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    GMK Godzilla; Is he really such a wimp?
    Topic Started: Apr 11 2006, 02:09 PM (2,602 Views)
    Kyodi
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    Hmm...I was just wondering, however, since the title is King or Wimp, which does GMK Godzilla qualify as?

    King: (according to the Oxford American Dictionary) the second definition says, "A person or thing preeminent in a specified field or class; the third is, "a large, or the largest kind of plant, animal , etc.", such as the King Penguin, King Cobra et. al.

    I think Godzilla qualifies there...he was definitely a lot bigger than anything else and was definitely the preeminent force in this movie.

    Wimp: a feeble or ineffectual person.(same source)

    Godzilla was neither feeble nor ineffectual in this movie.
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    lol, very precise aren't we Kyodi? :lol:

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    Steve
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    Hrm. In literal terms like that, I guess GMK *is* the "King", seeing as he's the strongest singular force in the movie.
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    *chuckling* Yes, I can be too precise. But, by those same terms, two Goji were NOT kings in their flicks...care to hazard a guess which two I'm thinking of?
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    Being precise is a good thing though Kyodi. In fact, I agree with your points, as well as Steve's.

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    Jun 29 2006, 10:32 PM

    GMK's H2H isn't bad, though I don't consider beating up on three smaller, weaker Kaiju in close combat to be a hugely impressive feat.

    One thing that I noticed was that he took all three out with 0 damage being done except for the Spirit Ball.
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    No, he was bitten a couple times by Ghidorah, leaving wounds. Mothra's stingers did some damage I'm sure, especially since his face was hit. But I don't think it was severe.

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    Jul 1 2006, 02:46 PM
    No, he was bitten a couple times by Ghidorah, leaving wounds. Mothra's stingers did some damage I'm sure, especially since his face was hit. But I don't think it was severe.

    KG's bites and Mothra's stingers did NOTHING to his outer skin. Heck, he never even once made any sign of pain, except mabye with Ghidorahs electric bite.
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    Yes. GMK is of average strength, but because he dominated a Kaiju a third of his size, beat a tiny Mothra with only a weak stinger attack and a Ghidorah that can't fly without being empowered by spiritual energy, that had only one worthwhile attack that it can use only once, he *seemed* a lot stronger then he was. That was Kaneko's plan; make Godzilla's opponents smaller and weaker then he is to make Godzilla seem that much stronger in comparison- keep in mind that Kaneko originally wanted him to fight Angilas and Varan, not Mothra and Ghidorah.

    I'm 20 years old and about 6', 170lbs. Average size, nothing really to write home about. If I go into a schoolyard and beat up on some random eight year old, and then fight a ten and a twelve year old and beat them too, does that make me T3H Str0ng3st? No, it doesn't, but I'd look strong compared to them. :P

    Put GMK Godzilla against a Kaiju that doesn't suck and I don't see him doing any better then any other Godzilla. He's screwed against an opponent with a good peircing attack, such as Megaguirus' stinger or Spacegodzilla's Corona beam. Break his skin and make a deep enough wound and he's toast.
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    If he faced other incarnations of Mothra or Ghidorah, he's going to be in a lot of pain. I'm sure even Heisei Mothra or Ghidorah would be able to possibly tie against him.

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    I agree with the above completely (I'd love to see him against Mecha-King Ghidorah, LOL) but you have to take him as you get him, and since this thread is talking about whether he ruled in his own movie...someone needs to start a thread pitting him against other kaiju somewhere, I think, THEN we'd get to truly judge whether this Godzilla is a king or wimp.(and, man oh man would we see some fur fly then, eh?)
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    Ok, the question is asking whether he is a king or a wimp. In GMK he is definately the "king". If he was to fight other monsters he wouldnt be a "wimp" either because he wouldnt run away like the showa Gigan did. GMK Godzilla would stay and fight as long as possible against any monster. I mean, he was trying to find Baragon, Mothra, and King Ghidorah right?

    Final verdict....in GMK he is a king. Against any other monster he is not a wimp or king.
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    Jul 1 2006, 02:46 PM
    No, he was bitten a couple times by Ghidorah, leaving wounds. Mothra's stingers did some damage I'm sure, especially since his face was hit. But I don't think it was severe.

    KG's bites and Mothra's stingers did NOTHING to his outer skin. Heck, he never even once made any sign of pain, except mabye with Ghidorahs electric bite.

    No actually godzilla winced a little like when you get pinched lightly.

    But goji dominated in this movie, though the monsters were weaker he just bulldozed right threw all of them.
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    He did feel pain from the stingers and bites.
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    GMK Godzilla is an average powered Godzilla. So he survived a whole bunch of drill missiles, so did every other Godzilla. And he may have survived the Spirit Bomb, but Godzilla Heisei was trapped in lava for 6 years, and he doesn't have super powerful skin, so why should GMK Godzilla? So, IMO his hide is overrated.

    And his ray maybe pretty powerful, but it takes why to long to charge. Heisei, GFW and GXM can fire off beams much more powerful than that, can it didn't take them as long to fire off a beam. GMK Godzilla's ray is not worth it.

    To those who say, "Oh, GMK Godzilla beat three kaiju no problem!" Well I hate to break it to ya', but those kaiju are down right weak. Baragon never showed that he could do very much, King Ghidorah kept walking right into the hits, and Mothra...well, she's just weak. Kaiju's like Rodan (Fire and Showa), Mothra (Heisei), Anguirus (Showa and GFW) and any other kaiju stronger than the ones I just stated could have done the exact same thing GMK Godzilla did to Mothra, Baragon and King Ghidorah, and could have done even better.

    Here's how I would rank the Godzilla's in strength, from strongest to weakest:
    Meltdown
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    GXM
    Heisei
    G2K
    GMK
    GXMG/GMMG
    Showa
    1954

    As you can see, GMK is around the middle of the list and is only stronger than three Godzilla's. So, in conclusion, GMK Godzilla is an average powered Godzilla.
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    That's a good place to put him, I think. Of course, those little bitty kaiju (relatively speaking) were born waaaay to early because Godzilla decided to show up too early. A strategy on the part of the Spirits of the Dead that powered him maybe?
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    Well, it really wasn't his strategy, it was that dead professor's.

    Maybe he should have woken them in 1954...
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    Just adding my 2 cents.

    GMK is average. His beam requires a fairly long charge time to use, making him vulnerable to all sorts of ranged attacks in the meantime, or incredibly easy to dodge. His hide thickness is really not all that tough. As Inferno Rodan pointed out at TK, Godzilla spent the time between G'85 and Biollante sitting in a volcano. His hide is definately more durable than GMK Godzilla's (and given the advanced nature of the weapons that did penetrate Heisei's hide, it's no wonder he bled. Biollante's vines were pretty tough too, but they went through his hand, which is easier than say, going through his gut). GMK's act of active regen is a definate downsde. Had GMK been pitted against some of the Heisei/Millenium foes, it would have been his downfall. He is not the strongest (and neither is GFW), but he is certainly not the weakest either.

    Also, for the record, this always boils down to one thing. "Was he really strong, or did he just fight weak monsters?"

    I am of the opinion that the GMK monsters were weak and Godzilla was not that strong. I am of the opinion that most of the foes in GFW were weak and that Godzilla is only slightly better than his Heisei counterpart is some respects.

    And that's my 2 cents -flips a couple of pennies onto the table-
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    For the drill missle part, those drill missles were built to go through mountains and they did not do jack to GMK godzilla, where as the drill shells in Godzilla vs. biollante went through godzilla's hide and I dougt the shells are stronger then the GMK drill missles. As for lava, that just shows he is highly heat resident. Heck, supermechagodzilla's trainglizer missles blow some of his hide as well, just look closely at his thigh after the exsplosion.
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    Why does his healing and strength have to determine if he's a wimp or not. He's no wimp, he took on all three kaiju without tiring or any sign of holding back. I'd say he's king, because he's still Godzilla
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    I like GMK Godzilla, but his overration is quite irritating.

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    That doesn't effect who he is. Why does it matter if people see him more than he is? That's their own personal thoughts and beliefs.
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    Then what's wrong with me seeing Mothra with different beliefs? You know why I don't very much, because I get BSed at for doing so. And frankly it isn't fair.

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    It shouldn't matter, if you really like Mothra that much, then what other people think shouldn't be a huge problem in your life
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    You'd be surprised. I'm not offended by liking Mothra, I'm offended by people's rudeness to me because I do. It isn't the funnest thing you know.

    Nevertheless, I do like GMK Goji don't get me wrong. But when ever there are battles or tournaments, everybody always makes GMK goji out to be as powerful as a God almost, when it is not true, in a few ways.

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