( I think.)

Actually, I am not all that smart, I just happened to have spent the day prior to that post in briefings with the Senior American Advisor to Coalition Forces on Corruption in Iraq. (I'm glad my title isn't that long!)

He gave a three hour brief on the historical, political, economic, and religious (all intertwined as mentioned previously) events from the 1920s to the present that led to the current situation in the Middle East. Not focused on the American experience, but how Iran and Iraq in particular got to their current state of affairs.

During the Iran/Iraq war of the 1980s, many Iraqis were captured during the fighting. If they were Sunni, they were basically doomed in the camps. If they were Shia, the Iranians would indoctrinate them and they essentially became pawns of the Iranian intelligence apparatus when they were repatriated after the war. Very specifically, the pawns were indoctrinated into the concept of Wilayat Al Fakih (WAF). WAF is a philosophy which states that the 12th Imam's Deputy can be identified by visions. That person would be the only one who could issue a Fatwah or declare Jihad (unlike the Sunni sect, where any mullah is authorized to do so. For the Sunnis, however, a Mullah's edicts only apply to those Sunni who directly follow that Mullah. Shia has a more centralized chain of command - so to speak - such that there is only a single Supreme Grand Ayatollah which directs the activities of all Shia in world...250 million of them. But I digress...)

Currently the Shia Supreme Grand Ayatollah is Sistani, an Iraqi. He does not subscribe to the WAF idea, and consequently all Shia concur with his edicts. He is generally supportive of coalition forces in Iraq. The Iranians, however, subscribe to the idea of WAF. This is because they want to move the center of power of Shia from Najaf in Iraq, where Sistani is, to Quom in Iran. If WAF becomes the central doctrine of Shia, the Deputy of the 12th Imam takes precedence over the Supreme Grand Ayatollah, and the center of power shifts. Amienijad (sp-sorry) thinks he should be the Deputy of the 12th Imam. Very few Shia believe this, but the few that do are the ones who are powerful. Remember, politics are subordinated to religion in Islam. Religion is used to influece the Shia people to gain power, to control resources. All is intertwined.

Enough for now. Good conversation.

P.S. I saw WW2Nerds post on the militancy of Judaism in the old testament. He is quite crrect. I look at monotheistic religions as following a sort of arc. Judaism is the oldest religion. It went through its period of militancy and conquest long before the other other religions grew to infleunce. Christianity came next. By that time, Judaism had grown beyond the conquest phase and was pretty stable and non-militant. Not to mention they eventually had their butts kicked by other ancient cultures by that time. As Christianity grew and expanded, it went through its own conquest phase (think Crusades and other Christian wars) but has since matured to where Christians (in western European culture anyway) no longer fight wars of religious conquest. I suppose that is open to debate, but it is my opinion anyway.

Islam is the youngest of the great monotheistic religions. They are infants compared to the other religions. Consequently, they are still going through their militant conquest stage. Combine that with the fact that Moslems are also suffering from an inferiority complex because they went from being an amazingly advanced, cultured and influential power in the ancient world, to being backwards and basically second world now, and their violence begins to make sense in a subjective way.
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