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| Haloheroine | Nov 19 2010, 10:18 PM Post #1 |
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Hello, students (lol. I’m totally speaking like this the whole time). If you are here, you are here to learn about the theory behind VCVs, as well as the technical side, such as recording, otoing and using them. I will be uploading a new study topic one a week, until I have everything covered. Please do not be afraid to ask questions or request lessons. If needed, I will put videos up as required. First, how these lessons will work. I will explain the study topic, to the best of my ability, using text, downloads and visual aids. Afterward, I will set a simple homework task for you who are interested. They will need to hand in the tasks for marking, unless specified. If particularly good, I may upload as an example. By the time I’m done with these lessons, the Homework should be enough walkthroughs and tasks for a whole Voice Bank to be created. I will do these lessons in order of how you create VCVs (understanding, using, choosing reclist/type, setting up folders, recording, otoing, aliasing, tweaking, distributing. Of course, this probably doesn’t cover everything, I’ll remember more later). So. First up is a quick history lesson, examples and how they work, then we will go on to Reclists. Reclists will involve a comparison of the Reclists from an Audio, Visual and Difficulty perspective. It will also debate Romaji vs. Kana, and Lite vs. Full. And so, without further ado, let’s get on to lesson one! Edited by Haloheroine, Nov 19 2010, 10:40 PM.
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| Haloheroine | Nov 19 2010, 10:24 PM Post #2 |
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| Haloheroine | Nov 19 2010, 10:25 PM Post #3 |
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Homework None currently available. Edited by Haloheroine, Nov 19 2010, 10:37 PM.
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| Haloheroine | Nov 19 2010, 10:27 PM Post #4 |
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Resources and Other Tutorials None currently. Edited by Haloheroine, Dec 19 2010, 07:23 PM.
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| Haloheroine | Nov 20 2010, 08:22 PM Post #5 |
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History of VCVs The VCV (also wrongly known as Triphonics and Triphones) method of recording is a method of recording developed by AmeyaP to create more realistic Vocals in UTAU. The first of these lists to be released was, of course, AmeyaP’s own, Momone Momo’s VCV set, released with “Kenka Wakare”. This was a “Lite” reclist. A Lite reclist is a list that can sound very good in most places; however, it does not cover all the sounds needed for even a basic UST, and thus goes back to CV quality in some areas. The first UTAUloid to follow suit was Otodamaya., although, she never gained immense popularity, and her creator seemed to only just understand the concept of using VCV. The next announced was the now popular Shirakane Hiyori. She was Lite, as well, but her creator had written her list from scratch… The link, and first video, however, was just her creator talking. xD Her REAL VCV demo is here: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm7919682 Most of the rest of the banks around this time were mostly just tests or curious people… Although Suiga Sora, Todoroki Eiichi and Kanipan, Yufu, Supune Niku and LOKE were also released around this time… Kasane Teto was the next famous VCV Update Bank to be released (So much for following the VIPs, they were actually LATE on this one). She, too, had only a Lite list, based on AmayaPs, I believe. A lot of overseas users COMPLAINED about the new Voice Bank, complaining it no longer sounded like Teto, and was TOO smooth and human. Start VCV hate. But also, she was the first UTAUloid that the overseas community actually realized had VCV recordings, and she kicked off the ”VCV trend”… Which no-one would ACTUALLY understand until a VERY long time later. Of course, I’m setting out to help remedy this. However, two days after Teto’s first VCV demo was uploaded, Namine Ritsu’s first trick videos were uploaded, and of course, with these came 7-syllable VCV Standalone lists (Although Ritsu was first to popularize it, LOKE actually had the first standalone list, I believe… had a different Reclist, however). And this was the beginning of something new and wonderful… How They Work VCV is actually quite simple. You take a string of four to eight (in the case of Uzne Hito, who was released last month with an 8-mora, or 8-syllable, reclist) kana, such as ”くかこきこ”. By configuring the bank in a certain way (which I will explain later), you allow that sample to be divided into "- く”, ”u か”, ”a こ”, ”o き”,and ”i こ”. One you have done that, you can simply use the CV>VCV plugin if needed, fit the UST to your oto file, and there you go. No more editing should be required if the otos are correct, contrary to common belief. Some people ask why they can't just record the samples as the separate kana, instead of syllable groups all the way down the list, but the reason they are compiled in groups of sounds is to limit file size and prevent lag, as, separately, there are well over 1,000 sounds in a complete standalone VCV bank. Also, I will tell you now to save trouble later, VCV banks have uniform otos all the way down the list. Please save yourself the trouble, and set these in MS Word, too. They should look something like this (I will use a fake example): *insert number here*,300,-500,200,100 This is merely to make configuring easier, and reconfiguring even moreso. Okay, next up is Romaji vs. Hiragana and Lite vs. Full~ Edited by Haloheroine, Dec 19 2010, 07:16 PM.
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| Haloheroine | Nov 20 2010, 08:27 PM Post #6 |
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Romaji vs. Hiragana While this debate is rather obvious in CV (Romaji; so more people can use it, but you can also have Hiragana aliases, making it easy for everyone), in VCV it is less so. This is because in VCV, the aliases usually used for the hiragana counterparts for the Romaji… would be taken by the Romaji, as that is how you go about splitting VCV syllables up. Also, since there is no Romaji CV to Romaji VCV converter, it’s less likely people will bother to take the time to click, press V and then select the required name for every note in a UST… This is not aided by the fact that a lot of people with VCV-phobia and VCV-hate are people without Hiragana compatibility, and thus wouldn’t use the VCVs anyway, Romaji or not. But, still, there are some people out there that wish they too could use your UTAUloids VCVs on their computer, so if you absolutely MUST have all your bases covered (and you have a lot of time and a Lite list), use Romaji. If you want to make your life easier, and not have to alias your VCVs twice over, then use hiragana. |
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| Haloheroine | Nov 20 2010, 09:04 PM Post #7 |
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Lite vs. Standalone I’m not going to lie, I’m actually really biased towards this subject. I want everyone to create Standalone VCV Banks. Now now, don’t turn around and say that the recordings are easier to say in Lite banks, there’s LOKEs and Taya’s lists out there, too (which are 6-mora and 5-mora respectively, I believe), and they are both Standalone. However, Lite lists are perfectly capable of sounding good, as much as I hate to admit it. The pros of using Standalone are that they are generally much smoother, as they have enough recordings to cover a whole UST, rather than just some. They are also a LOT more user friendly, unless you recorded oddly. There’s also a lot of choice when it comes to Reclists. The cons are that the lists are longer than any Lite lists, but that’s actually about it. …I need someone to help me on this one, actually. Since I just automatically go “STANDALONE”. |
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| Haloheroine | Dec 19 2010, 06:04 PM Post #8 |
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RESERVE Choosing your list. NOW. I will do a reclist comparison here, EVENTUALLY. For now, all I will say is that Standalone is the way to go. 5+3 mora (syllable) Lists: Sukone Tei I'm not sure, but there is a 3 mora list available for download on Koumi Sens site. 5 mora: Taya LOKE 7 mora: Ritsu 8 mora: Uzne Hito ...Kind of Matsuda Poiyo? I'm not sure whether he uses Uznes list or not. There is probably more, I will add them later. |
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| mya | Dec 19 2010, 06:29 PM Post #9 |
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Small correction: It's not Oto Tamashiiya, it's Otodamaya. Otherwise thanks for the wonderful write-up~ |
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| Haloheroine | Dec 19 2010, 07:14 PM Post #10 |
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@mya Thank you ; U;'' I was totally not sure about that one. |
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