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    Panzertox & Hikaru vs Berserk Fuhrer & Gigan
    Topic Started: Aug 27 2007, 10:55 PM (2,273 Views)
    Biochemitra
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    Panzertox & Hikaru

    VS.

    Berserk Fuhrer & Gigan

    Arena: Osaka

    Time: Night
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    Omegarex24
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    Well, IR, you got your wish.

    Ok, so let's review the facts here. We've got a speed demon and a lumbering tank vs a pair fo walking Combine Harvesters. Hikaru is the first to fall, I can guarentee it. He'll put the hurt on the BF or Gigan if he hits them, I'm sure, but one solid smack from either of them and he becomes so much roadkill. And both have really good reaction times as well, so this is highly likely to occur. After that, Gigan annoys Panzertox while the BF takes him out with the TCPC or SCPC, since he'll have ample time to charge that up before Wally can close in.

    Winners: Gigan and Berserk Fuhrer
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    Alright, yes, Hikaru *is* going to die in this...but he's actually got a better chance of taking out someone here, than he did the last match.

    I'd imagine BF will go down with a single pass. Why? Buzzsaw. Mach 3. Nuff' said. Yeah, Hikaru is most likely going to die in that suicide run, but hey, that brings it down to Gigan vs Wally...


    And there isn't much Gigan can do to Wally. Wally is a tank, Gigan has no anti-tank weapon.
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    Omegarex24
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    You'll also notice the BF has superb durability and invulnerability stats, as well as a high stamina. his armor is of the same type as the Gojulas', but not as thick. Yuo also have to contend with the fact that thsi BF is, for all intents and puposes, the same as the his anime counterpart in terms of speed and reaction times. Hikaru isn't going to like it if he runs into that unbreakable shield of hsi at Mach 3 either, as doing so would probably splatter him all over the place.

    The BF isn't going to die in the initial pass, or even in subsequent passes. And Gigan's ability to fly at Mach 4 (at low altitudes no less), and teleportation allows him to take full advantage of Wally's relatively slowness to strike at Hikaru. The BF, being the second slowest combatant here in terms of landspeed, is an easy target, but he more than compensates for it with his reaction times. And if he gets off an LPC, Hikaru is screwed, because I don't see him being able to dodge a near lightspeed beam.
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    Whoa, deja vu... a friend of mine once asked in jest whether a scaled-up Armortox could take on a Berserk Fury... I guess I'll just rehash what I brought up in my prior analysis.

    Wally *is* at a disadvantage against faster opponents. However, he compensates by having a ranged weapon that is very useful for engaging fast opponents, (his eyebeam.) As I mentioned in the Wendigo/Thunder battle, rapid-fire weapons are extremely potent against fast moving targets; just ask any fighter pilot.

    The Berserk Fury is heavily armoured, yes, but its joints are still vulnerable to attack and its eggbeaters are spindly and fragile. A well placed shot from the Shadow Fox's 30mm laser vulcan gun managed to tear off the Fury's buster claw; I see no reason why Wally's eyebeams couldn't do something similar.

    The only ranged weapon of the BF's that'll do it any good is its CPC, which takes a long time to charge and renders the Zoid immobile. Wally likes to close and shred, yes, but he beam-spams whilst doing so; not to mention his power beam is just as powerful as the BF's CPC, can be fired freely and has a much shorter chargeup time.

    Also: no idea if this applies to this version of the Berserk Fury, but the E-Shield on its battle story incarnation was penetrated by suppressive fire via Gunbluster; it's strong enough to stand up to a CPC but prolonged firepower will tear it down. BF's E-shield takes one hard blast well but fails against beam spammage.

    So... Wally against Berserk Fury = Wally FTW. Not quite sure about Hikaru vs Gigan though.
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    Aug 28 2007, 12:17 AM
    Well, IR, you got your wish.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Indeed.


    Okay, let's run through the scenarios real quick here. Hikaru goes after BF, he either gets mowed down or splatters against an energy shield. Hikaru goes after Gigan, he gets shredded by god knows what horrible instruments of multilation. Wally goes after BF, he gets his beams blocked by BF's shield and then either nuked by a SCPC or torn into by a set of Buster Claws. Wally goes after Gigan, about the same thing will happen that would against Hikaru, it'll just take longer.

    It really doesn't matter who fights who first. Hikaru will be dead very quickly, leaving Wally to try to fend off both BF and Gigan simultaneously. A feat which he quite simply is not capable of doing, especially considering either one could bring him down after a while.

    Winners: Berserk Fuhrer and Gigan.
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    Steve
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    M'kay, let's put some things into perspective shall we?

    Wally is one of, if not *the* most massive contestants in the FFKT. Here's a rough size comparison between him and the Berserk Fury.

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    Fluffy Bunny is screwed against Wally in melee. Wally is physically stronger and has superior reach. If it attampts to use its eggbeaters they'll get shredded by Wally's tailblade, like so:

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    ^That's the Liger Zero's Strike Laser Claw. Imagine a similar weapon, only much bigger and sharper and moving much, MUCH faster. Fast-enough-to-pluck-Megaguirus-out-of-the-air fast.

    Tailblade > Buster claws. Close combat is not a wise option for the Berserk Fury against Wally.

    The Berserk Fury's secondary ranged weapons will be of little use against Wally; reflective armour FTW.

    Its main CPC might cripple Wally, but it won't kill him; with a rating of 9, it's weaker than Wally's own power beam and barely lower than Wally's invulnerablity stat of 9.5; on top of that, the CPC takes a long time to charge and renders the Zoid immobile. Wally's stronger Power Beam takes less time to charge and can be fired freely. In the time that it takes the BF to fire one CPC, Wally could fire three or four power beams.

    The only weapon the BF has that's a sure thing against Wally is the Triple CPC... which renders the Zoid immobile, takes even longer to charge and also disables its shield. Wally could blast it with eight power beams in the time it takes for the BF to charge one TCPC. Not that he'd need to use it; the eyebeams could shred the buster claws quite nicely.

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    ^The Berserk Fury's buster claw being blasted off by the Shadow Fox's 30mm laser vulcan gun. Wally's eyebeams are way stronger and have a similar rate of fire.

    The shield might protect the BF for a while... but it'll be torn down by continuous fire. I haven't been given any reason to disbelieve that Wally couldn't pull a Gunbluster and rip through it with prolonged beam spamming.

    If Wally can defeat the Berserk Fury (and I've given plenty of reasons to suggest that he could) he could team up with Hikaru and take down Gigan, assuming Gigan hasn't already killed it. If it has... well, like Strangelove mentioned earlier, it has no anti-tank weapon.

    Winner: Hikaru and Wally.
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    Aug 31 2007, 03:32 AM
    M'kay, let's put some things into perspective shall we?

    Wally is one of, if not *the* most massive contestants in the FFKT. Here's a rough size comparison between him and the Berserk Fury.

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    Isn't that a bit of an exaggerration? BF also happens to be 103 meters in length, longer than Wally's 88 meter height, so he's obviously larger in comparison than in the pic. Of course, that lessens Berserk's density quite a bit as well, considering the BF is what, a third of Panzertok's total weight/mass? Damn, I could definitely see Wally beating the Fuhrer to a pulp if he gets that chance...
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    Well, the BF is kinda standing on an angle in that pic, so it might look a bit smaller than it is... it's an extremely rough size comparison. I just wanted to highlight the massive size disparity between the two. xp
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    Actually, BF is less than half Wally's height, so really, it's a fairly accurate comparison.

    Btw, WHOA MAMA!! 0_0

    In any case, Steve brings up some good points, and there's still the freakin' SIZE difference between them.

    Granted, it's still something of a two-on-one, but I think I'm convinced of Wally's ability to handle them both.

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    <.<..Wally is a *Big boy*...

    Jesus Christ, it looks like he could squash the Berserk Fueher like a goddamn bug...

    Right. Hikaru's involvement no longer matters. Wally is just gonna' crush them.
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    Omegarex24
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    Ever heard the phrase "size doesn't matter"?

    Wally may be huge and frikken outclass every member of the tournament in that department, but he's still a lumbering behemoth. The BF is smart enough to see that melee with Wally would likely be a bad idea, and he's going to keep a distance between the two of them. And since Hikaru isn't going to last all that long (he might get one or two hits in before he's shredded), that leaves Wally against Gigan and a mostly intact BF.

    Now, the Fuhrer doesn't just have to use the CPC. He could use those LPCs, since he doesn't have to stop moving to use them, or his beam cannons, which are designed to punch through tough armor with ease. Wally's like a tank vs highly maneuverable rocket car and a teleporting slaughterhouse. Wally might be able to take down the BF before he can deploy some of his uber heavy weaponry, but by that time, he'll have enough holes in his armor and/or be slowed down enough that Gigan can do hit and run to finish the job.

    It won't be easy. Wally is a damage sink comparable to, or even surpassing the Gojulas Giga. He can take quite a licking and keep on ticking. However, He does have large, easily attacked eyes, which lakc the armor covering the rest of his body, and if Gigan/BF gets a few well placed shots in there, they can take Wally down. Gigan would have an easier time of it than BF, but it can be done.
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    Ah, but here's the kicker; even when blinded, Wally can still use his Power Beam with reasonable accuracy. According to my Platox species profile...

    http://koobine.deviantart.com/art/Kreature...Platox-54538438

    "It is gifted with a keen sense of smell, among the best of all Kreatures. Their sense of smell is actually better than their hearing and eyesight."

    As long as he can still *smell* Gigan and the BF, he can still track them.
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    Ok, hearing them I could understand, but I doubt abut smelling. I know meal has a kind of scent to it, but I'm fairly certain it's not strong like say, sweat or blood. And since neither of these two sweat or bleed (well, Gigan kind of does, but not in the typical sense), then that would make it harder to track them. And with Gigan's teleportation, I doubt Wally's going to hit him with any reasonable accuracy.
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    I know metal has a kind of scent to it, but I'm fairly certain it's not strong like say, sweat or blood.


    Machines give off all sorts of odours. Not just the metal, but coolant, hydraulic fluids and lubricants; I'm willing to bet the Berserk Fury's boosters will give off some kind of aroma as well. And, any damage inflicted on them will give off scents as well, such as melted metal and smoke and such. Plus, there's the sheer mass of these two to take into account; the bigger something is, logically, the more odour it will emit.

    And, of course, as seen in the sample battle, Wally isn't so stupid that he won't try to cover his face. ;p
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    Here's what I have to say: Wally ftw. Now, I actually think that Hikaru will play a small but crucial role in this battle, but that comes a bit later. Wally *will* beat BF. His armor will reflect some of the LPC/CPC should BF use them (they're still beams), and his size and strength give him a serious edge. Gigan, well, he'll be a pest but Wally can take him unless he's too badly injured, which he most likely won't be.

    Now for Hikaru. He's either going to take out BF, or give Wally the opening he needs. How? Well, let's see: super heated, uber-sharp blades+high speed+machine that needs cables and wires etc to run=dead. Or, BF takes his attention off Wally, blocks Hikaru, and then gets spattered by Wally. Leaving Gigan.

    Winners: Panzertox and Hikaru

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    I normally wouldn't throw my hat into this but; there's a consenus that Hikaru is going down in this battle but not before getting in a couple of hits at the very least.

    Well, what's to say Hikaru is going to go for the Fuhrer?

    Hikaru's smart, he nearly tops the charts according to his stats and his least powerful weapons match Gigan's Invulnerability stat -- most of his weapons exceed Gigan's Invulnerability by a fair bit.

    So, it's entirely possible that Hikaru can cripple Gigan before being splattered or at least damage him enough for Wally to take out Gigan with the Eye Beams which leaves Wally and the Fuhrer.

    Really, those two are going to get into a slapfight unless one of them goes for broke and pulls out the big guns because neither of their "light" weapons possess the ability to inflict telling damage at range and we've already established Wally can fall on the Fuhrer and still win through sheer size and mass.

    Though, here's another point -- what's to stop Hikaru from using Wally as a meatshield until an opportune moment? Or using the terrain to do the same? They are fighting in a cityscape and with Hikaru's speed and agility he can use the larger buildings for temporary cover and work his way closer to either opponent very, very quickly. Not to mention it's hard to keep your guns trained on something moving several times the speed of sound. Not possible....but very difficult.

    If one of them takes time out to deal wiht Hikaru that leaves Wally open to take a few shots at them and even if Hikaru gets splattered there's not much that can stop him from reaching melee distance and using those scythes to inflict some hefty damage.

    The fact Hikaru is going down is foregone...but he's a factor in the outcome because it's likely he can cripple Gigan before dying or inflict enough damage on the Fuhrer to make a difference.
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    The vast majority of your argument fails, Steve, due to the fact that my BF is not the anime or Battle Story version. The presence of Light Particle Cannons, Buster Claws with the ability to to surge massive amounts of electricity, and ability to boost in a manner similar (and superior) to a Genosaurer should tell you that.

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    Tailblade > Buster claws.

    Their power stats are equal.

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    The Berserk Fury's secondary ranged weapons will be of little use against Wally; reflective armour FTW.

    'Cept directed particle weapons aren't beams.

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    Its main CPC might cripple Wally, but it won't kill him; with a rating of 9, it's weaker than Wally's own power beam and barely lower than Wally's invulnerablity stat of 9.5; on top of that, the CPC takes a long time to charge and renders the Zoid immobile. Wally's stronger Power Beam takes less time to charge and can be fired freely. In the time that it takes the BF to fire one CPC, Wally could fire three or four power beams.

    Firstly, the SCPC's power rating is 9.5. Secondly, there's nothing stopping BF from activating his shield while he's charging it, blocking Wally's charged beam, then deactivating the shield and blasting Wally in the face with the SCPC.

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    ^The Berserk Fury's buster claw being blasted off by the Shadow Fox's 30mm laser vulcan gun. Wally's eyebeams are way stronger and have a similar rate of fire.

    Too bad BF can, and will, simply raise his shield...

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    The shield might protect the BF for a while... but it'll be torn down by continuous fire. I haven't been given any reason to disbelieve that Wally couldn't pull a Gunbluster and rip through it with prolonged beam spamming.

    Considering BF's Frontal Shield can survive a close-range nuclear explosion with ease, and the fact that I state in the bio that it is essentially unbreakable...

    Oh, and this is the proper size comparison:

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    Yeah... Wally is still gonna be in for hell if BF decides to get in his face.
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    ...Right. Frontal Shield.


    This is where Hikaru gets to use his speed to his advantage. If you're protecting the front, and not protecting the rear...where will you strike? The rear. Even if Hikaru just slices off the things that project the shield, and is then killed by Gigan/BF breaking every bone in his body, it doesn't mater much, because Wally can now pound BF with a relentless assault.
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    The vast majority of your argument fails, Steve, due to the fact that my BF is not the anime or Battle Story version. The presence of Light Particle Cannons, Buster Claws with the ability to to surge massive amounts of electricity, and ability to boost in a manner similar (and superior) to a Genosaurer should tell you that.


    Beyond those additions you mentioned I haven't been given reason to assume that they're vastly different from eachother; the differences are minor and mostly expansions of its existing capabilities. A BF is a BF is a BF. The same weaknesses still apply. The FFKT Berserk Fury's bio was incredibly vague, so I'm using the other versions of the BF to fill in the gaps.

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    'Cept directed particle weapons aren't beams.


    Neither is lightning. Lightning bolt = essentially a particle beam. If Wally can reflect a lightning bolt (and he can, this was established way back in round one) then he can reflect a particle beam.

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    Their power stats are equal.


    I didn't say anything about their power stats, my point was that there's nothing stopping Wally from just ripping through the buster claws. His tail is faster and his blade sturdier than the blades on the buster claws.

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    Considering BF's Frontal Shield can survive a close-range nuclear explosion with ease, and the fact that I state in the bio that it is essentially unbreakable...


    Nuclear explosion = quick, sudden, massive surge of energy. World of difference between multiple, consecutive massive surges of energy. Its shield isn't indestructable; it can't be. No power rating was given for the BF's shield... funny, that. Regardless, the BF's invulnerability rating is a 9. I'm assuming that this takes the shield into account.

    Wally's Power Beam surpasses the BF's invulnerability stat. If the BF hides under its shield while charging its CPC... well, that's enough time for Wally to squeeze off four Power Beams, whilst simultaneously firing his eyebeams.

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    Oh, and this is the proper size comparison:


    Woo, it's... um, slightly taller than in the pic I provided? And spreading its arms to make itself look bigger than it actually is, with perspective further enhancing the illusion? Wally's mass is still several times greater, and so is his physical strength.
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    OK Steve, you want to compare him to his anime counterparts? Fine, I'll play your way.

    1. Those Buster Claws and their arrays are not as vulnerable as you seem to think. The Shadow Fox got lucky because the BF had the arrays fully open to attack. Considering the BF doesn't have them open unless 1) He's charging a weapon, 2) he's using a shield, or 3) he's swinging them like mad to try and carve up the opposition, they tend to remain at hsi sides. So no, they aren't vulnerable unless he's actively using them, and Wally's going to be hard pressed to destroy them and/or parry the various blows directed at his body.

    2. The tail blade may be strong, but he would have to be in range to use it first, something the BF isn't likely to let happen. Plus, the Buster Claws are said to be nigh unbreakable, and they can charge with energy as well, making them an excellent choice to use against the tail blade.

    3. The BF has superior speed and reaction times to Wally. The anime version on which this is based could deploy, retract, and make full use of those Buster Claws in a split second. This also comes in handy against Hikaru, as it would nothing for him to simply swing a shield or Buster Claw around to stop Hikaru if he tried to close on the BF then shift direction to hit him from behind.

    4. Wally is a f*cking huge target. The likelyhood of the BF missing with any of its particle weaponry, which is something that Wally cannot absorb, is nil. And te BF's height puts him at the perfect range to blow Wally's kneecaps off with a few well directed LPC rounds. Wally is slow, but he still needs those legs to work if he wants to chase after something. Losing his kneecaps would be a severe disadvantage.

    5. Lightning may be akin to a particle weapon, but it's not the same as what the BF wields. Lightning burns on contact and electrocutes, but has almost no kind of penetrating power. The CPCs and their ilk use charged paeticles to essentially shred a foe at a subatomic level, resulting in the kind of penetrative power they wield. Wally can't just absorb/deflect that.

    Now, for Strangelove...

    1. I've already covered why Hikaru fails agains the BF, so we won't go over that.

    2. Let's say Hikaru goes for Gigan. What's he gonna do? Gigan flys faster, can easily teleport away to avvoid damage, and wields weaponry fearsome enough to crumple Hikaru like a tincan. If Gigan morphed his hands into maces, a tactic he favors, or saw whips, another one he favors, Hikaru's either going to crumple like the hood of a Smart car against a concrete barrier, or be so thouroghly shredded that Gigan's going to be singing the lumberjack song as he moves in on Wally.

    The point is that both Gigan and the BF are ideally suited for this kind of combat. Gigan has a speed advantage, and what the BF lacks in speed, he more than makes up for with hsi reaction times. Hikaru may get one or two hits in, but they won't be enough to put down the opposition, or even critically injure the opposition. After that, Gigan takes potshots at Wally while the BF either makes liberal use of his LPCs or takes the time to blast him with the TCPC and completely obliterate him.
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    1. Those Buster Claws and their arrays are not as vulnerable as you seem to think. The Shadow Fox got lucky because the BF had the arrays fully open to attack. Considering the BF doesn't have them open unless 1) He's charging a weapon, 2) he's using a shield, or 3) he's swinging them like mad to try and carve up the opposition, they tend to remain at hsi sides. So no, they aren't vulnerable unless he's actively using them, and Wally's going to be hard pressed to destroy them and/or parry the various blows directed at his body.


    Wally is taller than the Berserk Fury. He could easily direct a blow at its back and sever the buster claw arms at the shoulder joints with his tailblade or eyebeams. The buster claws are most certainly vulnerable to attack folded against the BF's body.

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    2. The tail blade may be strong, but he would have to be in range to use it first, something the BF isn't likely to let happen. Plus, the Buster Claws are said to be nigh unbreakable, and they can charge with energy as well, making them an excellent choice to use against the tail blade.


    Reeeeeheheheeally. I don't see anything about the Buster Claws being neigh unbreakable in the FFKT BF's bio, and the canon sources definately contradict that statement. Also, the anime BF's blades charge with energy as well but that didn't keep the Liger Zero's SLC from shredding it. The energy charges essentially cancel eachother out, what matters here is weight, density and velocity.

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    3. The BF has superior speed and reaction times to Wally. The anime version on which this is based could deploy, retract, and make full use of those Buster Claws in a split second.


    And Wally can whip his tail around in a split second, fast enough to nail Megaguirus, who is generally regarded as the Queen Of Speed. Can this Berserk Fury swing its arms around fast enough to catch Megagiurus? I see nothing in its bio that suggest it can and the anime one struggled to keep up with the Liger Zero.

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    4. Wally is a f*cking huge target. The likelyhood of the BF missing with any of its particle weaponry, which is something that Wally cannot absorb, is nil. And te BF's height puts him at the perfect range to blow Wally's kneecaps off with a few well directed LPC rounds. Wally is slow, but he still needs those legs to work if he wants to chase after something. Losing his kneecaps would be a severe disadvantage.


    You're forgetting Wally's thunderball. He doesn't need to use his legs to move from point A to point B. And that's assuming the LPCs will inflict anything beyond pinpricks, which they won't.

    Speaking of which, if the BF stops to charge its CPC and Wally decides to use his thunderball... it's roadkill, even if it raises its shield. Being supposedly ubreachable won't keep the BF from being sent flying.

    Also take into account that Wally's armour is not just armour, it projects a forcefield.

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    5. Lightning may be akin to a particle weapon, but it's not the same as what the BF wields. Lightning burns on contact and electrocutes, but has almost no kind of penetrating power. The CPCs and their ilk use charged paeticles to essentially shred a foe at a subatomic level, resulting in the kind of penetrative power they wield. Wally can't just absorb/deflect that.


    There are two types of particle beams: charged and neutral. A charged-particle beam (CPB) is made up of particles such as electrons or protons which possess an electrical charge. A lightning bolt IS, for all intents and purposes, a particle beam.

    We established way back in round 1 that Wally can reflect lightning bolts. Lightning bolt = particle beam. Fiction + Real World Science = RWS Pwnt.

    Also: Wally knows what Zoids are. His friend Dennis has Zoid models in his toy collection: http://koobine.deviantart.com/art/Dennis-Toys-47689290 He knows what the Berserk Fury is more-or-less capable of, granting him another advantage over it.
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    Sep 1 2007, 01:05 AM
    Beyond those additions you mentioned I haven't been given reason to assume that they're vastly different from eachother; the differences are minor and mostly expansions of its existing capabilities. A BF is a BF is a BF. The same weaknesses still apply. The FFKT Berserk Fury's bio was incredibly vague, so I'm using the other versions of the BF to fill in the gaps.

    Hate to break it to ya, but if my BF's bio is "incredibly vague", then Wally's bio is practically nonexistant. I go into a good deal of detail with everything in it.

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    Neither is lightning. Lightning bolt = essentially a particle beam. If Wally can reflect a lightning bolt (and he can, this was established way back in round one) then he can reflect a particle beam.

    The difference being lightning is an electrical discharge. BF's particle beams aren't. They're streams of particles moving at nearly light speed. The only energy they carry is kinetic.

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    I didn't say anything about their power stats, my point was that there's nothing stopping Wally from just ripping through the buster claws. His tail is faster and his blade sturdier than the blades on the buster claws.

    Faster and sturdier? You're getting this where exactly? He caught Megaguirus with it, you say? Big deal. BF decapitated Zilla with a single swing and returned the Claw to its resting position before Zilla's head even separated from his body. He also swatted away Gigan's Razor Discs. And again, this isn't the anime or Battle Story BF. The only thing that's ever damaged my BF's Buster Claws is my Gojulas Giga's jaws, which are capable of crushing anything he gets them around.

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    Nuclear explosion = quick, sudden, massive surge of energy. World of difference between multiple, consecutive massive surges of energy. Its shield isn't indestructable; it can't be. No power rating was given for the BF's shield... funny, that. Regardless, the BF's invulnerability rating is a 9. I'm assuming that this takes the shield into account.

    His Invulnerability is a 9 because the shield has to be activated in order for it to be of any help to him. It's not a constant defense like Wally's reflective armor.

    It clearly states in the bio that the Frontal Shield is essentially unbreakable. No request was made to tone it down, so it remains essentially unbreakable.

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    Wally's Power Beam surpasses the BF's invulnerability stat. If the BF hides under its shield while charging its CPC... well, that's enough time for Wally to squeeze off four Power Beams, whilst simultaneously firing his eyebeams.

    ...Which still won't break the shield.

    But regardless, BF is fast and agile enough to literally run circles around Wally, all the while hammering away at him with LPCs. And Wally will be hard pressed to even land a hit on BF, given that he can both shield himself and simply go behind the lummox. It'd be extremely amusing to see Wally constantly trying to turn around to face BF, while BF simply continues to hover directly behind him and wear him down with his LPCs.

    And honestly, look at their stats. There isn't a single area where Wally utterly outclasses BF. They're equal in Melee Ability, overall defense (with BF being half a point higher in Durability but half a point lower in Invulnerability), and Healing Ability. Wally has a slight edge in Strength. BF has a slight edge in Ranged Ability. BF also has significantly higher Endurance. And BF utterly blows Wally away in Speed, Reflexes, Intelligence, and Acrobatics.

    And Shane, BF won't even attempt using the SCPC while Hikaru is still living, so your point is moot.

    And I again point out that either BF or Gigan is more than capable of keeping Wally occupied for the minute or two it takes the other to kill Hikaru. Then its time to double-team Wally, and at that point he's COMPLETELY screwed.
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    Oh, and this is the proper size comparison:



    Yeah... Wally is still gonna be in for hell if BF decides to get in his face.


    Not really. Wally is over twice BF's height, yet BF is over hald Wally's height in your pic.
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    The difference being lightning is an electrical discharge. BF's particle beams aren't.


    If the BF's particle beams carries no electrical discharge, then they're neutral particle beams and would therefore rapidly dissipate in the earth's atmosphere. :P

    There are two types of particle beams: charged and neutral. A charged-particle beam is made up of particles such as electrons or protons which possess an electrical charge. A lightning bolt is a naturally occuring charged particle beam.
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