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    GFW Kaiju Overrated
    Topic Started: Mar 12 2006, 11:54 PM (2,089 Views)
    EternalMothra
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    Is it just me, or does Kaiser Ghidorah seem a bit overrated by some people? To be honest, he really didn't impress me that much, yeah he's cool, but his power really didn't impress me. All his beams did was pick up and throw enemies, and he is barely maneauverable. What do you guys think?

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    but his power really didn't impress me.

    Life-sucking power didn't impress you? I thought it was kinda clever.

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    All his beams did was pick up and throw enemies

    You're denying power of telekiness-like power? :huh: That made Godzilla, a 50,000 ton monster, lightless.

    He's not completely overrated, he's just overrated when stated "He's the second strongest kaiju EVER!!!!1".
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    I'm not saying it is weak, I know he is a powerful monster, that is most definate. I was just debating in a battle over on KP, someone is really, I mean really overrating Kaiser Ghidorah, saying that he can like fry Armor Mothra, and defeat Grand Ghidorah and all of that stuff.

    The reason I wasn't impressed by KG was mainly because I thought this one would be more of a violent Ghidorah, like a tooth/claw one.

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    Yes, he is overrated. Many of the GFW kaiju are. I almost felt ill when I read Tomzilla's ratings for them at Godzilla Universe. Keizer Ghids is far, far too frail to stand up to most powerful beam kaiju (SG, Des, ML and his forms, Showa MG, etc.). I mean granted, if he gets ahold of you, you're pretty well boned, but a single solid hit on him would inflict serious damage.
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    I have also heard people say that he can fly, yet we never seen him fly. Do you guys think he can? To be honest, I don't think he can, his wings are so small.

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    It haven't been shown in the film that he could fly. I seriously doubt he can fly.
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    Hes a powerful kaiju, but if you have the right powers, he can be beaten. If you have a power like nuclear pulse or some other repealing grab power and some decent defense or regeneration, then he can't do jack to you.
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    To be honest, if any kaiju does stand a chance against armor mothra, its Kaiser. It's mainly oriented around his beams, if he can grab ahold of her he can slowly wittle her down into nothing. I'm not saying he would definitely win in a fight against her, I'm just saying he's your best bet against her.

    That said, I don't consider kaiser overrated at all. Not even the might of GFW godzilla, spacegodzilla or even destroyah stands a chance against him. Very few kaiju have any hope against him.

    He might be able to fly to some extent. Monster X was clearly levitating upon his arrival, lowering himself down gently so we can presume the possibility that he is capable of flight.

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    Would Kaiser Ghidorah be able to keep up with a Kaiju as fast/quick as Armor Mothra, she flew circles around Grand Ghidorah. I think GKG would stand a chance against Kaiser, since he has the energy shield, it is likely that it would protect him against Kaiser's beams.

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    I honestly thought Monster X was doing a much better job in his first form. He was quick and good take a beating. I don't see why he turned into Keizer Ghidorah.
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    I honestly thought Monster X was doing a much better job in his first form. He was quick and good take a beating. I don't see why he turned into Keizer Ghidorah.

    Well goji DID start to gain an upper hand on MX and Kaiser handed the king his tail in a matter of seconds...
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    Yeah that's true, if it weren't for the Gotengo, I think Keizer Ghidorah would've won. The way Godzilla defeated him though, was AWESOME!
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    To be honest, if any kaiju does stand a chance against armor mothra, its Kaiser. It's mainly oriented around his beams, if he can grab ahold of her he can slowly wittle her down into nothing. I'm not saying he would definitely win in a fight against her, I'm just saying he's your best bet against her.

    Nothing compare to Armor Mothra. TF (Trandsence Fate if your not familar with it shorten) pwns all. Your best bet is actually going out of the Toho kaijus, and go to anime kaijus.

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    spacegodzilla or even destroyah stands a chance against him.

    Kaizer Ghidorah barly counter a beam with charge time. What do you expect from strong beams with no charge time?
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    You're denying power of telekiness-like power?  That made Godzilla, a 50,000 ton monster, lightless

    That wasnt telekiness, it was simply the power of electricity.

    My personal opinion on KG is that he maybe a tad overrated, but I think he's right up there with Armor Mothra and GFW Godzilla, all of whom I think could make up an official top-3 most powerful kaiju-list. Unlike in GMK, were Godzilla's foes had been made much weaker than normal, GFW's were left at their original levels of srentgh, if not more so. Yet, Goji wiped them out in seconds, thus proving himself the strongest G-incarnation yet as well as one of the strongest kaiju, period. The only thing that could stand up to him was KG, who, in larva form, was equal to Goji, and in adult form, would have killed him. So throw Armor Mothra in there and we'd have one heck of a fight! :lol:
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    make up an official top-3 most powerful kaiju-list.

    No. Not Kaizer Ghidorah or GFW Godzilla. The "all mighty charge beam" of GFW Godzilla didn't do a thing to an overgrown rock. Now, if kaijus gotten killed by that, or the weaker Atomic Ray, that's sad.

    There are several kaijus that gotten weaker.
    Heddy: Um...no powers... gotten killed by charge beam that didn't do a thing to a rock...yeah...
    Ebirah: Gotten torn a part from hand held maser that only raises a human size explostion from the ground. Weaker.
    Kumongo: Lost of stinger, slightly weaker.
    Kamacuras: Gotten killed by an impale eletric tower. Weaker.
    Rodan: Lost of hurrican winds. Slightly weaker.
    King Caesear: Huge T&C lost. Weaker.
    Gigan: Gotten killed by the Atomic Ray. Weaker.

    There are several monsters that could beat GFW Godzilla, even give him a hard time and win.

    Angy gotten stronger, yes, and we can't tell for Zilla, as he wasn't shown hitted by any military weapones.

    And before anyone says "But that was a metor!!!!!11111111" Missiles could blow those things up that are Gorath size.
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    No. Not Kaizer Ghidorah or GFW Godzilla. The "all mighty charge beam" of GFW Godzilla didn't do a thing to an overgrown rock. Now, if kaijus gotten killed by that, or the weaker Atomic Ray, that's sad.

    There are several kaijus that gotten weaker.
    Heddy: Um...no powers... gotten killed by charge beam that didn't do a thing to a rock...yeah...
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    Ebirah: Gotten torn a part from hand held maser that only raises a human size explostion from the ground. Weaker.

    Kumongo: Lost of stinger, slightly weaker.
    Kamacuras: Gotten killed by an impale eletric tower. Weaker.
    Rodan: Lost of hurrican winds. Slightly weaker.
    King Caesear: Huge T&C lost. Weaker.
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    Gigan: Gotten killed by the Atomic Ray. Weaker
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    The science of your anologies overwhelms me... :wacko:
    Time to tear it apart.

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    Heddy: Um...no powers... gotten killed by charge beam that didn't do a thing to a rock...yeah...

    We don't know the extent of heddy's pwer so I refuse to say anything about this monster.


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    Ebirah: Gotten torn a part from hand held maser that only raises a human size explostion from the ground. Weaker.

    Yeah...wrong.
    The size of the explosions doesn't matter. The ONLY thing that matters is how powerful the blasts are in their radius. A bullet from a small caliber gun does almost no damage to the tissue around the area where the bullet goes in but the flesh that the bullet touches is obliterated. Clearly the maser was a piercing weapon, same as spacegodzilla's corona beam.

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    Kumongo: Lost of stinger, slightly weaker.

    We don't know he lost his stinger considering he never used it...The earth knows no spider that isn't venomous, kumonga HAS to carry a venom of some sort, he just never got a chance to use it before being hurled away. Honestly, at what point COULD he have used his venom?
    Oh, and I guess all nonvenomous kaiju are weaker than showa kumonga because they don't have his stinger...

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    Kamacuras: Gotten killed by an impale eletric tower. Weaker.

    GFW Kamacuras actually has a chance against megaguirus...
    Look, I'v said it before, I'll say it again, kamacuras has a weal spot located beneath his wing covering, THATS where the tower went in. Kamacuras also took several missiles designed to hurt kaiju to the carapace without even flinching.
    And whats to say a showa kamacuras wouldn't be killed by being thrown onto a tower? Sheesh, a kaiju is killed in one of the most awsome ways in history, fully justified and it automatically makes him the weakest kaiju imaginable...GFW kamacuras may be the single most underrated kaiju in existance...

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    Rodan: Lost of hurrican winds. Slightly weaker.

    That is just sad...
    I guess that makes all kaiju who don't have hurricane winds weaker than showa rodan...
    Ignoring his insane agility and deadly sonic booms...

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    King Caesear: Huge T&C lost. Weaker.

    He kicked anguirus's thunderball form without a scratch, NEXT!

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    Gigan: Gotten killed by the Atomic Ray. Weaker

    That is the worst of them all....
    Not only did he dragged a struggling FW godzilla to him, not only is his beam incredibly strong(damaged the gotengo. The gotengo wasn't obliterated by GFW goji's beam, this speaks enough for itself) AND he's incredibly agile, almost as agile as rodan...This dude could take on spacegodzilla or iris no problem...

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    And before anyone says "But that was a metor!!!!!11111111" Missiles could blow those things up that are Gorath size.

    Wait, you mean its not durable because they Xilians said that the earth could detroy a meteor of equal size by concentrating all the world's firepower on it?

    ...

    There is NO Kaiju in existance that could survive if all of the world's firepower was concentrated on them...
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    Okay, I just went to do some measuring. I took the scen of godzilla vs. zilla part and measured godzilla with a 12 inch ruler. I have a 36 inch non-flat screen. Gozilla was 6 inchs on the part where he uses his breath on zilla and kills him. I measured the wideth of the exsplosion. It was 14 inchs.(I used a marker to make sure I was measureing right since my ruler is only 12 inchs.) Thats a little over twice his size. I would say thats impressive for an exsplosion. Then I measured at the scen godzilla shooting monster x at point blank in the face. That blast was pre-charged. I measured the exsplosions length. It was 11 inchs. Then I measured monster x's length. He was 13 1/2 inchs. For being pre-charged and still being able to cover most of the body is pretty impressive.(this was during when you see godzilla shooting his beam and monster x is being knocked back.) If you want, I'll do more measureing in other scens.
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    We don't know the extent of heddy's pwer so I refuse to say anything about this monster.

    And if you get killed by a beam that failed to every damage a rock, you really don't need much more.

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    A bullet from a small caliber gun does almost no damage to the tissue around the area

    Hole anyone?

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    GFW Kamacuras actually has a chance against megaguirus

    ...I swear, people are getting weirder and weirder...

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    kamacuras has a weal spot located beneath his wing covering, THATS where the tower went in.

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    Hate to break it to you, but that's middle of the body, after the wings curl up. And you can say that to any kaijus. Zilla '98 have a weak spot in his neck that missiles can go through.

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    a kaiju is killed in one of the most awsome ways in history

    I guess everyone entitle to their opinon. I myself personally thought it was pretty stupid.

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    The earth knows no spider that isn't venomous

    I'm sorry, I forgot GFW Kumonga is from Earth. :sarcasm:

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    kumonga HAS to carry a venom of some sort

    Says who? Toho?

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    he just never got a chance to use it before being hurled away.

    And Zilla '98 have Atomic Ray, he was just too afraid to use it. And Godzilla have a laser eye beam, he didn't wanted to use it. And GFW Rodan can fire a beam, he just felt it'll be too stupid like his Heisei counter-part was. Mothra GFW had TF, she just took too much damage from Gigan.

    That arguement is seriously flaw. With that logic, any kaijus have any attacks.

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    Oh, and I guess all nonvenomous kaiju are weaker than showa kumonga because they don't have his stinger...

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    I guess that makes all kaiju who don't have hurricane winds weaker than showa rodan...

    Guess I sould've state was I comparing them to their eariler Showa couson.

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    Ignoring his insane agility and deadly sonic booms...

    No difference from any other Rodan, hence why I said slightly weaker.

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    He kicked anguirus's thunderball form without a scratch

    On Angy's underside....

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    not only is his beam incredibly strong

    *Overrated.

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    The gotengo wasn't obliterated by GFW goji's beam, this speaks enough for itself

    That means it can stand up to a beam weaker then a missile. Big whoops.

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    he's incredibly agile, almost as agile as rodan

    Agile, yes. Agile as Rodan? No.

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    This dude could take on spacegodzilla

    :intears: :intears: :intears:

    No.

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    Wait, you mean its not durable because they Xilians said that the earth could detroy a meteor of equal size by concentrating all the world's firepower on it?

    ...

    There is NO Kaiju in existance that could survive if all of the world's firepower was concentrated on them...

    Yeah, the real Gorath is like 3 times smaller.
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    What did I just say? I ask you, You tell me exactly what I just said! I am SICK of people replying to posts of mine without even reading them entirely!
    I mentioned the hole, I mentioned it RIGHT HERE:
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    goes in but the flesh that the bullet touches is obliterated.

    Do you SEE that? Do you?

    -takes a deep breath-
    Erm, sorry about that...brings back bad memories...

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    Hate to break it to you, but that's middle of the body, after the wings curl up. And you can say that to any kaijus. Zilla '98 have a weak spot in his neck that missiles can go through.

    That tower, sir, is clearly wedged between the sides of the wingcase. Look closely, it's clearly not touching either piece of it.

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    I'm sorry, I forgot GFW Kumonga is from Earth. 

    He's a spider, of course he's from earth.
    You don't get mutant tropical spiders on planet X.
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    Says who? Toho?


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    And Zilla '98 have Atomic Ray, he was just too afraid to use it. And Godzilla have a laser eye beam, he didn't wanted to use it. And GFW Rodan can fire a beam, he just felt it'll be too stupid like his Heisei counter-part was. Mothra GFW had TF, she just took too much damage from Gigan.

    That arguement is seriously flaw. With that logic, any kaijus have any attacks.

    That argument is irrelivent. ALL spiders have venom of some sort, meaning kuonga has to. It's a law of biology.

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    Guess I sould've state was I comparing them to their eariler Showa couson.

    I know you are, my point is that just because a kaiju lacks an attack an earlier version had does not in any way make it weaker. GFW rodan may not have the sonic booms but he is far more agile than any.

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    No difference from any other Rodan, hence why I said slightly weaker.

    Very different from any other rodan. Showa and heisei rodans weren't anywhere near as agile as GFW rodan.

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    On Angy's underside....

    He was curled up, the spikes bristled out on all sides.

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    Agile, yes. Agile as Rodan? No.

    Duh...
    I did say ALMOST.

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    No.


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    yes.

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    Yeah, the real Gorath is like 3 times smaller.


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    That means it can stand up to a beam weaker then a missile. Big whoops.




    Why do you insist on saying the beam is weaker than a missile? What did I say earlier? WHAT did I say earlier?

    NO kaiju in existance could stand up to the assault if all weapons on earth were directed at them! Not one!
    This was what they meant when they stated that earth could only destroy gorath by concentrating all their weapons on it at once.

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    Look, I'v said it before, I'll say it again, kamacuras has a weal spot located beneath his wing covering, THATS where the tower went in.

    And as I've told you before, the tower pierced Kamacuras from behind, above the spot where the wing covers connect to the body.

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    Wait, you mean its not durable because they Xilians said that the earth could detroy a meteor of equal size by concentrating all the world's firepower on it?

    The meteor MX was in and Gorath were two completely different things.

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    He was curled up, the spikes bristled out on all sides.

    No, they don't. They only cover half of him.

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    :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

    yes

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    He's a spider, of course he's from earth.
    You don't get mutant tropical spiders on planet X.

    You don't get earlier life from on Plantet X from Earth.

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    What did I just say? I ask you, You tell me exactly what I just said! I am SICK of people replying to posts of mine without even reading them entirely!

    Meant behind tissue.

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    Erm, sorry about that...brings back bad memories...

    Lemme guess, a n00b pisses you of enough once before?

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    That tower, sir, is clearly wedged between the sides of the wingcase. Look closely, it's clearly not touching either piece of it.

    *Above.

    Still wouldn't touch either then.

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    ALL spiders have venom of some sort, meaning kuonga has to. It's a law of biology.

    You're adding something like Law of Biology to Godzilla. You want to add A- blood to B+ blood too?

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    I know you are, my point is that just because a kaiju lacks an attack an earlier version had does not in any way make it weaker.

    Unless it's one of your more important attacks.

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    GFW rodan may not have the sonic booms

    *Hurrican Winds. :P

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    but he is far more agile than any.

    No.

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    Showa and heisei rodans weren't anywhere near as agile as GFW rodan.

    Uh, yes they are. Heisei completely out knock Super Mechagodzilla silly way too fast, and Showa could keep up with King Ghidorah.

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    yes.

    No. Gigan have agile on his side. That's it. Few Cornea Beam and goodbye Cyborg Bird.

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    Why do you insist on saying the beam is weaker than a missile? What did I say earlier? WHAT did I say earlier?

    NO kaiju in existance could stand up to the assault if all weapons on earth were directed at them! Not one!
    This was what they meant when they stated that earth could only destroy gorath by concentrating all their weapons on it at once.

    And the real Gorath was three time smaller, like a REGULAR METOR. Regular Metor + beam that failed to damage it = weak beam. Now missiles could blown it up. One could damage it. Do the math.
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    Hate to break it to you, but that's middle of the body, after the wings curl up.

    The shot of Kamacuras getting thrown clearly shows Kamacuras's wingcases wide open, there closed because Kamcuras's isn't moving.
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    And as I've told you before, the tower pierced Kamacuras from behind, above the spot where the wing covers connect to the body.

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    You don't get earlier life from on Plantet X from Earth.


    ...uuuuuh, what?
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    Alright, a Meteor isn't just a massive rock, It contains its own gravity. It was large enough to destroy the earth, given that, The one that whiped out the Dinosaurs was larger then Mount Everest, when it hit the ground, its rear-end was still in Space. The mere fact Godzilla ONLY had to re-position himself, to hit the meteor, that WENT OUT OF OUR ATMOSPHERE, and did NOT disapate, proves his beam is not only extremely powerful, But also extremely hot, for it is able to stay visable in the vacume of space.

    Now, Keizer Ghidorah.

    He has Anti-Gravity beams, which means that they produce there own grativational effect, not a pull, but a ' Push '. The most absolute concussion-beam ever.
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