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| GMK Godzilla; Is he really such a wimp? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 11 2006, 02:09 PM (2,599 Views) | |
| Zardac the Great | Apr 11 2006, 02:09 PM Post #1 |
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Greetings! It seems that the general consensus is that GMK Godzilla is really somewhat of a paper tiger. He's just a wimp, had a hard time against weak monsters, and really doesn't ammount to much. Is this really how it is? Or is it more of a testament to how powerful Baragon, Mothra, and King Ghidorah would have been if they had been fully grown? GMK Godzilla: Wimp, or King? |
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| Dr. Strangelove | Apr 11 2006, 02:15 PM Post #2 |
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Well, his skin is argueably the toughest of any Goji. But he lacks any sort of quick regeneration. Hes also extremely mean, but that was undoing when he decided to beam Tokyo the last time. So hes not all that smart either. Hes not stupid, but hes not a genius. In terms of HtH, hes second only to Showa Goji. His beam lacked a bit, but its good enough to shake the enemy. All in all, I'd say he is above average. |
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| EternalMothra | Apr 11 2006, 04:37 PM Post #3 |
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He's a tough Goji that is for sure. However, I have a feeling that if Baragon, Mothra, and Ghidorah were at their full strength, he'd be in a whole lot of pain. |
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| Legionmaster | Apr 11 2006, 04:51 PM Post #4 |
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Aside from the fact that a huge chunk was blown out of it.
Yes and no. He's not that smart in terms of intelligence, but his prowess in battle is unmatched by most kaiju. Also, his ability to read and learn from his oppenents show a strong adaptive ability.
I beg to disagree. GxM Goji and GFW Goji are much more skilled than he is.
Well, it depends how long he charges it. The blast that obliterated Baragon was a doozy, but some of the others were only charged for a short time, so they lacked in power. Overall, he's average. |
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| Django | Apr 11 2006, 05:38 PM Post #5 |
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The only reason Godzilla lost that chunk of skin was because he was being continously bombarded by series of different attacks and even then, it took that super huge energy ball to do it, and the wound wasn't even that large. |
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| Legionmaster | Apr 11 2006, 05:59 PM Post #6 |
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Or just the spirit ball.
It was deep enough to re-route his beam, and after that it was wide enough for his beam to fit through. The he was gushing blood like no one else, even Showa Goji. |
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| dph | Apr 13 2006, 01:01 PM Post #7 |
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I find he was just a mean little sucker. He did learn from his opponents, and was deffinitly able to kill his oponents viciously. I was shocked when i saw him incenerate Mothra. She's been killed before but that took the cake. |
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| Biochemitra | Apr 13 2006, 04:08 PM Post #8 |
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Well, He's certainly not the strongest of godzillas but he's certainly quite formidable. His skin is extremely thick, his melee skill is quite good and his beam is not a good thing to have coming at you. Even if Baragon wasn't all that tough, the explosion the beam generated was massive. He certainly woudn't make top ten but he's still a force to be reckoned with. |
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| kpa | Apr 13 2006, 10:48 PM Post #9 |
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I've never cared for "who's stronger" debates about fictional characters since anything is possible, but I do know what Toho intended with Godzilla in GMK. Godzilla was originally created as a villain. To have a good conflict you need a strong villain, and in the early films he is the most powerful character. As Godzilla made the change from bad guy to hero, he was matched against stronger foes like King Ghidorah, Hedorah, and Mechagodzilla. In those cases, he needed the help of other monsters or mankind to win in the end. Godzilla became more of an antagonistic fore of nature in the Heisei and early Millennium films. The monster battles were generally evenly matched, and Godzilla would often take a lot of punishment from foes like Mechagodzilla, Soace Godzilla, and Destoroyah. Even Megaguirus was able to inflict a lot of damage. Shusuke Kaneko felt that Godzilla was Toho's first and greatest monster, and as the "king of the Monsters" he should be the biggest and strongest kaiju. In the GMK timeline there are no bigger monsters; Godzilla is the top of the food chain. His skin is supposed to be the strongest of any incarnation of of Godzilla up to that time. None of the monsters or mankind's attacks so much as scratch him (as opposed to the bleeding and chunks of skin shown in the 1974, 1993, and 1999 films). The first time Godzilla takes any damage is when he is struck by the Spirit Ball, which was Ghidorah's ultimate weapon and could only be used once. After that strike, Ghidorah never does any further damge to Godzilla. Godzilla is also smart. He counters Mothra's sneak attacks twice, and spins Ghidorah in the path of a missile attack. Since GMK returns Godzilla to his roots as the spectre of war, Godzilla is completely focused on destroying anything and everything. This murderous rage proves to be his downfall. The general view is that this Godzilla is easily one of the strongest incarnations of the character. That was Toho's intent, and that's what is shown in the film. |
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| EternalMothra | Apr 14 2006, 12:49 AM Post #10 |
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Well said Kpa.
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| Paulozor | May 10 2006, 11:00 PM Post #11 |
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I would say that this Godzilla is one of the most powerful. Killing Mothra and King Ghidorah twice. He Can't beat G2K, though!
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| Imperater | May 10 2006, 11:19 PM Post #12 |
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He killed three weak-ass kaijus. Whoop-a-dee-fricken-doo |
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| Zardac the Great | May 11 2006, 01:06 AM Post #13 |
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What makes you say they were weak? |
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| Imperater | May 11 2006, 04:07 PM Post #14 |
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Ghidorah's skin was open by a drill, with gravity bolts being nill. Baragon lacks anything and everything to be strong. Mothra never did anything to be consider strong. |
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| Kyodi | May 22 2006, 03:00 PM Post #15 |
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The question often asked is: why? Why was Godzilla in such a murderous rage that he destroyed himself? Like what was previously pointed out, this incarnation of Godzilla was a war machine, the physical representation of the anger the spirits of the past felt. There was no room in his heart for anything else. Heck, this Goji would have blasted Minya if given the chance! In the end, Tokyo had learned it's lesson, reopened its eyes, and there was no further need to punish them...then, as if to hammer the point home, Godzilla's destruction is remniscent of the first time he was destroyed in 1955, with his remains at the bottom of Tokyo Bay...with his heart still beating as if to say, "Forget again, and the punishment will be the same." |
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| Mecha74 | Jun 24 2006, 08:52 AM Post #16 |
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Is he a wimp? Most certainly not. He has technically the toughest hide of any Goji aside from GFW Goji. What some people fail to realise is that GMK Goji shrugged off military attacks without the luxury of battle effective regen. It has been stated by Toho more times than I can count that when other Gojis' from the Heisei till now films are hit by just about anything, be it a beam, missile, claw swipe or whatever, it does damage. But the regen they posess is so fast that by the time the smoke clears there is no sign of damage remaining. The only real time that GMK Goji is imperiled is after the spirit bomb hits him. Sure GMK Ghidorah was weak but that attack was not however. People really need to get over this skin made of tissue paper garbage that I keep hearing everywhere. As for his beam, it has been argued that it only effects the spirit kaiju, this is a ridiculous assumption considering the amount of damage it does to pretty much everything it hits be it military vehicles, buildings etc. But how much time he spends charging it does seem to effect its level of power though. Remember the small mushroom cloud that is seen from the school when Goji first makes landfall and uses his breath for the first time? Yeah, nasty stuff. Now granted it would be interesting to see him match up against stronger kaiju. Would his hide stand up to Gyaos cutter or Destroyer's laser blade, who knows? And obviously he would be screwed if he were hit by Gamera's mana beam or MG's AZ cannon. So in the end I'm going to say that he is one of the physically toughest of all the Goji's, but other Millenium versions still out class him though overall. |
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| Space Rodan | Jun 24 2006, 05:28 PM Post #17 |
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Well, Godzilla seemed to have the ability to absorb spiritual energy, he did w/ King Ghidorah's beams. |
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| Replay | Jun 24 2006, 09:18 PM Post #18 |
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GMK Goji is one of the meanist and most durrible kaiju ever. The only wound even inflicted on him was from the most powerful attack in kaiju history (Not counting Mana Beam)! People that say he is weak and that the gardians are weak need major help. GMK Ghidorah was easilly powerful enough to bring down a good number of kaiju. GMK Mothra isquite the shield, and Baragon has that "Never say dead" attitude. Alone they may be weak, but together, they are quite the kaiju team. Also, don't even bring out the fact that he don't have Regen, BIG FREAKEN WOOP! He still managed to survive repeated millitary attacks, a huge amount of punishment from FOUR (two Ghidorah forms people) monsters, and show amazing endurince (He fought for an entire day and night) all in one movie! His two weaknesses are no regen and the fact his beam needs some time to charge. He is far from dumb, he fired the last beam in order to kill himself because the gardians made the spirits controling him realize just what was going on. He is easily one of the top five strongest Gojis. |
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| Imperater | Jun 24 2006, 10:01 PM Post #19 |
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No...no it isn't. AZC, TF, Godzilla Meltdown (1970+)'s Beam, SG's Corna Beam, and hell of a lot other beams is stronger then KG's Spirit Bomb...
Good number of weak kaijus like Baragon...
Dying from two hit of a beam of 95% of force. Wow.
And he have no strong power and have no T&C.
And any Heisei kaiju and half the Showa kaiju alone can destroy that 'strong' team.
Wow. So have 99.8% of kaijus.
That's still one kaiju. Me fighting with and with out a suit of armor are different 'forms', but I'm still the same Ian Garrett all love.
He didn't fight for entire day and night.... and it was entire different day from Baragon fight to Mothra fight...
And guess what? Those two weakness makes him average.
...or he's just feel likes killing two humans...
No...he is an average Godzilla. |
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| Biochemitra | Jun 24 2006, 10:30 PM Post #20 |
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The spirit bomb is very much more powerful than the meltdown ray or the corona beam. As for GMK Baragon, he reminded me very much of Anguirus. PRetty good T&C but not great, fair durability, not especially agile but not immobile and a never say die attitude. I think GMK Baragon can be compared to Showa Anguirus in terms of sheer power. |
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| EternalMothra | Jun 24 2006, 10:31 PM Post #21 |
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How is the spirit bomb more powerful? |
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| Replay | Jun 25 2006, 12:50 PM Post #22 |
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There are two, and ONLY two attacks more powerful than the Spirit bomb: Mana Beam Transending fate It easily blasted a good chunk out of the second most durible kaiju EVER! Second only to AM. And the only resons those 99.8% of kaiju survived was either due to weak weapons, bad aim, or Regen. |
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| Imperater | Jun 25 2006, 03:06 PM Post #23 |
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The AZC that can freeze anything in one hit, MG '75 city block rooting missiles, and Meltdown Godzilla 1970+ beam that can almost blowing up Destroyer in one shot and blowing up anything else near in one shot, and a bunch of other I can't remember on the top of my head.
And how is he the "most durible kaiju eva!!!1"? Because he survive a small port explostion? Wow. GFW Godzilla survive a nuke level explostion. Heisei Godzilla actually survive a nuke. G2K/GMMG Godzillas survive a city block explotion.
Which make kaijus durible. Look at Bio. She should've died when half of her head was blown off, but with regeneration, she survive. And And Mothra GMMG have no regeneration, and survive something better than what GMK Godzilla ever took. She was dying and she survived it. |
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| Biochemitra | Jun 25 2006, 04:03 PM Post #24 |
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You have three sets of eyes, how many of them were focuses on the screen when KG used the spirit bomb because I guarantee you, that was FAR more than a city block explosion! There are many cereatures more durable than GMK Godzilla, HOWEVER, he is still probably one of the most physically tough creatures shown. Not THE most but certainly one of them.
The meltdown beam did nothing to blow Destroyah up in one shot....The spirit bomb tore through Godzilla's hide and sent him flying. |
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| Imperater | Jun 25 2006, 06:18 PM Post #25 |
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Small port = city block? Uh...no. It was like three station for ships. That's it. That does not = city block.
No, granted, I didn't check my post and get rid of the 'ing', so I probably confuse you a bit there... |
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