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Guo Huai; The Sickly Minister
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Topic Started: Jan 6 2012, 07:33 AM (666 Views)
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Jan 6 2012, 07:33 AM
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PP boleh Gran, Guo Jia still No.1
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Guo Huai is a new character who was introduced in Dynasty Warriors 7. Before his playable appearance, he was a Wei NPC since Dynasty Warriors 3. He was promoted numerous times during Cao Pi's reign of Wei. At the Battle of Mt. Ding Jun, he collected and stabilized the remnants of Xiahou Yuan's armies.
For his Dynasty Warriors counterpart, his height is 176 cm (5'9").
Personality Guo Huai is truly a reliable warrior to have on the battlefront. While eager to carry out to his duties, he conducts himself with modesty. Dedicating his every being to his country, he completely ignores his own health for his duty and he practically tiptoes death's door each time he forces himself. His zealous loyalty, while appreciated, worries ally and foe alike. Ma Dai and Xing Cai in particular feel a bit ashamed if they fight him. Aside from his duty, Guo Huai is a rather humble man who wishes to keep living another day. He mainly fights because he feels there is no other option for him in wartime.
While in service during Cao Cao's reign, Xiahou Yuan cheered him up when he doubted his lord's purpose to take Han Zhong. Xiahou Yuan's optimism and courage lead to Guo Huai's admiration for him. He is grateful that Sima Yi continued to support him after Xiahou Yuan's death. Sima Yi's confidence let him continue to fight in his departed commander's memory as opposed to an early retirement. He feels he can't forgive Xiahou Ba for turning his back on his father, yet he simultaneously grieves the irony of having to kill the youth for it.
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Oct 1 2014, 07:13 AM
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Bagi orang yang baru main DW7 atau DW8, mungkin akan memandang sebelah mata terhadap karakter satu ini(salah satunya abang saya). Tapi, dia termasuk karakter yang 'survival' untuk dimainkan di Ambitions Mode(level hard). Makanya dia level max.
Mungkin cuma saya, tapi kayaknya 'sickly'nya Guo terlalu dipakai. Maksud saya, dia cuma sakit 2 kali(seingat saya) dan dia meninggal waktu berumur 80-an*cmiiw*. Kalau gitu, kenapa enggak buat Cao Cao 'sickly' juga? Dia berpenyakit tumor. Cao Cao: "This post just give me a tumor."
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Oct 3 2014, 11:23 AM
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Um,correction. Guo Huai meninggal di umur 65 tahun. Ada di historical record KOEI Wikia.
Sakit,ya,dia meninggal karena sakit. Jadi emang dia sakit-sakitan. Dan Jiang Wei berani melawan dia,itu...sangat bodoh.
Aku main DW7,dan aku langsung main story Jin. Aku emang menganggap kakek ini,kurang bagus.(mengingat aku pernah kira kakek tua ini bakal punya senjata yang jelek,tradisi game RPG) but no! Aku pakai dia sekali,dan aku langsung kepincut 
sayangnya,sejarah dia kurang cukup diceritakan. Kurang dikenalkan,dan dipandang sebelah mata
aku menciptakan sebuah proyek yang mungkin akan mengenalkannya. Aku sedang hiatus,tapi aku usahakan untuk kembali.
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Oct 3 2014, 12:32 PM
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Um,correction. Guo Huai meninggal di umur 65 tahun. Ada di historical record KOEI Wikia. Sakit,ya,dia meninggal karena sakit. Jadi emang dia sakit-sakitan. Dan Jiang Wei berani melawan dia,itu...sangat bodoh. Aku main DW7,dan aku langsung main story Jin. Aku emang menganggap kakek ini,kurang bagus.(mengingat aku pernah kira kakek tua ini bakal punya senjata yang jelek,tradisi game RPG) but no! Aku pakai dia sekali,dan aku langsung kepincut  sayangnya,sejarah dia kurang cukup diceritakan. Kurang dikenalkan,dan dipandang sebelah mata aku menciptakan sebuah proyek yang mungkin akan mengenalkannya. Aku sedang hiatus,tapi aku usahakan untuk kembali. Saya kenal Guo Huai dari tumblr pertama kali. Melihat desainnya, dia menarik. Apalagi lihat senjata dia yang melenceng dari sejarah. Dan saya membeli Dynasty Warrior 8. Awalnya saya iseng - iseng aja makai Guo Huai pas main Ambition Mode(karena saya sering mati pas makai orang lain ) dan dia bisa nambah HP sendiri! Enggak hanya itu, seingat saya di stage mengejar Xiahou Ba, interaksi dia dengan Xiahou Ba membuat saya makin tertarik dengan dia, like father and son relationship ~
Projek apa? Kasih tahu dong. Saya penasaran >w<
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Oct 3 2014, 12:50 PM
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Kamu cek di "SoniCanvas corner",ada koleksi art disana. Aku juga punya deviantART,serta Tumblr. Aku menyebutnya,"The Guo Huai Initiative"
oke. Itu OOT aku juga tau dia punya musou yang nambah HP sendiri. Agak mirip dengan Pang Tong,tapi dia juga nyerang lawan. Aku naksir sama combo-nya,dan ngeliat sejarahnya dari Tumblr 3kfunfacts, jempol banget deh! Ending mati dipanah Jiang Wei di kepala,seperti dipaksakan. Seakan Jiang Wei tidak punya hormat sama orang tua. Politik yang berlebihan...
fans Jiang Wei,you're not gonna like this F*** YOUR BENEVOLENCE,JIANG WEI!!! YOU KILL MY GRANDPA!!! :mad:
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Oct 3 2014, 02:08 PM
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Kamu cek di "SoniCanvas corner",ada koleksi art disana. Aku juga punya deviantART,serta Tumblr. Aku menyebutnya,"The Guo Huai Initiative" oke. Itu OOT aku juga tau dia punya musou yang nambah HP sendiri. Agak mirip dengan Pang Tong,tapi dia juga nyerang lawan. Aku naksir sama combo-nya,dan ngeliat sejarahnya dari Tumblr 3kfunfacts, jempol banget deh! Ending mati dipanah Jiang Wei di kepala,seperti dipaksakan. Seakan Jiang Wei tidak punya hormat sama orang tua. Politik yang berlebihan... fans Jiang Wei,you're not gonna like this F*** YOUR BENEVOLENCE,JIANG WEI!!! YOU KILL MY GRANDPA!!! :mad: Ini ending di DW 7? Saya no komen mengenai ini. Tapi, kalau endingnya di historical path(DW8), (sebelum saya belum mengetahui alasannya Xiahou Ba pindah ke Shu.) saya sempat kesal sama Xiahou Ba/Jiang Wei. y u do dis? u just broke mah heart ;__; OOT : Saya dah cek dan saya mulai menyadari gambar saya jelek Saya suka projeknya. Lanjutkan! *ala pak SBY*
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Oct 3 2014, 02:50 PM
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Yup,tapi adegan memanahnya disensor. Dan panahnya ga ada di kepala. Aku memakluminya,karena game ini rate PG-12,jadi gaboleh ada gore.
Dan sayang sekali,di Story Mode DW7 aku cuma bisa pakai kakek Huai sekali. Itupun langsung mati  sisanya,pake keluarga Sima,terutama Sima Zhao.
Padahal,aku suka liat dada yang tinggal tulang. Itu anti-mainstream dibanding Sima Zhao yang desainnya selalu tunjukin abs-nya.
Aku seperti pengen ngeremukin itu tulang,saking pengen kupeluk 
terima kasih atas support-nya. Aku lagi hiatus,karena lagi fokus sama genderbend. Mungkin nanti aku bakal sempatkan balik ke proyek itu.
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Oct 3 2014, 03:27 PM
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Yup,tapi adegan memanahnya disensor. Dan panahnya ga ada di kepala. Aku memakluminya,karena game ini rate PG-12,jadi gaboleh ada gore. Dan sayang sekali,di Story Mode DW7 aku cuma bisa pakai kakek Huai sekali. Itupun langsung mati  sisanya,pake keluarga Sima,terutama Sima Zhao. Padahal,aku suka liat dada yang tinggal tulang. Itu anti-mainstream dibanding Sima Zhao yang desainnya selalu tunjukin abs-nya. Aku seperti pengen ngeremukin itu tulang,saking pengen kupeluk  terima kasih atas support-nya. Aku lagi hiatus,karena lagi fokus sama genderbend. Mungkin nanti aku bakal sempatkan balik ke proyek itu. Sayang sekali. Padahal lebih seru kalau DW dibuat lebih 'suram'.*dihajar seforum* Menurut saya, cerita 3 kingdoms ini 'suram', banyak yang bunuh diri, bunuh - bunuhan, dll. Salah satunya adalah ketika Cao Mao mau ngebunuh Sima Zhao, namun salah satu anak buahnya Jia Chong membunuh Cao Mao dan anak perempuannya. Chen Tai yang cukup dekat dengan keluarga Cao langsung menghampirin mayat mereka yang berlumuran darah dan menangisinnya(dan memeluknya juga boleh*enggak boleh asal cablak, woy!*). Chen Tai meminta Sima Zhao untuk menghukum Jia Chong, namun Sima Zhao menolak. Chen Taipun meninggal karena stress berlebihan. (aduh, maaf kalau OOT.)
Sayang sekali di DW8 hampir sama =___= Keluarga Sima dan Jia Chong cukup terkenal ya.
Tenyata bukan saya saja yang suka dadanya Guo Huai Sayang banget di DW8 udah ditutupin karena tidak barokah.
Pesan saya hanya selalu semangat ya!
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Oct 3 2014, 09:59 PM
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di DW8 ga terlalu kok. Maksudku,emang ketutup sama robe-nya,tetep aja keliatan jangan-jangan kita para penggemar oji-san,dan nijikon sampe maksa nge-pair sama Zhang He
ternyata kita sama,tapi berbeda. Mwehehehe...*dihajar*
aku bingung dia imutnya ada dimana. Tapi,cerita-ceritanya yang terbilang bertolak belakang dengan rata-rata chara Jin,bikin kita mengerti bahwa masi ada segelintir orang baik di antara mereka,ataupun chara Wei yang (dianggap) jahat.
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Oct 3 2014, 11:06 PM
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di DW8 ga terlalu kok. Maksudku,emang ketutup sama robe-nya,tetep aja keliatan jangan-jangan kita para penggemar oji-san,dan nijikon sampe maksa nge-pair sama Zhang He
ternyata kita sama,tapi berbeda. Mwehehehe...*dihajar*
aku bingung dia imutnya ada dimana. Tapi,cerita-ceritanya yang terbilang bertolak belakang dengan rata-rata chara Jin,bikin kita mengerti bahwa masi ada segelintir orang baik di antara mereka,ataupun chara Wei yang (dianggap) jahat. Mungkin saja Tapi, hubungan Zhang He dan Guo Huai emang menarik menurut. Zhang He(dan Sima Yi dan Xiahou Yuan) bagaikan mentor bagi Guo Huai(yang akan mengambil pangkat yang banyak.). Walaupun Zhang He sering mutar - mutar kayak penari balet(Di DW), tapi, Guo Huai hormat banget dengan Zhang He, dan hormatnya bukan hanya melihat Zhang He sebagai 'jendral yang hebat', tapi 'orang yang hebat' yang memperlakukan dia dan prajurit - prajuritnya dengan baik.
Senyumnya itu yang bikin imut. Menurut saya, senyumannya orang yang wajahnya enggak 'friendly'(kayak Dian Wei, Wei Yan, Zhong Hui, bahkan Dong Zhuopun) bikin melting sendiri.  Iya. Saya suka saja melihat cerita Jin melalui sudut pandangnya Guo Huai. Menurut saya dia cukup neutral di DW walaupun sejarah aslinya dia termasuk Sima Side. Saya ingin melihat Jin melalui sudut pandang orang yang support Sima(Jia Chong dan Shi Bao.), netral(Guo Huai.) dan orang yang enggak ngesupport Sima/Sima Zhao(Zhuge Dan, Guanqiu Jian, Xiahou Xuan.)
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Oct 4 2014, 01:53 AM
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Kalau dilihat dari sudut pandang Jia Chong, KOEi terlalu menggambarkan dia sebagai orang yang dingin nan bengis, meski di satu sisi dia terbilang misterius.
Kakek Huai ga pandang bulu soal kawan atau lawan. Aku udah liat itu,namun dia juga gabisa diam kalau masalah perang, meski sakit sekalipun dan Deng Ai juga udah ngelarang karena takut kondisinya parah(Di DW7). Tapi, begitulah Guo Huai. Dia pantang menyerah dan aku salut banget sama semangatnya meski sudah banyak melalui sakit hati demi sakit hati karena kehilangan banyak hal.
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Oct 4 2014, 02:51 AM
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Kalau dilihat dari sudut pandang Jia Chong, KOEi terlalu menggambarkan dia sebagai orang yang dingin nan bengis, meski di satu sisi dia terbilang misterius.
Kakek Huai ga pandang bulu soal kawan atau lawan. Aku udah liat itu,namun dia juga gabisa diam kalau masalah perang, meski sakit sekalipun dan Deng Ai juga udah ngelarang karena takut kondisinya parah(Di DW7). Tapi, begitulah Guo Huai. Dia pantang menyerah dan aku salut banget sama semangatnya meski sudah banyak melalui sakit hati demi sakit hati karena kehilangan banyak hal. Kita tidak tahu motifnya secara pasti mengapa dia melakukan hal - hal yang kotor. Apakah dia terpaksa atau dia memang dingin dan bengis? Itulah yang membuat dia misterius(menurut saya.)
Guo Huai bisa sama siapa saja(imo), bahkan dengan Zhong Hui yang narsistik ndewo dan Zhuge Dan yang sering butthurt*dihajar Zhuge Dan*(tapi saya suka Zhuge Dan ). Dia berperang meski dia dekat dengan kematian(bahkan Ma Dai dan Xing Cai merasa bersalah melawan Guo Huai, lol). Rasa penyesalan dan kehilangan mendasari perbuatannya(di DW).
Yeah, he lost a lot of thing that he loves(at least, he have his wife.). Give him cookie and french fries ;_;
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Oct 4 2014, 03:11 AM
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dan aku baru nyadar dia punya lima anak. Tapinya gatau siapa aja anaknya. Istrinya itu,adeknya Wang Lang kan?
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Oct 4 2014, 03:27 AM
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dan aku baru nyadar dia punya lima anak. Tapinya gatau siapa aja anaknya. Istrinya itu,adeknya Wang Lang kan? Setahu saya, salah satu anaknya ada yang ikut dengan dia di Wu Zhang plain. Saya kurang tahu siapa istrinya Guo Huai  Tapi, anaknya ada 5. Penampilannya aja yang kurang subur, tapi tenyata ... *dilempar batu*
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Oct 4 2014, 04:41 AM
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Ya, aku juga ga nyangka...*ditembak* Kalau kamu main DW7 di Conquest Mode, kamu bakal nemu banyak trivia ketika mencari seorang "Scholar". Aku nemu kalau istrinya itu adeknya Wang Ling(tidak ada hubungan dengan Wang Lang, kakeknya Wang Yuanji)
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Oct 4 2014, 04:49 AM
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bersiaplah untuk fangirlingan
Oke, ini salah satu guest art. Aku yang rikues, tapi setidaknya cukup menghibur kalau aku lagi down. Semoga saja, orang ini jadi desainer KOEI, dan DW9 tidak bermasalah lagi dengan Zhao Yun yang selalu di eringkat atas enam seri berturut-turut(lalu dipecahkan Wang Yuanji, tapi Zhao Yun muncul lagi di polling DW8)
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Oct 4 2014, 05:07 AM
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Ya, aku juga ga nyangka...*ditembak* Kalau kamu main DW7 di Conquest Mode, kamu bakal nemu banyak trivia ketika mencari seorang "Scholar". Aku nemu kalau istrinya itu adeknya Wang Ling(tidak ada hubungan dengan Wang Lang, kakeknya Wang Yuanji)
Saya enggak main Conquest Mode jadi kurang tahu soal itu.
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bersiaplah untuk fangirlingan Oke, ini salah satu guest art. Aku yang rikues, tapi setidaknya cukup menghibur kalau aku lagi down. Semoga saja, orang ini jadi desainer KOEI, dan DW9 tidak bermasalah lagi dengan Zhao Yun yang selalu di eringkat atas enam seri berturut-turut(lalu dipecahkan Wang Yuanji, tapi Zhao Yun muncul lagi di polling DW8)
Guo Huai pas muda. Padahal saya pikir Guo Huainya bakal jadi 'moe' gitu XD Asalkan ciri khasnya Guo Huai enggak dihapuskan, saya enggak masalah. Iya juga sih. Kayaknya banyak yang suka sama Zhao Yun, ya. Tapi, Wang Yuanji hebat juga. Dari berpuluh - puluh karakter, cuma dia yang menghancurkan rekornya Zhao Yun. O_O
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Oct 4 2014, 05:32 AM
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maaf,tapi posisi moe sudah diambil Xiahou Ba. Kalau menurutku, dia juga seperti Sima Yan,punya "inner beauty". Yang beda,dia gapunya "sensual intelligence" karena penampilannya sangat jelek *ditembak*
Setidaknya,aku menyukai sosok bishie ini. Aku bukan penyuka moe...
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Oct 4 2014, 05:40 AM
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maaf,tapi posisi moe sudah diambil Xiahou Ba. Kalau menurutku, dia juga seperti Sima Yan,punya "inner beauty". Yang beda,dia gapunya "sensual intelligence" karena penampilannya sangat jelek *ditembak*
Setidaknya,aku menyukai sosok bishie ini. Aku bukan penyuka moe... Penampilan Guo Huai enggak jelek - jelek amat. Enggak semuanya suka cowok moe atau bishie, kan? XD
Saya juga bukan penyuka moe. Tapi, entah kenapa saya sering ngebayangin Guo Huai pas mudanya moe gitu XD*dilempar batu bata sama Guo Huai*
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Oct 5 2014, 11:02 AM
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Betewe, aku juga liat post dari the-archlich(dan dia reblog salah satu karya gue!! )
Serius, aku shock dengan penggambaran dia tentang Guo Huai di DW
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Obviously, the thing Koei focuses on with Guo Huai is “he’s sick”. They get this way sometimes, where they pick one relatively insignificant aspect of a character and focus on that. Guo Huai is the sick guy; Huang Zhong is the old guy; Yuan Shao is the arrogant guy; Pang Tong is the seductive guy. I guess it comes from having more characters than they can easily handle. Why work hard on a character’s personality when they could just pick one single trait and just go with that? Oh, because that’d be better? Well, yeah, it would; but this is easier and Koei loves to do things the easy way. So most of Guo Huai’s dialogue is there to remind you “Hey everyone, I’m the sick guy!” What few lines he has that don’t, in some way, allude to his allegedly poor health are usually interrupted by coughing. And while “sickly guy” really isn’t a bad thing in and of itself, it’s really not a strong enough trait to be the main focus of a character. Furthermore, there were plenty of other prominent figures of the Three Kingdoms who were known for their chronically poor health. Lü Meng is a particularly good example. He was known to be ill pretty much all the time - he even used this to help him conquer Jing - but he’s not white as a ghost and coughing all the time.
Luckily for Guo Huai, while “sick guy” is his main thing, he has other traits as well.
The most important thing to me about Guo Huai is that he carries a whole lot of guilt. For reasons that will actually make perfect sense when I get to the historical Guo Huai, he feels responsible for Xiahou Yuan’s death. He feels incredibly guilty about it and this motivates him to use what little life he has to finish what Xiahou Yuan started and defend Wei against Shu. It also motivates him to keep an eye on Xiahou Yuan’s son. This guilt is only compounded with Xiahou Ba defects to Shu and Guo Huai is forced to fight him in order to protect Wei. I think what really seals the deal on all of this is that it’s very down-played. Guo Huai really doesn’t make a big deal out of it at all. He mentioned just enough about these things that players can understand how he feels, but he doesn’t throw a pity party for himself. Honestly, if you’re not looking for it, you might miss it entirely.
Dan juga versi sejarahnya.
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And yet, even if Koei tried their best, I kind of doubt that they could have a Guo Huai who is as epic as deserves to be. I really can’t exaggerate when talking about how incredible this man was. In Dynasty Warriors, Guo Huai is predominantly “the sick guy”. In history, he was an unstoppable, uncompromising, untouchable warmachine. In his day, Guo Huai was a living legend, one whose reputation was equal to the best in Wei; and that reputation was well earned. He was a math for such legendary Wei generals as Cao Ren, Zhang Liao, Man Chong, and Cao Zhen. At the height of his career, generals literally surrendered as soon as they heard he was on his way. Guo Huai was the king. Guo Huai had a lot of serious family trouble in 251. First, word came out that his brother-in-law, Wang Ling, had been plotting to depose Emperor Cao Fang and replaced him with Cao Biao, one of Cao Cao’s more talented sons. Having received word of this, Sima Yi led an army to Shouchun. Knowing that there was absolutely no way he would be able to beat Sima Yi, Wang Ling surrendered. Though officially pardoned, he committed suicide on the way to the capital. For plotting rebellion against the emperor, Sima Yi executed most of Wang Ling’s relatives - however, because of the long friendship between them and the incomparable service Guo Huai had rendered to Wei, Wang Ling’s sister (Guo Huai’s wife) was spared. Lady Wang left to attend her brother’s funeral and gather his personal effects, but along the way she was ambushed and captured by some of the Qiang and Hu tribes. Guo Huai received word of this and took his army to go and rescue his wife. Technically, this was an illegal thing for him to do - Shu had attacked almost yearly, and Guo Huai was abandoning his post to attend to personal matters. He sent a letter to Sima Yi that basically said, “Dude, I’m going to go save my wife because OF COURSE I AM. If you want to punishment for desertion or something, that’s fine, I don’t care. I’ll take all the blame - just as soon as I rescue my wife.” Upon receiving this letter, Sima Yi pardoned Guo Huai for abandoning his post because OF COURSE HE DID. So Guo Huai was able to save his wife and was not punished for doing so. How the hell am I supposed to sum up Guo Huai and his career? I mean…seriously. How am I supposed to go about doing that? For 50 years, Guo Huai served Wei and the Cao family. Though he started out as a minor official, his incredible talents quickly gained the attention of Cao Pi and Cao Cao. Time and time again, he proved himself to be a wise counselor. He served as the trusted right-hand of such illustrious generals as Xiahou Yuan, Zhang He, and Sima Yi. In time, he distinguished himself in his own right, proving to be one of the finest commanders of the Three Kingdoms. His military record is nothing short of phenomenal. He fought in more battles than almost any other general, and he won almost every single time. Time after time, year after year, Guo Huai demolished the enemies of Wei and he made it look easy. He ripped apart any army that had the audacity to oppose him, almost without effort. Short of supplanting the heads of the Sima family, he rose as high as anybody possibly could. Near the end of his death, he wisely left matters mostly in the hands of subordinates who were more than qualified to handle them, training worthy men to succeed him. At the time of his death, he was without question the most respected general in Wei, and probably in all of the Three Kingdoms. And I also think that it’s really, really important to note that he was willing to throw that all away to rescue his wife when she was in danger. Compared to her life and safety, his reputation, his rank, and even his life meant nothing to him. That’s a really, really important thing to remember about him. In all the three kingdoms, there are maybe five generals who I would consider his equals or betters. Even the likes of Ding Feng, Xu Huang, and Wei Yan could not compare to Guo Huai.
And that’s why I have kind of a problem with the Dynasty Warriors version. All by itself, there’s really nothing wrong with the character. They overplay the “sick guy” thing too much, but he’s got some other really great characteristics to make up for that. Now, I don’t know how Guo Huai is depicted in other sources, but the fact of the matter is that the historical Guo Huai was an unstoppable master of battle, one whose very name struck awe into friend and foe alike. The DW character simply does not do him justice. And the way that Koei uses this character is even worse. He’s barely playable in any of the stages and he barely appears in story mode. He was one of the most important generals in all of Wei/Jin, and he’s almost completely ignored. It also really tweaks me that he doesn’t really appear until the Jin story in spite of serving Wei since 205. It’s a damn crime because he deserves so, so much more. Guo Huai was the king. Shut up and bow.
Aku setuju sama dia. Kenapa, KOEI terlalu mempermainkan "saat sakit"nya, ketimbang "perjalanan hebat"nya? aku mati saja...
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Betewe, aku juga liat post dari the-archlich(dan dia reblog salah satu karya gue!!  ) Serius, aku shock dengan penggambaran dia tentang Guo Huai di DW - the-achlich Tumblr
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Obviously, the thing Koei focuses on with Guo Huai is “he’s sick”. They get this way sometimes, where they pick one relatively insignificant aspect of a character and focus on that. Guo Huai is the sick guy; Huang Zhong is the old guy; Yuan Shao is the arrogant guy; Pang Tong is the seductive guy. I guess it comes from having more characters than they can easily handle. Why work hard on a character’s personality when they could just pick one single trait and just go with that? Oh, because that’d be better? Well, yeah, it would; but this is easier and Koei loves to do things the easy way. So most of Guo Huai’s dialogue is there to remind you “Hey everyone, I’m the sick guy!” What few lines he has that don’t, in some way, allude to his allegedly poor health are usually interrupted by coughing. And while “sickly guy” really isn’t a bad thing in and of itself, it’s really not a strong enough trait to be the main focus of a character. Furthermore, there were plenty of other prominent figures of the Three Kingdoms who were known for their chronically poor health. Lü Meng is a particularly good example. He was known to be ill pretty much all the time - he even used this to help him conquer Jing - but he’s not white as a ghost and coughing all the time.
Luckily for Guo Huai, while “sick guy” is his main thing, he has other traits as well.
The most important thing to me about Guo Huai is that he carries a whole lot of guilt. For reasons that will actually make perfect sense when I get to the historical Guo Huai, he feels responsible for Xiahou Yuan’s death. He feels incredibly guilty about it and this motivates him to use what little life he has to finish what Xiahou Yuan started and defend Wei against Shu. It also motivates him to keep an eye on Xiahou Yuan’s son. This guilt is only compounded with Xiahou Ba defects to Shu and Guo Huai is forced to fight him in order to protect Wei. I think what really seals the deal on all of this is that it’s very down-played. Guo Huai really doesn’t make a big deal out of it at all. He mentioned just enough about these things that players can understand how he feels, but he doesn’t throw a pity party for himself. Honestly, if you’re not looking for it, you might miss it entirely.
Dan juga versi sejarahnya. - the-archlich
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And yet, even if Koei tried their best, I kind of doubt that they could have a Guo Huai who is as epic as deserves to be. I really can’t exaggerate when talking about how incredible this man was. In Dynasty Warriors, Guo Huai is predominantly “the sick guy”. In history, he was an unstoppable, uncompromising, untouchable warmachine. In his day, Guo Huai was a living legend, one whose reputation was equal to the best in Wei; and that reputation was well earned. He was a math for such legendary Wei generals as Cao Ren, Zhang Liao, Man Chong, and Cao Zhen. At the height of his career, generals literally surrendered as soon as they heard he was on his way. Guo Huai was the king. Guo Huai had a lot of serious family trouble in 251. First, word came out that his brother-in-law, Wang Ling, had been plotting to depose Emperor Cao Fang and replaced him with Cao Biao, one of Cao Cao’s more talented sons. Having received word of this, Sima Yi led an army to Shouchun. Knowing that there was absolutely no way he would be able to beat Sima Yi, Wang Ling surrendered. Though officially pardoned, he committed suicide on the way to the capital. For plotting rebellion against the emperor, Sima Yi executed most of Wang Ling’s relatives - however, because of the long friendship between them and the incomparable service Guo Huai had rendered to Wei, Wang Ling’s sister (Guo Huai’s wife) was spared. Lady Wang left to attend her brother’s funeral and gather his personal effects, but along the way she was ambushed and captured by some of the Qiang and Hu tribes. Guo Huai received word of this and took his army to go and rescue his wife. Technically, this was an illegal thing for him to do - Shu had attacked almost yearly, and Guo Huai was abandoning his post to attend to personal matters. He sent a letter to Sima Yi that basically said, “Dude, I’m going to go save my wife because OF COURSE I AM. If you want to punishment for desertion or something, that’s fine, I don’t care. I’ll take all the blame - just as soon as I rescue my wife.” Upon receiving this letter, Sima Yi pardoned Guo Huai for abandoning his post because OF COURSE HE DID. So Guo Huai was able to save his wife and was not punished for doing so. How the hell am I supposed to sum up Guo Huai and his career? I mean…seriously. How am I supposed to go about doing that? For 50 years, Guo Huai served Wei and the Cao family. Though he started out as a minor official, his incredible talents quickly gained the attention of Cao Pi and Cao Cao. Time and time again, he proved himself to be a wise counselor. He served as the trusted right-hand of such illustrious generals as Xiahou Yuan, Zhang He, and Sima Yi. In time, he distinguished himself in his own right, proving to be one of the finest commanders of the Three Kingdoms. His military record is nothing short of phenomenal. He fought in more battles than almost any other general, and he won almost every single time. Time after time, year after year, Guo Huai demolished the enemies of Wei and he made it look easy. He ripped apart any army that had the audacity to oppose him, almost without effort. Short of supplanting the heads of the Sima family, he rose as high as anybody possibly could. Near the end of his death, he wisely left matters mostly in the hands of subordinates who were more than qualified to handle them, training worthy men to succeed him. At the time of his death, he was without question the most respected general in Wei, and probably in all of the Three Kingdoms. And I also think that it’s really, really important to note that he was willing to throw that all away to rescue his wife when she was in danger. Compared to her life and safety, his reputation, his rank, and even his life meant nothing to him. That’s a really, really important thing to remember about him. In all the three kingdoms, there are maybe five generals who I would consider his equals or betters. Even the likes of Ding Feng, Xu Huang, and Wei Yan could not compare to Guo Huai.
And that’s why I have kind of a problem with the Dynasty Warriors version. All by itself, there’s really nothing wrong with the character. They overplay the “sick guy” thing too much, but he’s got some other really great characteristics to make up for that. Now, I don’t know how Guo Huai is depicted in other sources, but the fact of the matter is that the historical Guo Huai was an unstoppable master of battle, one whose very name struck awe into friend and foe alike. The DW character simply does not do him justice. And the way that Koei uses this character is even worse. He’s barely playable in any of the stages and he barely appears in story mode. He was one of the most important generals in all of Wei/Jin, and he’s almost completely ignored. It also really tweaks me that he doesn’t really appear until the Jin story in spite of serving Wei since 205. It’s a damn crime because he deserves so, so much more. Guo Huai was the king. Shut up and bow.
Aku setuju sama dia. Kenapa, KOEI terlalu mempermainkan "saat sakit"nya, ketimbang "perjalanan hebat"nya? aku mati saja... Entah. Mungkin para staff KOEI belum benar-benar membaca biografinya Guo Huai. Saya juga heran kenapa KOEI fokus terhadap penyakit Guo Huai.
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Oct 5 2014, 12:06 PM
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alasannya cuma satu. Mereka mau membuat pasukan Wei tampak bodoh,untuk mengangkat nama Shu forces
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Oct 5 2014, 12:11 PM
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alasannya cuma satu. Mereka mau membuat pasukan Wei tampak bodoh,untuk mengangkat nama Shu forces Hm... Mungkin mereka terpengaruh dengan Romance of the Three Kingdoms karya LGZ. Apalagi manga-manga bertema Three Kingdoms yang kebanyakan terpengaruh dengan RoTK LGZ.
Saya berharap DW9 membuat Guo Huai lebih realistik dan sesuai dengan sejarah.
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Oct 5 2014, 12:28 PM
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OOT : Tenyata ada juga yang suka nge - stalk the - arclich XD Katanya team KOEI ngebaca RoTK dan ngebuat desain untuk karakter mereka. Jadi, saya enggak heran kalau ada yang 'agak' melenceng dari sejarah.
Saya setuju dengan KOEI terlalu 'overplayed' dengan penyakitnya. Kalau dilihat sekilas, saya kurang percaya kalau dia jendral yang hebat. Tapi, sadar atau tidak sadar, Guo Huai 'yang sakit' telah melekat di kepala saya :yaoming
OOT(lagi): Selamat ya, Nurul13! XDb
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Oct 5 2014, 01:52 PM
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OOT : Tenyata ada juga yang suka nge - stalk the - arclich XD Katanya team KOEI ngebaca RoTK dan ngebuat desain untuk karakter mereka. Jadi, saya enggak heran kalau ada yang 'agak' melenceng dari sejarah.
Saya setuju dengan KOEI terlalu 'overplayed' dengan penyakitnya. Kalau dilihat sekilas, saya kurang percaya kalau dia jendral yang hebat. Tapi, sadar atau tidak sadar, Guo Huai 'yang sakit' telah melekat di kepala saya :yaoming
OOT(lagi): Selamat ya, Nurul13! XDb
Terima kasih,Tata-chan ^w^)/
To be honest,salah satu temenku yang admirer DW7(meski nonton di KuTup) juga bilang kalau Kakek Guo Huai ini emang sangat hebat. Hampir semua taktiknya,berhasil dengan mulus tanpa halangan. Pangkat tertinggi di antara semua jenderal,itu jempol banget. Sayang banget kalau dia punya terlalu sedikit momen untuk bersinar. Padahal,kalau KOEI tidak selalu melirik RoTK dan sedikit realistis,pasti ceritanya bakal seru.
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