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Topic Started: Mar 16 2010, 04:26 PM (313 Views)
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Recognize this photo? Well, some “professional journalists” don't.

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While some instantly recognized the image, others couldn’t quite place it.

“I know I ought to know it,” one co-worker said. “It was in the movie, ?Flags of Our Fathers.’” Some, seeing uniforms, realized it must be a war photo. Maybe Vietnam? One got the era right but the battlefield wrong. She guessed it was D-Day, not, as it was, the raising of the American flag on Iwo Jima.
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Haha it's pretty stupid if you don't know that. That's like the most famous WWII photo together with this one:

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Mar 16 2010, 04:39 PM
Haha it's pretty stupid if you don't know that. That's like the most famous WWII photo together with this one:

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It is without a doubt the most famous in the USA. I suspect the photo Max posted is more famous in Europe.

There were two flags raised on Iwo. Rosenthal photographed the second flag. The first was smaller and was photographed by a Marine SSgt. Both original flags are in the possession of the USMC museum. Each year one is displayed and the other is maintained and stored. The museum is awesome and is located in Quantico VA about 45 minutes S of Washington DC.
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Mar 16 2010, 06:13 PM
MaxJ
Mar 16 2010, 04:39 PM
Haha it's pretty stupid if you don't know that. That's like the most famous WWII photo together with this one:

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It is without a doubt the most famous in the USA. I suspect the photo Max posted is more famous in Europe.
That's very good possible, I also think this photo is slightly better known (over here) than the photo of Iwo Jima. The photo above shows a Soviet soldier putting the Soviet flag at the Reichstag(German building of parliament), at the background you see a burning Berlin.
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Right.
Here's a better image of the same photo (probably photoshopped, though):

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God dammit, we have a giant bronze statue of that situation in Washington DC, I know that WWII was almost a century ago (that's pretty crazy to think I'll live to see the 100th anniversary of the end of WWII), but that doesn't mean it's any less memorable.

Then again, our education standards have been dropping lately. I don't remember ever learning much about WWII in my history classes as far back as I can remember. Mostly just "oh yea, we were at war with Germany and Japan, so we single handedly beat the Nazi out of Hitler then nuked Japan." I don't think we ever went over specifics, except for D-Day, the Battle of the Bulge, and the Battle of Midway. In fact, I'm pretty sure that if I started talking about Vichy France in my school's history class people wouldn't know what I was talking about. I bet most of them don't even know about the Eastern Front, or even Battle of Britain.

But if we learn almost nothing about WWII then we must actually lose IQ points when we go over WWI, considering in my AP US History class last year we went over all of WWI in five minutes. Literally just five minutes, then we spent two classes on WWII. The most significant era in American history, and even the world's history, and we went over all of it in less than three days. Hell, we went over WWII in more detail during a conversation we had in my Ancient World History class two years ago.
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Yeah the photo is pretty obviousy photoshopped.
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For a minute there I thought you were talking about the Iwo Jima one, lol.
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Mar 16 2010, 09:15 PM
Yeah the photo is pretty obviousy photoshopped.
Actually, I believe both were staged, or the 40s equivalent of photshopping :P

The American one was taken after the actual raising of the flag, to make it look more dramatic and increase war support at home. The Soviet one was also retaken, since the original was too dark, and the original flag-bearer was replaced with a Georgian soldier (to please Stalin.)

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(that's pretty crazy to think I'll live to see the 100th anniversary of the end of WWII),

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Oh please, I'll only be 52. I'll have a good five or six months left in me before my heart and/or (possibly cancer ridden) lungs give out.
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Damn you, I'll be 53(end of war in Europe) or 54(end of war in Pacific) and very rich by that time.
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Mar 17 2010, 07:43 AM
UnknownCow
Mar 16 2010, 09:15 PM
Yeah the photo is pretty obviousy photoshopped.
Actually, I believe both were staged, or the 40s equivalent of photshopping :P

The American one was taken after the actual raising of the flag, to make it look more dramatic and increase war support at home. The Soviet one was also retaken, since the original was too dark, and the original flag-bearer was replaced with a Georgian soldier (to please Stalin.)

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(that's pretty crazy to think I'll live to see the 100th anniversary of the end of WWII),

Don't count your chickens before they hatch ;)
The second flag raising photo wasn't staged, Rosenthal just happened to be there for it and snapped what became an American icon.

The second flag was raised because the first one was much smaller and they wanted a BIG flag for when Forrestal arrived. If you read Flags of Our Fathers, you'll see that Rosenthal was accused of staging/posing the second one, but it was really just a reflex shot that he took and it came out great. You can also see the photo taken of the first flag. It was definitely not as dramatic, but you can see how much smaller the first flag was.
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You just HAD to spoil my weekend with that blasphemy. :wtf:
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