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| A possible encoding for English VBs | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 5 2011, 05:15 PM (1,242 Views) | |
| tady159 | Oct 5 2011, 05:15 PM Post #1 |
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I usually do very useless stuff, and this idea came from this behavior. I was randomly looking for English spelling reform proposals, and I saw this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoundSpel Then I was like "Hm... interesting." And then "Oh, wait! This may work to encode a VB in English!" And here's the idea of the topic. BUUUUT. I think that a VB wouldn't use the raw list of that page itslef, but rather a slightly adapted. I will leave an idea of the contents a VB should have~~ Vowels: "a" as in "sat" "e" as in "set" "i" as in "did" "o" as in "dot" "u" as in "cut" "ae" as in "sundae" "ee" as in "see" "ie" as in "die" "oe" as in "toe" "ar" as in "bar" "er" as in "merger" "or" as in "for" "err" as in "cherry" "eer" as in "beer" "oo" as in "moon" "uu" as in "book" "oi" as in "boil" "ou" as in "out" "au" as in "saw" "ur" as in "tour" Consonants: (the most obvious I'll simply list them without examples) b k d f h l m n ng p r s sh t v w y z "ch" as in "chat" "g" as in "gag" "j" as in "jet" "th" as in "thin" "dh" as in "this" "zh" as in "azure" "x" as in "box" Well. That's it. I'm NOT saying "Come on everyone! Let's ALL make lists out of this thing!" Of course not. But this may be a good starting point for anyone who wants to make an English VB, but doesn't know WHERE to start from and doesn't know any of proper phonetics to use X-SAMPA. I think that this list is kinda raw, and it could (or not) be more refined, just to have less letters for some sounds. Edited by tady159, Oct 5 2011, 05:50 PM.
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| annamaeblythe | Oct 5 2011, 05:25 PM Post #2 |
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I don't really know why, but I liked X-SAMPA a lot when NYAL used it. This isn't that far from X-SAMPA. It's just streamlined for English, as far as I can see ![]() That actually notates out diphthongs, but from what I've seen, those actually are kind of awkward when you try to record those and put them in UTAU like a normal V or CV sample, so it's kind of easier just to construct them from the pure vowels o 3o |
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| tady159 | Oct 5 2011, 05:30 PM Post #3 |
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Most people don't have ANY phonetic instruction, so to tell them to use X-SAMPA is the same thing to tell a blind to read a print text. It will lead to nothing, and lots of confusion. I'm also pretty fond of X-SAMPA. But as I just said, it can only be applied to FEW people. |
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| Aleksandr | Oct 5 2011, 05:40 PM Post #4 |
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This would be used to make an english reclist for beginners, I think. Like giving someone a romaji reclist over a hiragana one, sure you COULD go look up hiragana and learn it, but it's easier just to have the romaji reclist and then alias it later with hiragana. |
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| tady159 | Oct 5 2011, 06:10 PM Post #5 |
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To emulate a more natural pronunciation for American speakers, I was thinking about adding a sort of second "r" to this list, like the "t" in the word "whatever". But this may create some confusion for some people... And even though this system could be very subjective to the user pronunciation, I think it kinda puts Brittish accent in disadvantage regarding the rhotic diphthongs... even though some of them are still diphthongs. |
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| Aleksandr | Oct 5 2011, 06:25 PM Post #6 |
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Hmm, well with "whatever" I would use a normal "wa - at" but just change the envelope around the t to make it less strong. or even just use a "wa - ad" |
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| tady159 | Oct 5 2011, 06:28 PM Post #7 |
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Yeah. I already saw people using the "d" for this case. I tested this on UTAU once, and if you use a short "vowel + l" (this "l" as the initial "l", not the final one" + a following note with "d + vowel" emulates quite well the intended "r", but... idk... Oh yes. The difference between the initial "l" (as in "like") and the final "l" (as in "melt") is another issue to think of... |
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| KaelemGaen | Oct 5 2011, 11:04 PM Post #8 |
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To lessen confusion I'd either change the font face in that post to something with Serifs (If you can..) or just use a capital L. As for the actual topic on hand, this is the first time I've ever heard of SoundSpel (mind you I'm teaching myself in X-sampa (thank you Ñal)) And need to look into it more, but it definitely does look good for encoding a VB or just as an alternate Alias list for an X-sampa-based sample names. |
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| tady159 | Oct 6 2011, 05:26 AM Post #9 |
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Unfortunately, the font can't be changed here. But if you copy-paste to a text editor, this can be solved easily. I said this before, but I'll make it clearer now: for MY PERSONAL reclists, I DO use X-SAMPA. But it's not everyone who can udnerstand it, nor have knowledge on phonology. And English has a pretty complex phonetics. When I started studying it, I got VERY confused, cause the more I tried to understand, the less I did xD But just now is that I'm being able to put everything together. And, if you make a person with no phonetic instruction look at X-SAMPA, he/she won't even know WHAT to do with all those letters. And this encoding system is meant to be subjective to the user pronunciation, different from X-SAMPA which is VERY objective, and would need to be adapted to the user (UNLESS you'd keep the erroneous encoding on purpose; similar to VOCALOID) And X-SAMPA can't be used SO EASILY to encode the FILE NAMES, since they aren't case-sensitive, nor can use "\". But this problem can be avoided kinda easily. |
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| Peachbite | Oct 6 2011, 07:40 AM Post #10 |
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I have an english CV list if anyone wants it? I am always updating it. |
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