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HISTORY IN THE MAKING 2008-2016

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We've spent a good many years discussing politics, life, society and history. Most of all, the makers of history. The great events that changed the world - people, places, actions. Small acts have changed its hard-worn course, and effort and circumstance can make of its small actors immortal greats. In line with that sentiment, it seems pertinent now to recognize the potential of those who've made up this community for years, obvious through their contributions to the spirited debate and discussion that has proceeded here. HITM has sadly gone silent, though perhaps not lacking for things to say about making history, but rather for the realization that it is time we all commenced to do so, and make our mark.

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Two Obama Voters On An Escalator
Topic Started: Feb 25 2010, 05:10 PM (1,220 Views)
Parasky
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DragonLegend
Mar 5 2010, 12:07 AM
Sometimes the teachers themselves are overweight. How's that for setting an example!
I had an English teacher once whose spelling the class had to regularly correct. I also had a US history teacher who didn't know that we weren't a nation until 1783. I get how somebody might think that we became a nation in 1776, what with the Declaration of Independence, but how could you ever become a US history teacher and not know that nobody recognized us as a nation until 1783?
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I have a Maths teacher who we frequently have to correct, and the stuff isn't even that hard in the first place.
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MaxJ
Mar 4 2010, 02:22 PM
And history, economics and geography?

And literature for foreign languages?
Those come in handy. They should be electives.
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Mar 4 2010, 10:50 PM
Neitzluber
Mar 4 2010, 04:21 AM
They need to drop arts, literature, and sports.

The only things society needs taught at schools are grammar, mathematics, and science.

Literature and sports should be enjoyed as desired, not forcibly taught.
Nonesense.

The public school system needs to offer all fields there is a demand for. This includes literature because sensible parents don't want their children to be complete uncultured idiots. Science or the higher maths are, for that matter, while important, no more helpful to many jobs than the liberal arts are.

Sports are merely an effort to help keep prosterity from becoming obese, though I might agree, especialy by highschool, it becomes a waste of time and should be dropped.
The great advancements in the human condition have always come from mathematics and science. While art is nice to look at and keeps us entertained, it needs not be taught at schools. It arises naturally. A math nerd might just as well make great music as a hobby. The difference is that mathematics help us solve real problems and reach at real advances, while music is merely a sideshow to make life easy for those who already have it easy.

Taxpayer dollars are scarce, so let them be wisely invested in something that'll pay back, rather than gambled in such trivial things as arts and sports.
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I see your point, Neitz, but I would prefer to live in a more diverse society with more opportunities for everyone.
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Parasky
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Neitzluber
Mar 5 2010, 06:53 AM
UnknownCow
Mar 4 2010, 10:50 PM
Neitzluber
Mar 4 2010, 04:21 AM
They need to drop arts, literature, and sports.

The only things society needs taught at schools are grammar, mathematics, and science.

Literature and sports should be enjoyed as desired, not forcibly taught.
Nonesense.

The public school system needs to offer all fields there is a demand for. This includes literature because sensible parents don't want their children to be complete uncultured idiots. Science or the higher maths are, for that matter, while important, no more helpful to many jobs than the liberal arts are.

Sports are merely an effort to help keep prosterity from becoming obese, though I might agree, especialy by highschool, it becomes a waste of time and should be dropped.
The great advancements in the human condition have always come from mathematics and science. While art is nice to look at and keeps us entertained, it needs not be taught at schools. It arises naturally. A math nerd might just as well make great music as a hobby. The difference is that mathematics help us solve real problems and reach at real advances, while music is merely a sideshow to make life easy for those who already have it easy.

Taxpayer dollars are scarce, so let them be wisely invested in something that'll pay back, rather than gambled in such trivial things as arts and sports.
Go look up "Alhambra" and tell me that you can't fuse math and art.
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Lazurath
Mar 5 2010, 06:11 AM
I have a Maths teacher who we frequently have to correct, and the stuff isn't even that hard in the first place.
Haha I used to have a math teacher like that too, but the guy was quite old so ;))



But for the rest are all teachers here quite good, they all have a university degree and a few years of teacher school :sarc:
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Neitzluber
Mar 5 2010, 06:53 AM
UnknownCow
Mar 4 2010, 10:50 PM
Neitzluber
Mar 4 2010, 04:21 AM
They need to drop arts, literature, and sports.

The only things society needs taught at schools are grammar, mathematics, and science.

Literature and sports should be enjoyed as desired, not forcibly taught.
Nonesense.

The public school system needs to offer all fields there is a demand for. This includes literature because sensible parents don't want their children to be complete uncultured idiots. Science or the higher maths are, for that matter, while important, no more helpful to many jobs than the liberal arts are.

Sports are merely an effort to help keep prosterity from becoming obese, though I might agree, especialy by highschool, it becomes a waste of time and should be dropped.
The great advancements in the human condition have always come from mathematics and science. While art is nice to look at and keeps us entertained, it needs not be taught at schools. It arises naturally. A math nerd might just as well make great music as a hobby. The difference is that mathematics help us solve real problems and reach at real advances, while music is merely a sideshow to make life easy for those who already have it easy.

Taxpayer dollars are scarce, so let them be wisely invested in something that'll pay back, rather than gambled in such trivial things as arts and sports.
So your proposition is to allow the government to decide what courses will be made avaiable based off their value to sociey?

Sounds disgustingly of Well's The Men in the Moon.

Frankly this is the kind of big government that I have and always will protest. I very rarely talk about politics, and perhaps even less on this board. It isn't my niche; I don't find it as interesting as other endevors. Nevertheless to propose a government that makes value judgements, something ironicaly philosophical, to deem only the hard sciences as appropriate for government funding, excluding the teaching of history, sociology, and literature which all have lead to the society we live in today so that we can even be talking about how we should be teaching the masses, is laughable.
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DragonLegend
Feb 28 2010, 12:41 AM
Public education? The post office? Social security, Medicare and Medicaid, which have bankrupted America? Need I go on?

Pretty much the only thing the US government can do right is the military.
I still slightly disagree with you on this one. I agree about the military of course, but I subscribe to Milton Friedman's Free to Choose model. There are certain public works which cannot lend themselves to profitabiltiy in the private sector while providing for the public good.

The military is one. Highways is another. I like the national park service and think that is pretty well run. Were the property to be in private hands, I fear we would lose nature as the terrain is sold off for private gain.

I'm sure there are others, but I have to take my dog to the vet, so it will have to wait for another time.

More tomorrow.
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Those are the basics, the necessities. Aren't they specifically mentioned in the Constitution?

I don't think the post office, social security and health care are mentioned in the Constitution as rights.
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DragonLegend
Mar 11 2010, 07:35 AM
Those are the basics, the necessities. Aren't they specifically mentioned in the Constitution?

I don't think the post office, social security and health care are mentioned in the Constitution as rights.
Nope, I agree with you on all three of those. I kind of like the postal service, though because it is so much cheaper than Fedex and UPS, but still does a pretty efficient job of getting mail where it is supposed to go, quickly. They are a drain on taxpayers, of course, because they don't charge enough to support themselves. I guess we'd break even with lower taxes but higher rates if the post office privatized. Based on Friedman's principles, we'd probably be better off, because it is the nature of private firms to run more cost effectively. Government agencies have large overhead such that a greater percentage of each dollar they receive goes to overhead than if they were private.

The other legitimate functions of government are public safety (police and fire), the judiciary, any public service which can not be profitably provided by a private organization (highways and such fall here), and very limited care for the indigent. Here Friedman was talking about a societal responsibility to care for people who could not reasonably care for themselves and who had no family to care for them: orphans, abandoned children, the mentally challenged without family capable of caring for them, and probably others on a limited case by case basis.

As for the constitution, I think only the military and the judiciary are specifically mentioned.

Oh, Friedman also mentions a minimal amount of education should be publicly available. The societal profit from a certain level of education outweighs the cost in public dollars. He considered use of tax dollars for a certain amount of education for all people, regardless of background to be of such potential benefit to society that he thought it worth the cost.
Edited by Nghtflame7, Mar 11 2010, 07:46 PM.
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Ww2nerd
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Interesting HC has to be defined as a right in your constitution. Here it just is.
There might be some preamble in the Canada Health Act for it too, I don't know.
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