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'Critic's Corner' vs. 'Critic's Board'
Topic Started: Nov 11 2004, 02:55 PM (150 Views)
Misio
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Critic's Corner
a. Review subject to discretion of Admin.
b. Review not posted immediately.
c. Discussion or comments about reviews impossible.
d. Inaccesible to people without Flash or Shockwave.
e. Reviews organized by film.
f. Review must be emailed to Admin.

Critic's Board
a. Review subject to discretion of Reviewer.
b. Review posted immediately.
c. Comments possible and welcome.
d. Accesible to people without fancy Flash or Shockwave plugins.
e. Reviews organized by date.
f. Review posted by Reviewer.

In my opinion, the 'Critic's Corner' is a hassle, terribly bureaucratic and adds yet another pointless Admin position to a game which already has an absurd ratio of Admins to Players. Bring back the 'Critic's Board'. It was faster, more convenient, and, for fuck's sake, allowed profanity.

Thank yee.
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I agree with Misio on the above points. Makes much more sense to use the board for reviews.

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RitchieSteven
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Misio,Nov 11 2004
02:55 PM
Critic's Corner
a. Review subject to discretion of Admin.
b. Review not posted immediately.
c. Discussion or comments about reviews impossible.
d. Inaccesible to people without Flash or Shockwave.
e. Reviews organized by film.
f. Review must be emailed to Admin.

A. Corner or board, reviews are subject to discretion of Admin. This means that if someone wants to get paid for a review that says "This sucks", that it will not be posted, an official reviewing forumn is not for such reviews. This also means that reviews that are written after obiviously not reading the material will not be posted.

B. Every review has been posted within 10 hours of getting the e-mail. That pretty immediately in my mind.

C. Comments are welcome on the regular message board, in chat or PM. The critcs board only alloed the admin to post and producer to say thanks, it was not a discussion forum.

D. If anyone has any trouble, they should have mentioned in the help or development board, I would have placed text links on all pages, just as I have with the front page.

E. How else should they be organized? This brings things together in a tight fashion, allowing everyone to get info on a film and see all reviews on said film.

F. Correct.

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Critic's Board
a. Review subject to discretion of Reviewer.
b. Review posted immediately.
c. Comments possible and welcome.
d. Accesible to people without fancy Flash or Shockwave plugins.
e. Reviews organized by date.
f. Review posted by Reviewer.


A. This is untrue. The critic admin also has had the power to delete reviews from the board (which thanksfully only had to be used once). The board is not a free for all.

B. This is true.

C. This is only true to the extent of a "Thank you" and "You were awared 3 points and ___ dollars for this review." The Non-Critics board is to chat about films and not try and get paid for it.

D. This is true, but the critics corner can have this ability also. You just have to ask.

E. By date and "bumps." You have to travel around to search for other reviews and look for where or when they might be posted, instead of being organized in a nice fashion, where you can compare the review with other reviews.

F. Does that really make it better? Would you want John Doe to make a dozen posted saying "Said Movie Sucks balls".

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No matter what there will be a Critics Admin (that is if critics want to get paid, if not than go post on the Non-Critics board). Calling the corner "terribly bureaucratic" is very insulting to me. Heavy and BS have not done the job for various reasons, and I have handled the corner. I get updates up very quickly and put a ton of work into that section. I am fully fair and for someone to accuse me otherwise if unwarneted and offensive.

Edited to add: Just a note on the "reviewers posting their own material" side of the fight. Would it also be better if journalists posted their own news articles on a board, or if people posted their own movies? We wouldn't want the game to turn into a full forum based Sim, IMO that just wouldn't be fun.

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Just my 2 cents as a "customer" (somebody who reads the reviews): I much prefer the critics corner to the old board system.
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In my opinion, the 'Critic's Corner' is a hassle, terribly bureaucratic and adds yet another pointless Admin position to a game which already has an absurd ratio of Admins to Players. Bring back the 'Critic's Board'. It was faster, more convenient, and, for fuck's sake, allowed profanity.


I must say that the Critic's Corner, in my opinion, is so much easier for everyone involved. Reviewers just have to e-mail their piece to the critics corner and they are done. That doesn't cost more time than posting it so that shouldn't be a problem.

I love the way it is organized, and don't forget that when new reviews are posted it is announced. And this way producers can immediately see how they generally did because all the reviews for their films are together.

It might have been a tad faster, but the little delay doesn't hurt anyone, now does it? If it was a matter of days I would definitely say you are right, but RS is working very hard to do this.

You can still debate about a review (debate, not trash!) on the message boards or, if you just want clarification on the review, via pm.

That there are so many admins is because we don't want to put all the workload on one man like what happened in FM. Though RS does a lot of the work, others are doing their bit making this site run as solidly as possible. Josh was a freak in the most positive sense of the word, but we believe that if we all do something the site will work as good as it can with no Josh to run the show. That's why there are so many admins. Believe me when I say that admins, basically, don't have any advantages in this game whatsoever.

If there are problems with the viewability of that part of the site then people should tell the admins that and we will make try our hardest to make everything work. If we don't know anything, we can't help it.

If it seems that so little reviews are coming out lately then it isn't because of the Critic's Corner, but because RS hasn't received any. So be sure to send them in! It doesn't take any more of an effort than posting it!

And, as said, if you want to have a discussion over a review (discussion, not a fight!) then PM the reviewer or post it on the boards (but keep it clean and respectable!).

But Misio, thanks for putting this under our attention and if there are problems with viewability or with anything else, please say it so we can help you. That's important. So thanks for pointing that out Misio. And I can assure you that reviews aren't edited to the extent that your tone is toned down or something (unless it's plain rude of course, always show respect to the producer).

Feedback is always useful and it brings things under our attention that might've escaped us. So keep the feedback and reviews coming! Because there's only use for a critic's corner if reviews keep coming in! (and yeah, I'm working on it, be patient. ;) )
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All pages on the critics corner have been updated with TEXT (non flash) links for anyone who might have been having problems with the pages. :)

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