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    Mothra's Future?
    Topic Started: May 31 2006, 10:27 PM (3,658 Views)
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    Well, it happened in between the Showa and Heisei era, I guess there is still hope. :)

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    Strangelove is correct, and has a very logical point.

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    As much as I like seeing military conflict on my computer or in a movie, I still prefer seeing Godzilla stomp a building to the ground over seeing ANY military action. Monsters have a certain charm.
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    I do agree. In the original Mothra, I think they could have done better with the adult Mothra destruction scenes, like having her slam into buildings, and land on top of them, crushing them. She just flew around and blew them over.

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    Jun 12 2006, 09:58 PM
    As much as I like seeing military conflict on my computer or in a movie, I still prefer seeing Godzilla stomp a building to the ground over seeing ANY military action. Monsters have a certain charm.

    I agree. Seeing the monster destroy a town is much more exciting then seeing military doing it.
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    Jun 8 2006, 09:24 PM
    Yeah I love suits too. It will cost Toho a lot of money to start doing their movies in complete CGI, however I would love to see Mothra and Goji in CGI. Isn't Mothra partly that? I could have swore I read it in an interview.

    Actually, a change from live action to CGI wouldn't be that far of a financial stretch for Toho, since they are making animated features right now with CGI elements in them.

    Kaiju films are as much a part of American pop-culture as Bugs Bunny and Campbell's soup (mmm-mmm good). You can walk up to any person living in this country and say "Who's Godzilla"? and they can, for the most part, tell you. You can show them a picture of Godzilla, and they can identify him. Mothra is almost as big.

    I recently, out of bored curiosity, took two photos of the kaiju in question and showed them around campus. Out of 500 people I showed here in podunk Alabama...every single one of them knew who Godzilla was, and 65% of them knew Mothra. Even if they couldn't tell me her name every single time, they all said, "That's the big moth that fought Godzilla, right?"

    So have no fear...even if Toho decides to stop making kaiju films...someone else will.
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    Jun 13 2006, 02:51 AM
    Kaiju films are as much a part of American pop-culture as Bugs Bunny and Campbell's soup (mmm-mmm good).  You can walk up to any person living in this country and say "Who's Godzilla"? and they can, for the most part, tell you.  You can show them a picture of Godzilla, and they can identify him.  Mothra is almost as big. 


    I would pretty much agree. Much of the older auidences remember atleast the "Big Four" of Toho's monsters and I even remember talking to some woman about the Showa Gamera films while waiting in line for Revenge of the Sith. And I know that some of the younger generation remembers Godzilla not only because of films being shown on TV but because of the past two video games releases.


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    So have no fear...even if Toho decides to stop making kaiju films...someone else will.


    Exactly, if Negadon and Godzilla: Zero Hour have shown us anything it is that the fandom is still strong and if the studios aren't ready to make the films, the fans are more than ready to step up.
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    Mothra's future is the same as all of Toho's kaiju right now.... a long rest while Toho waits for audience demand to build up enough to make the genre profitable again. Toho has repeatedly said they won't make another monster movie for another 5-10 years, so I don't expect to see anything with Mothra for quite a while.

    EM, some of the things you've posted are very innaccurate:

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    Jun 3 2006, 03:13 PM
    I have seen a lot of complaints about Mothra's screen time. If it wasn't for Mothra being in Goji movies, Toho would have probably scrapped Goij a long time ago. After the original Godzilla, people really weren't watching the sequels until Mothra vs. Godzilla. (Mothra was pretty popular after her original movie) the world was excited to see two of the most popular monsters duke it out.


    As Darkside Reject pointed out, that's not true at all. GODZILLA VS MOTHRA was the fourth Godzilla film, and the first three had HUGE ticket sales.
    1. GODZILLA sold 9,691,000 tickets
    2. GODZILLA RAIDS AGAIN sold 8,340,000
    3. KING KONG VS GODZILLA sold 11,200,000 tickets.

    These were the biggest hits of the Godzilla series (KING KONG VS GODZILLA still holds the record as the biggest seller of the entire Godzilla series). Saying people weren't watching the sequels before Mothra was added to the Godzilla series is completely wrong, especially since ticket sales for GODZILLA VS MOTHRA were much, much lower than was the case with the other films:
    4. GODZILLA VS MOTHRA sold 3,510,000 tickets

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    In the 60s, Mothra surpassed Goji in popularity until Mothra vs. Goji was made. So it is very possible it could happen again.


    That's not true either. GODZILLA and GODZILLA RAIDS AGAIN were massive hits, but Toho thought that meant audiences wanted more big special effects films, not more movies featuring the same monster. Their next big fx movie was RODAN, which was another hit (tickets sales were slightly lower than the Godzilla films) followed by THE MYSTERIANS, which did not do as well. Over the next few years, Toho tried a mix of different kinds of special fx movies including THE H-MAN, VARAN, BATTLE IN OUTER SPACE, SECRET OF THE TELEGIAN, THE HUMAN VAPOR, and THE LAST WAR. Movies with monsters tended to do better at the box office, so Toho decided to make MOTHRA in 1961.

    MOTHRA was another huge hit, with ticket sales around the same level as GODZILLA RAIDS AGAIN. That doesn't mean Mothra surpassed Godzilla in popularity. Right after MOTHRA came out, Toho was offered a chance to make a movie where King Kong fights another monster. Toho picked Godzilla because he was their most popular monster.

    When KING KONG VS GODZILLA broke sales records, Toho decided to make a series of Godzilla films. Since MOTHRA was the biggest hit of the non-Godzilla films, Toho made Mothra Godzilla's next opponent. Rodan was made part of the 5th Godzilla film because he was the star of Toho's second most popular non-Godzilla kaiju film. Godzilla, Rodan, and Mothra appeared in several 1960s films because they had been Toho's first three monster "stars".

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    Exactly, if Negadon and Godzilla: Zero Hour have shown us anything it is that the fandom is still strong and if the studios aren't ready to make the films, the fans are more than ready to step up.


    NEGADON is an independent movie, not a fan film like Zero Hour. The film's director has worked in the Japanese film industry for years... his credits include GMK.
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    Oh I didn't know that. I was just basing everything off from the "It Came From Japan" Godzilla documentary on TV.....

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    Well I think kpa just wooped you EM. LOL

    But seriously everything that kpa said was going through my mind when you were talking about that EM.

    King Kong vs Godzilla is the greatest monster movie(ticket sales wise) and it was made before Mothra. Rodan, like kpa said, also did very well. Saying Mothra is higher in popularity probably was of course but saying Mothra is popular isnt.
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    Jun 13 2006, 11:14 PM
    Well I think kpa just wooped you EM. LOL

    But seriously everything that kpa said was going through my mind when you were talking about that EM.

    King Kong vs Godzilla is the greatest monster movie(ticket sales wise) and it was made before Mothra. Rodan, like kpa said, also did very well. Saying Mothra is higher in popularity probably was of course but saying Mothra is popular isnt.

    It's not my fault, it is the people who made that documentary. I was basing the info off from that because they did say that Mothra took the ultimate popularity for a couple years after her movie was made.....They must have their info wrong.

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    So you are saying that Mothra isn't popular at all? :huh:

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    Jun 13 2006, 10:14 PM
    Saying Mothra is higher in popularity probably was of course but saying Mothra is popular isnt.

    :confused: I dont remember saying it like that.
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    I love this site!! Here I was spiralling into a slow depression because I thought I was the only person who watched obscure Toho films as well as really obscure independant American horror movies, and you people *sniffle* have given me hope that there are other true lovers of all things cinematic out there.

    Not to change the subject, but I'm curious...has anyone else seen Infra-Man?

    BTW, EM, I saw that documentary...I don't think they were trying to be deliberately inaccurate, but More people know who Mothra is than Rodan, so making such claims would be a great way to get more people to watch it. The facts, however, speak for themselves. I say this cuz, THEY didn't mention "The Mysterians" or "Atragon" or anything else Toho except Godzilla and Mothra.
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    Well, we still have ultraman for kaiju and I guess we will have to see how his new movie does. Also, negadon did pretty well.

    Anyways, I think mothra will come back once toho starts kaiju movies again. From what I gathered, it seems japan likes the godzilla movies to be dark and serious but they do not like to see the same thing or kaiju with godzilla in two movies in a row. Here is why.

    GvsMG74 did well. Then TOMG did not do well. Both had godzilla and mechagodzilla in it. Both had mechagodzilla trying to do the same thing to godzilla. Shot him with all his weabons.
    Now come to godzilla against mechagodzilla and tokyo sos. The former did well. The latter did not. Both had godzilla and mechagodzilla doing similar things. I hope I am making sense.
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    I think you mean, darthzilla99 (cool name by the way !!!), that Toho shouldn't keep recycling ideas. Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla is fine, but they shouldn't follow it up with another one.

    Am I right?
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    Toho will have to release kaiju movies every three years or so now. When Godzilla comes back they shouldnt release another the next year, take your time and come up with a great idea, use it, do the absolute best with special effect, and take your time. That is what is needed now.
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    Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I actually thought ToMG was far more mature and well-done than Gvs.MG. Now this is pure ignorant speculation here, but I think its poor attendance figures can be more attributed to the low quality of the post-DAM films overall. Gvs.MG managed to reverse the trend because it was a 20th anniversery film and had an interesting-looking new foe, but when that had come and gone, it was back into a decline. I just think this is one of those cases where ticket sales =/= movie quality.

    Now T:SOS, that deserved its flop, since it was essentially fusing GxMG (which I liked very much) with Godzilla vs. Mothra.
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    Gee...I thought it was neat how they brought the two stories together like that.
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    You make a lot of sense rodanguirus, partially because we both believe the same thing about ToMG and Tokyo SOS. ;)

    And Cookson has the right idea about how Toho should wait two or three years in between each release to not only have some nice pre/post-production time but also to build up anticipation. Anyone recall the wait between Gamera 2 and Gamera 3?
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    Jun 21 2006, 03:36 AM
    I think you mean, darthzilla99 (cool name by the way !!!), that Toho shouldn't keep recycling ideas. Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla is fine, but they shouldn't follow it up with another one.

    Am I right?

    Your pretty warm. And thank you for the complament. Anyways, its not so much has having the same monsters as having them do the same thing as before. Another example I will give is Godzilla vs. spacegodzilla and godzilla vs. mechagodzilla II. Now I used to think that godzilla vs. spacegodzilla did the third best next to godzilla vs. king ghidorah and godzilla and mothra: the battle for earth as far as money goes from what I have read on toho kingdom, but now I know I was looking at the us dollar, when I should have looked at the yen. (very dum of me. :( ) Also read japan's favorite mon-star. Anyways, godzilla vs. mechagodzilla 2 did better. Notice that godzilla kills spacegodzilla almost the same way he beat mechagodzilla.

    Now, I am not saying that this the only reason, but it could be one of them. Now, here a few tips to make a good godzilla movie.
    1. Find a director that has either done kaiju movies/shows before, or is a fan of godzilla.
    2. Find out what type of kaiju movies or movies has the director done. Does he do dark and serious kaiju movies or does he do lighter and cheeser movies/ shows.If the former, he is a good pick for godzilla.
    3. Find out what the auidence wants.
    4. See his past movies,see how they did at the box office, what was his budget, did he like his/her movie, and decide.
    5. Give the direactor a good amount of money, but not too much. Give him at least a little bit higher than his last movies, but not too much.
    6.Give him /her a good amount of time. (at least a year and a half at the very least!)
    7. If the movie is a hit and want to do a sequal, have it similar in some ways but not the same thing everything. For examble, if godzilla killed the kaiju using a super powered breath attack, have him kill the kaiju in a different way in the next movie.
    8.Use one popolar kaiju in the one movie, then use a different popolar kaiju in the next one.
    9. Make some rules for the director on what he can and can't do to a kaiju with design and powers. For examble, Mechagodzilla needs to be a robot verison of godzilla that has lots of weapons that he shoots out. Rodan needs to be a fast flying kaiju that uses sonic booms, wind gusts, but no beam weabon. Godzilla must beable to take milantary fire, breaths nuclear fire at least, and keeps fighting. Gigan needs to be a cyborg that mainly guts his foes with cutting weabons of sorts, can have a eye laser or not, has at least a saw for a belly, and does at least one fly by in the movie. Kumonga just needs to be a spider, as long as he spits web, make any type spider and give him powers that a type of spider might have.(heck, study spiders and make him the ultamate hyprid of a spider.) As for like Kamacuras, same thing as kumonga, just with mantises.
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    ^I think Toho needs to get new kaiju for there movies now. Thats one of the new ideas that I was talking about. Keeping some of the oldies are ok but its definately time for some new ones. I'm sure there are people that work for Toho that can come up with a new monster and have a good story behind it, I certainly hope so.
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    I'm starting to wonder if Toho has lost all creative ability. You can only think up so many different mutations before you start copying old ones without knowing it.

    I rather think Biollante was inspired by Hedorah, though probably not conciously.
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    I'm starting to wonder if Toho has lost all creative ability. You can only think up so many different mutations before you start copying old ones without knowing it.

    I rather think Biollante was inspired by Hedorah, though probably not conciously.

    TOHO really needs to come up with good ideas, the Millennium-movies really dind't come up with much ideas IMO.
    But on the other hand, they always will be inspired by older ideas of them, and that's just ok.I think that's just normal, nobody can create something that's extremely new.
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    All ideas are based on previous ideas to an extent.

    Biollante may have had something to do with Hedorah but nontheless, remains one of Toho's most original creations to date.
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