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Topic Started: Jan 6 2010, 08:58 AM (957 Views)
DragonLegend
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We're already political enemies. I don't see Russia helping us with anything. In fact, they're actively working to undermine our influence in the world.
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Dragon, I was being sarcastic. Also, although the U.S.-Russia relations aren't going very well, there are a few things that improved their relations. Like, uhhhh, a little help to the U.S. mission in Afghanistan. But, well, you gotta admit that the relations at least improved a bit in the last 25 years.
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Feb 27 2010, 02:34 AM
We're already political enemies. I don't see Russia helping us with anything. In fact, they're actively working to undermine our influence in the world.
Sometimes it's a good thing not to have monopoly on power. Particularly in the US' case....
"There are strange things done in the midnight sun,
by the men who moil for gold; the arctic trails have their secret tales that'd make your blood run cold...
the Northern Lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see...
was that night on the marge of Lake LeBarge, that I cremated Sam McGee."

- Robert W. Service
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The US held a monopoly for about 5 years... now it is losing its power not to Russia, but to China.

Let's get real; while Russia has huge military leftovers, its economy is nothing to be amazed at... the largest country on Earth has a GDP that only surpasses Mexico's, and most of it comes from petroleum and natural gas... what happened to the factories? They all crumbled with communism's fall, it seems.

China, on the other hand, has the fastest-growing economy, and the largest manufacturing capability in the world, and a rapidly modernizing military that's already the largest.

The US is still the strongest, but it is getting weaker every passing day. There's no way the US economy can compete. It has nothing to offer that couldn't be done cheaper and just as well somewhere else.

Edited by Neitzluber, Feb 27 2010, 06:51 AM.
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Actually Ivan I would say US-Russian/Soviet relations where at the highest in the early 90s.
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Feb 27 2010, 04:53 AM
Dragon, I was being sarcastic. Also, although the U.S.-Russia relations aren't going very well, there are a few things that improved their relations. Like, uhhhh, a little help to the U.S. mission in Afghanistan. But, well, you gotta admit that the relations at least improved a bit in the last 25 years.
They didn't help with the Afghanistan war one bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manas_Air_Base#2009_threat_of_closure_and_restructuring
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Feb 27 2010, 01:58 PM
Actually Ivan I would say US-Russian/Soviet relations where at the highest in the early 90s.
Agree. What I meant was that they improved (a bit) since the end of the cold war.

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Feb 27 2010, 04:53 AM


Orly?

http://www.rferl.org/content/Russia_To_Support_US_Peace_Effort_In_Afghanistan/1894486.html
Edited by _Иван_, Feb 27 2010, 04:42 PM.
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Feb 27 2010, 04:41 PM
All talk and no walk. Russia sure loves to "talk" about helping us with Afghanistan, Eastern Europe, Iran, but when do they actually do anything to help us?
Edited by DragonLegend, Feb 27 2010, 05:20 PM.
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Slowly, but the relations are actually getting slightly better since Obama is in office. E.g., the last year, Russia allowed the pass of American military through the Russian territory.
Of course, it's not an immediate process. Just time will tell, Dragon. Patience.
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No, they're not. It really doesn't matter who's the President of America. Russia does what's best for Russia. I don't see why they'd go against their own interests simply because Obama and Hillary offered Russia a mistranslated "reset" button in a meeting. Appeasement implies weakness, it doesn't invite cooperation.

Russia told Kyrgystan to close our military base, and you expect Americans to be grateful that Russia allows the US to transport supplies through its territory?

It has nothing to do with time. Russia has been like this for a long time. That's what you get when their leader is an ex-KGB, Soviet-wannabe tyrant.
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He's not the leader! The kind, level-headed Medvedev is leader! Since he's president! So he must be in charge of Russia! Right?
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DragonLegend
Feb 27 2010, 06:50 PM
No, they're not. It really doesn't matter who's the President of America. Russia does what's best for Russia. I don't see why they'd go against their own interests simply because Obama and Hillary offered Russia a mistranslated "reset" button in a meeting.
Okay, I have to agree there. Hmmmmm... Oh, and a more explained point of my previous post would be: "Russia is skeptic towards Obama and still follows it's own interests, but, at least, it doesn't show so much dislike towards America as it did when the U.S. was under Bush's administration".

Either way, I don't see what am I debating over something that started out as satirical sarcasm towards U.S.-Russia relations.

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He's not the leader! The kind, level-headed Medvedev is leader! Since he's president! So he must be in charge of Russia! Right?


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Putin; *What the...? Damn it! When did the control stick stop working?*
Edited by _Иван_, Feb 28 2010, 02:49 AM.
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DragonLegend
Feb 27 2010, 06:50 PM
No, they're not. It really doesn't matter who's the President of America. Russia does what's best for Russia. I don't see why they'd go against their own interests simply because Obama and Hillary offered Russia a mistranslated "reset" button in a meeting. Appeasement implies weakness, it doesn't invite cooperation.

Russia told Kyrgystan to close our military base, and you expect Americans to be grateful that Russia allows the US to transport supplies through its territory?

It has nothing to do with time. Russia has been like this for a long time. That's what you get when their leader is an ex-KGB, Soviet-wannabe tyrant.
The US has over 200 bases around the world.

Close them all down.
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