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    GFW Kaiju Overrated
    Topic Started: Mar 12 2006, 11:54 PM (2,088 Views)
    EternalMothra
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    About the meteor guys, it wasn't as big as what planet Gorath was supposed to be. It was only Monster X's meteor.

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    The mere fact Godzilla ONLY had to re-position himself, to hit the meteor, that WENT OUT OF OUR ATMOSPHERE, and did NOT disapate, proves his beam is not only extremely powerful, But also extremely hot, for it is able to stay visable in the vacume of space.


    Well said Dr. Strangelove! That explaination is very true!

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    and did NOT disapate, proves his beam is not only extremely powerful

    What's in the atmosphere that'll get rid of a beam? Besides, GXM Godzilla's beam reach up in several atmospheres, yet no praise from that. A beam going through the atmosphere is going through it.

    Oh, btw, it was a mile long astroid that wiped out the dinos, for future referense.
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    The atomic energy composed in Godzilla's beam will have a hard time adapting to the vacume of space, or it could react with different molecules, chemicles in the atmosphere.

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    Mar 15 2006, 02:27 AM
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    and did NOT disapate, proves his beam is not only extremely powerful

    What's in the atmosphere that'll get rid of a beam? Besides, GXM Godzilla's beam reach up in several atmospheres, yet no praise from that. A beam going through the atmosphere is going through it.

    Ummm, bub, air resistance is a non-factor. The doktor isn't even talking about air resistance. What he means when he says "dissapating" is the density of the beam's energy dissapating due to distance. Remember, in order to go a certain distance that beam must exert energy, and beams exert A LOT of energy. For GFW of GXM Goji's beams to not dissapate at such great heights, not lose energy eventually, shows the sheer energy level of each beam.
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    and Imperater ignored my measureing. Mabey this thread should be renamed "GFW Kaiju overrated?" now.
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    Good suggestion, I will do just that.

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    and Imperater ignored my measureing.

    Good point, I'll disprove them now.

    Where esle do you see those explosions? The only time the beam made any explostion was with the ground, building, or some other beam weapon.
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    Mar 15 2006, 06:34 AM
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    and Imperater ignored my measureing.

    Good point, I'll disprove them now.

    Where esle do you see those explosions? The only time the beam made any explostion was with the ground, building, or some other beam weapon.

    Do you understand what a LASER is? Its a focused beam of light, its ment to make a clean-cut through any material. Its nearly the same thing as takeing a Magnifieing Glass and frying ants in the backyard. Let me rephrase that..its not really ' light ' persay, but it follows the same princeable. You can deflect a laser, of ANY power, with a Mirror.

    Now, this is a Maser, which is a highly-concentrated beam of Nuclear Energy. Which gives it Radioative Properties, therebye, extreme amounts of Heat Energy. Parts of ebirith's shell was probally Super-Heated to the point they combusted, which could easily kill what is really just a massive lobster.
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    Mar 15 2006, 08:45 AM
    Parts of ebirith's shell was probally Super-Heated to the point they combusted, which could easily kill what is really just a massive lobster.

    Ebirah survived Godzilla's supposed Uber-Death-Beam-of-Pwnage. You can hear him shrieking afterwards. We then hear Godzilla roar, and both Ebirah and Hedorah fall silent. This suggests Godzilla finished them off in T&C, not with a beam.

    Not to mention they were both hurled god knows how many thousand feet up into the air by it, yet suffered no damage. The beam is almost pure force.
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    Goji's beam? Or the Maser?
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    Ebirah survived Godzilla's supposed Uber-Death-Beam-of-Pwnage. You can hear him shrieking afterwards. We then hear Godzilla roar, and both Ebirah and Hedorah fall silent. This suggests Godzilla finished them off in T&C, not with a beam.

    AS BS stated earlier, at no point do we hear ebirah or hedorah after godzilla obliterated them. At no point after being blown up is either monster's roar audible.

    Let me rephrase that, at no point is the sound we hear meant to represent hedorah or ebirah after the two are blown away. Quite frankly, we hear a sound very much like hedorah's cry twice in the movie such as when the tower goes down in sydney just before zilla appears as well as during the motorcycle fu scene. It's easy to mistake the sound for hedorah but I assure you, at no point is his roar heard after godzilla blows him and ebirah away.
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    I was thinking, since the Xillians had to mess with the kaijus' genetic make-up, could that have effected the way they fought?
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    Mar 15 2006, 04:53 PM
    AS BS stated earlier, at no point do we hear ebirah or hedorah after godzilla obliterated them. At no point after being blwon up is either monster's roar audible.

    Let me rephrase that, at no point is the sound we hear meant to represent hedorah or ebirah after the two are blown away. Quite frankly, we hear a sound very much like hedorah's cry twice in the movie such as when the tower goes down in sydney just before zilla appears as well as during the motorcycle fu scene. It's easy to mistake the sound for hedorah but I assure you, at no point is his roar heard after godzilla blows him and ebirah away.

    O RLY?
    I even turned up the volume on the part where you can hear them, just to help you out.
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    IRs right guys, both Ebirah and Hedorahes roars can be heard while the Xians flipping out watching them(BTW, I always belived that was them roaring). Then Godzilla roars and he says something to the effect of "To Bad". Just watch his reaction, you can pretty much tell that Godzillas giving them a whoopin'.
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    What he says 'wait a sec' could be one of many things. I personally believe he was looking into the smoke to see if hedorah or ebirah were still alive.

    Oh and I watched the clip again. Seriously, it sound smore like hedorah when zilla attacks sydney than it does in that clip. Hedorah cannot be heard.
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    What he says 'wait a sec' could be one of many things.


    He says "Too bad" immediatly after there roaring.
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    Mar 15 2006, 11:34 AM
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    and Imperater ignored my measureing.

    Good point, I'll disprove them now.

    Where esle do you see those explosions? The only time the beam made any explostion was with the ground, building, or some other beam weapon.

    Well, those were kaiju there that I just did.
    Now some more.
    1. Now onto the godzilla vs. the gotengo scen at the start of the movie. On toho kingdom's site, it lists that the first generation gotengo's height is 38 meters. Now I am assuming that it means from the top of the tower to the underside of the ship. Now I measured on this picture here http://www.tohokingdom.com/web_pages/alien...gotengo04.htm#o that it was 1 1/2 inchs. I measured the drill. I came out with 1/2 inch. I multplyed 1/2 times 38. I came with 19 on my calcalater. Now onto the part were the gotengo gets hit with the beam. The drill was 6 inchs. The exsplosion was 13 inchs tall and 18 inchs wide. That means the exsplosion would be over 41.11666666666666666 meters tall and 57 meters wide. Thats still pretty impressive.
    2.Next, I did the scen when godzilla uses his beam the first time on gigan at the south pole scen. gigan was 8 inchs tall. The exsplosion was 8 inchs tall and 10 inchs wide. That would equal out to 120 meters tall and 150 meters wide (remeber the inchs part is measured on the screen and that the inchs tall for the kaiju is equal to the kaiju's height in the movie. Ex. gigan being 8 inchs on that scen =120 meters since that is supposed to be his height in the movie.)
    3.Next I did the part where godzilla shoots the mountain at the south pole. In the first part where it shows godzilla, I measured godzilla in that scen. He was 10 inchs tall. I did the mountain and it was 10 inchs as well meaning the mountain's height is 100 meters. Next came the part where it moves off the left. The mountain was 12 1/2 inchs tall and 21 inchs wide egualing 100 meters tall and 168 meters wide. The explosion, the height goes off screen some so I could only measure 13 inchs tall and 17 1/2 inchs wide. That means 104 meters tall and 140 meters wide.

    I am tired now, but will do more later. BTW, if someone could give me how wide and how tall monster x is in meteor form, I will be happy to do that as well.
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    Mar 12 2006, 10:54 PM
    Is it just me, or does Kaiser Ghidorah seem a bit overrated by some people?

    You talking about Keizer Godzilla at Kaiju Phile? :lol:

    I think ALL Ghidorahs are over rated. None of the ones I've seen are any good at melee. If you can get past their beams, you can beat them.

    As for Keizer Ghidorah, in his defense I will add that he went up against what is probably the most powerful Godzilla to date. That is, unless you want to say Godzilla was just as powerful as ever and his enemies were just a lot weaker...
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    Actually, I think you'd have a hard time with Death Ghidorah and Cretaceious King Ghidorah after getting past there beams, you know how they tore into Mothra right?

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    Er, sorry Eternal Mothra. I've never seen the Mothra movies. I've only seen the Godzilla vs Mothra movies. Perhaps I should have specified that I think all Ghidorahs that I've seen are over rated.
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    Oh okay. Well I do concur I guess, the Ghidorahs do tend to be overrated a bit, mostly Grand and Keizer.

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    Overrated or no, all of the Ghidorahs do exactly what they are supposed to do in the films in which they appear...lose. I think it says something when a monster can get its butt kicked as many times as Ghidorah, shake it off, look itself in the mirror the next morning and say "I'm good enough, I'm strong enough, and doggoneit, people hate me." Then get back out there and try again.

    Each time Ghidorah appears, it is just a bit nastier than the one before it, and in ALL of its appearances, if it isn't stopped, it will destroy everything.

    Besides, these movies aren't anything close to science fact or even fiction...they are fantasy, and really, should be treated as such.
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    Oh okay. Well I do concur I guess, the Ghidorahs do tend to be overrated a bit, mostly Grand and Keizer


    Frankly, EM, I think Keizer tops GFW Kamacuras in title of single most underrated kaiju in history.
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    Here! Here! Kamacuras was beaten, sure, but whenever Godzilla has a very specific purpose in mind, and in this case it was catching the Gotingo, nothing stops him. Blame Xillian. He kept choosing the absolutely WRONG battlegrounds for his kaiju to face Godzilla. Why not send some of those fighters to keep Goji busy looking skyward while Kamacuras uses his camoflage to sneak up and hamstring him? Not that it would have worked, but at least it would have been more strategic than a face-to-face.
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    It's not so much that the GFW kaiju are underrated, it's just that GFW Godzilla is a total powerhouse. And the Xilians were idjits.
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