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The UTAU Doctor ;D
Topic Started: Oct 4 2011, 04:16 PM (1,523 Views)
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annamaeblythe
Oct 6 2011, 07:58 PM
The first voice was pretty soft and had a random horrible pitchbend.
Actually, bad pitchbending seems to be a theme in this video.
It has a pretty noticeable accent, and I dislike noticeable accents 8D
and, that's all I really noticed.
The pitchbends and pronunciation were pretty bad.
And it was kind of choppy, but that's CV, so I guess there's no avoiding that. I didn't listen closely for that because I have kind of lost the ability to take CV seriously = 3=

SOLUTION? Study Japanese hard and do VCV.

Ah, enjoyed your semblance of tact.
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I don't plan to study Japanese [and I'm Asian anyhow, my accent will be noticeable].
I don't plan to do VCV since I don't believe that having a VCV will automatically grant smoothness.
^ I have seen very good covers / originals out there, however. I'm not knowledgeable in the matter.
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[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIAwb-e-Bcc&feature=channel_video_title[/utube] Could you judge the pronunciation please?
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@Sekai
I sense sarcasm.
Anyway, I told this to someone when they said something like that.
When you hear someone singing in your native language and they're doing it completely wrong, do you think it sounds that great? When your UTAU sings a preoffered UST you got from nico, it's singing in Japanese. If they sound heavily accented, they're singing in Japanese -poorly.-
Learning how to pronounce Japanese right isn't hard, and if you're not willing to do that, then you have -no right- to claim that you work -so hard- with UTAU. And, I wouldn't say that to most people, but I saw you bitching about it on several occasions.
And, guess what, if you make crappy VCV with an accent, it won't be smooth. It will be crappy. And if you aren't willing to work on that accent, it will be crappy.

@Cheese
/skips to random part in the middle out of habit
The consonants are a little hard to hear, and I think that might be because you cut the green line too far in, but that's just a wild guess.
I have a hard time doing my usual "ACCENT ACCENT ACCENT" on you, because you have to be straining to get up there.
I mean, I couuuld- But I would feel a little bad about it.
It does have an accent.
It's not horrible, but it's there.
But the U is the worst part. And I can't tell much about the consonants o 3o
It's okay for an overseas and all, but I would ask "IMPROVE AND VCV :D !" because I'm all "VCV :D"
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Dr. Blythe, I have 3 patients for you to examine.

The first one I am almost completely positive has something wrong in the way it's pronounced somewhere (Besides り which my version of an UTAU achilles heel). It's CV so consider yourself warned.

This is probably the most pure recording of her i.e. Voice vs. Music / Effects / Harmonies
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This next one is still in beta. I'm still working on a flag / equalization setting that will tone it down a little. It may also suffer from a little bit of talking too loud into the mic syndrome. ><; Any comments you have on strange pronouciation are welcome. (Another CV *Is shot*)
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And finally, also in beta, a VCV sample for you to take a look at. (Also probably suffers from being too loud while recording syndrome)
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Hmm, Miss Misa, I think we have a problem of being-too-adorable-itis, with a bit of acute newb-mixing. I think she can pull through the being-too-adorable-itis if we can just stabilize her vowel pronunciation. Only a lot of work and practice can save you from your own mixing. (As a note, this case of being-too-adorable-itis isn't fatal an may be a very, very good thing later on. She doesn't hurt my ears. she makes me want to reach into the computer and hug the thing the sound is coming from.)
Her consonants aren't that bad, other than some seeming a bit too loud.

I didn't hear any clipping, and only clipping makes me think that it was too loud :P

The VCV sample... The consonants are a bit hard to hear, but I think that might be because of faulty OTOing. (they aren't just soft, they're all quickened up like, well, the red line went in too far.)
The accent kind of detracts from it, but the accent is slightly better than the CV.

I'm afraid that trying to cure too-adorable-itis never works out too well when it's going good for you. I don't suggest voice-acting to be cute, but I don't suggest voice acting to be cute. I don't suggest voice acting.
For pronunciation, I like to just hand out this link: http://utaforum.co.cc/topic/9131141/1/#new
For mixing, I suggest this video and a stern warning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flR94ZCRFkw
Reverb is a crutch. Reverb may make you think it sounds better, but it actually just does the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do when you're mixing. When you're mixing, you want the voice to seamlessly fit into the off vocal. Reverb makes it just kind of lay on top of the track.

If you don't mind, can you show me a screenshot of some of her VCV OTOs? I want to see if my theory is right :P
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annamaeblythe
Oct 6 2011, 07:58 PM
The first voice was pretty soft and had a random horrible pitchbend.
Actually, bad pitchbending seems to be a theme in this video.
It has a pretty noticeable accent, and I dislike noticeable accents 8D
and, that's all I really noticed.
The pitchbends and pronunciation were pretty bad.
And it was kind of choppy, but that's CV, so I guess there's no avoiding that. I didn't listen closely for that because I have kind of lost the ability to take CV seriously = 3=

SOLUTION? Study Japanese hard and do VCV.
Oh my...spoilered cause I ranted by accident. I'm sorry.

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I'm afraid it would be near impossible for me to cure the being-too-adorable-itis even if I tried because the voicebanks are recorded with my default speaking voice. :uhm: I guess we'll just have to leave that problem alone and focus on the more troubling issues.

Here's the screen shot Link. Maybe there's just too much space between notes or something? Or is the red line supposed to go before the consonant?
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Oct 6 2011, 09:22 PM
Oh my...spoilered cause I ranted by accident. I'm sorry.

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Iris, you don't complain that you work ~~~~sooo hard~~~~ on UTAU and don't get as many views as people who ~~~don't work as hard~~~

And, I can honestly tell you that CV > VCV is not a process. CV and VCV are actually not related at all when it comes to OTOing or recording. Saying it's a process is kind of like saying that eating potato chips and eating steaks is a process. Well, they're both food stuff and you eat them, but they're not actually -that similar or go in that order for any logical reason.-

I understand that not everyone is going to be up to VCV- But here's the thing, if you're going to have the balls to complain about other people getting more views when you think that you work harder, you are NOT allowed to piddle around with CV.
If you said "I'm not into VCV, I don't have the time." I would be more than willing to throw an OTOing tutorial of mine at you and say "compare the lines." (it actually is just a bunch of pictures with text, so it's easier than it sounds---)
Why? Because you don't complain about things like that.

And if someone can't get CV right, why should they do VCV?
Because I couldn't get CV right. At all.
But guess what I could get right before I got CV right? VCV.
Yes, Hoke and Yesi taught me OTOing. But I didn't understand what the lines meant until VCV. I couldn't explain it, and I couldn't do it that well until after VCV. If I never started VCV until I perfected CV, I wouldn't have ever started VCV.

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I like you, Iris.
You're like me.
We lack tact and then try to tack on "I'M NOT FLAMING, OK???" and get confused when that doesn't work.
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Oct 6 2011, 09:35 PM
I'm afraid it would be near impossible for me to cure the being-too-adorable-itis even if I tried because the voicebanks are recorded with my default speaking voice. :uhm: I guess we'll just have to leave that problem alone and focus on the more troubling issues.

Here's the screen shot Link. Maybe there's just too much space between notes or something? Or is the red line supposed to go before the consonant?
DEAR LORD
If that's your default speaking voice, then study Japanese hard.
Why?
Because your voice is so adorable, and I want you to make an amazing bank with it, and then I want to take it, hug it, and then use it.
But if it's all accenty, I won't be able to use it that well ; 3;

Well, Your OTOs are pretty wrong.
And there pretty much is too much empty space.
Basically, my VCV method is this.
I can give you a bank to reference sample length from that uses the list I give out.
Copy the timing of a Japanese VCV bank and record.
Put the OTO that came with the list into the bank.
Open the editor.
Move the blue line so that the red is RIGHT between the consonant and the vowel. (on the beginning of the vowel after the consonant.)
The green line should be on the vowel before the consonant, hopefully where it is still kind of full. If it's not, you recorded with too much of a pause.
And, the trick is... ONLY move the blue line. ONLY move the first blue line in all of the samples.

And, I am super picky so I actually use spectrograph view and test it with the "move-the-blue-line-over-then-press-preview" trick to see if all of the consonant is out. I put the red line where if you move a tiny bit < way, you can hear consonant, but where you are, there is NO consonant.
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Yeah that's why I spoilered...I was trying to be nice but...ended...up...ranting and raving when I shouldn't have :annoyed: So I'm sorry.

I said it was a process cause erm...it was for me. I couldn't understand a lick of VCV until I got CV down. Like...at all. No matter how many tutorials I watched I didn't understand until I finally got CV to sound right. Then everything else seemed to click. Truth be told though...VCV just is not my thing right now. And I guess after reading what you said I know why.

I don't care what others think of Iris. I like her the way she is. Really I do. I'm not looking for views or "popularity"(I put that in quotes cause some peoples definition...it is what it is).
I just like making songs with her and other UTAUs. Specifically her friends. I also like writing about her and her friends but that's an entirely different story.
And I forget that not everyone is like that. Some people are out for the popularity. I don't know who is and who isn't but still...they're out there. So whatever...it is what it is. I shouldn't have said anything.

Anyway you've listened to me, I've listened to you. It's youtube all over again what do you know? XD Maybe I should just stop butting in. -goes back to her fanfiction-
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