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| How Should Future Godzilla Movies Be Approached? | |
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| Kuroneko-sama | Mar 12 2008, 10:51 PM Post #1 |
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There have been many technological advancements in the movie-making industry. One such advancement is the CGI we have seen in several movies thus far. My question is this: Should Toho continue to use the suitmation approach as they have done in the past, or should Godzilla reemerge in CGI for everything? Also, what type of approach could they use to promote the Godzilla franchise? What are your suggestions? I'll post my thoughts at a later point. In the meantime, enjoy!
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| EternalMothra | Mar 12 2008, 11:16 PM Post #2 |
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Well for future g-movies, I think it is going to modernize a lot into CGI, they might use some props but eventually once things starting getting very old they will upgrade completely. |
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| Cookson | Mar 13 2008, 12:28 AM Post #3 |
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CGI cost much more then the traditional use. The budget would be much higher just using the CGI and we all know there's not that many theaters in Japan(around 300) so it's already frustrating to make profit on movies there. Godzilla movies have always made profit(aside from GFW..kind of sad) for TOHO....so is there really necessary for CGI? I say yes IF TOHO is willing to take chance. Build interest for the franchise again, which is what's currently happening....then showcase a CGI Godzilla film using some props here and there to stay true to the original style. If they do, hopefully it make profit for TOHO because if it doesn't...that would really suck. I see a TOHO CGI Godzilla film with a budget of about 20m. GFW cost 20m to make just because of all the marketing and because of multiple monsters.....hopefully it'll make somewhere like 30m for TOHO...the last G-Film to do that was GMK. |
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| Django | Mar 13 2008, 05:38 AM Post #4 |
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I am getting into filmmaking, and CGI is NOT the coolest thing in the industry, why use CGI when there's so many other techniques to making a good film? Special effects do not make the movie either. Maybe if they worked on some really well thought out story and plot, people could see Godzilla in a new light. I think some people should start working out a plan and some screenplays, so that when the time comes, the film will be more prepared and maybe they could even put more time into making the movie, like maybe them a year to film and edit. So I would personally say no to using CGI over suitmation. |
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| Zardac the Great | Mar 13 2008, 02:40 PM Post #5 |
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A suit is okay if it can be made realistic. I love Kiryu-Goji, but he looked like a rubber suit. GMK Godzilla was very obviously a suit from certain angles. What it boils down to is that I want a dinosaurian Godzilla, and you can't get that with a human in a suit. |
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| Django | Mar 14 2008, 01:17 AM Post #6 |
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For me personally, I get so into the character that I forget it's a person in a suit at all. For the most part I am convinced that it's actually a giant monster fighting another monster or tearing a building down. |
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| Spüne | Mar 16 2008, 07:07 PM Post #7 |
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It's all in the way they film it. I used to be totally against CGI, and I still am to a degree. I'm against using CGI for things that could be done manually or that exists in the real world. So when it comes to giant monsters, I'm fine with either. Movies like King Kong and Cloverfield have impressed me. Sure, they're not 100% realistic, and they never will be because of the way our brain works (we know they aren't are) but they still managed to capture some essence of the character of the monster which has very rarely been done in the Godzilla films. The suitmation used in the Heisei area is better than that in the later ones. The later ones still feel like Power Ranger movies. I don't think Toho could do CGI, but I wouldn't be apposed to another attempt at an American Godzilla movie. But yeah, it depends how you film it. Obviously a suit still has that "It is really there" feel. I think a subtle mix of both is the right way to go. Perhaps they could use a suit to motion capture the character, use the suit for most shots but have CGI for some action sequences - I personally think the suits get boring in battle scenes... just slowly slapping each other. |
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| Godzilla2004 | Jul 8 2009, 01:56 AM Post #8 |
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The suit is a tradition, part of what makes the series special. Abandoning it entirely just wouldn't feel right. That said, they should certainly use CGI for the more dangerous scenes, like swimming or scenes where the actor risks getting burned. |
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| Gojira84 | Jul 8 2009, 10:47 AM Post #9 |
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I think it should be maid not like fw |
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| Guardian7 | Jul 8 2009, 01:03 PM Post #10 |
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Well. I believe EM and me have discussed the Suitmation and CGI thing at length in the past. Would be nice if they could do a blend of them. Using suitmation and greenscreens that allow them to apply possibly a better skin texture and facial expressions. There is one thing I don't think anyone has hit on in this post... and that is... The stories. A solid story. With a good cast is ABSOLUTELY necessary for any new Godzilla film to make a true impact. On these boards so much time and energy is spent on the "Kaiju" that the human elements seem to get lost. The human elements are what grounds the whole G-Universes into a semblance of reality. A cast of great characters placed in the midst or pathway of a Kaiju (Force of nature - think Hurricane, Tornado, Earthquake, Tsunami, Volcano, Landslide, Flood) and having them react respectfully to this would be awesome. Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster (of the SHOWAera) had an amazing bunch of characters in it. There was a lot going on (yes a few things that might have been better explained), lots of different things for the human characters to do besides run from the City Stomp/Kaiju Attacks. In my opinion this film is on equal level with G54, GRA, Rodan (and I believe Mothra, Frankenstein vs Baragon and War of the Gargantuas). I believe if they did enhance their human elements better. Compounded with whatever amazing Kaiju they decided to use. They could wow people. You may like... hate Tri-star Pictures "GODZILLA"... and I am probably one that disliked them making Godzilla into a huge Iguannazilla. But erase that... and place some fashion of the human elements or characters in an ACTUAL G-Film... and you would have a damn fine movie. Solid characterization makes a film. A great template for a formula for a Godzilla film might be better based on "The Day after Tomorrow". An unstoppable force of Nature... humans caught in the path... It has all the destructive elements of a Godzilla film. But with great human characters in it. Think about it... G7 |
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| Godzilla2004 | Jul 8 2009, 07:19 PM Post #11 |
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Excellent point. That's one thing about Kaneko's films that make them so good, the focus on the human side of the story. Another thing that should be considered is the tone of the story. IMO, darker movies do better than campy ones. Additionally, fresh material needs to be used, instead of going with the same formulas as we've seen too often in the past. |
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| Guardian7 | Jul 8 2009, 08:44 PM Post #12 |
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Which is exactly why I suggested the "Day after tomorrow..." Granted... not on that wide of scale... Just because I guess GFW was basically a KAIJU WORLD DISASTER with an emmensely crappy story for the most part... also introducing monsters that had never appeared (and were not at all explained for someone new to the fold - which is a great way to garner new fans... smart idea Toho *insert sarcasm barbs where necessary*) since the 70s and only fans would absolutely know who they were and where the majority of them came from. I think there almost needs to be a trilogy kind of aspect to this. HUMANS: It is about time humans started to really effectively fight them (Dai-Kaiju) off... ward them at the very least... and FIND OUT WHY THEY HAVE SUCH AN UNRELENTING INTEREST IN ONE SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE GLOBE. HEROES/OTHER HUMAN ELEMENTS: Definitely a set (s) of protaganistic characters need to be developed throughout the films, Progressively growing throughout the series . WITH A STRONG FEMALE CHARA IN IT!! and I don't mean one degenerated to a supporting/sideline character status or just a plain screamer (no more psychics either... let that be the Shobijin's job - you want something that would be kind of a new element... bring in a ZoneFighter/JetJaguar type chara - actually fighting on the side of the humans - a unpredictable Jet Jaguar would be fun). SUPPORTING CHARA: Certainly you should establish heads of departments (and what tech they are using... and that can advance as the Trilogy goes on). DEFENSE: In the beginning make something like the old school JDF... by the end of said Trilogy it would be the UDF (with other nations helping - since a plot angle could be one of the big gun countries getting hit by a Kaiju). RAMIFACATIONS: There should be mention and showing of the human loss, including construction and repair to damaged cities from the movie before it. MOOD: I don't know about making the movie darker... but certainly putting out a feeling of impending dread would work. I think a decent person with a witty mouth could easily fill the comic relief void (and still come off as serious). SUPPORTING CHARA: Certainly you should establish heads of departments (and what tech they are using... and that can advance as the Trilogy goes on) and political figures. finally the... KAIJU: Godzilla is of course a must. Intro him and definitely hint around to Mothra (or the JetJaguar thing... or both). I think Introducing either Anguirus or Rodan as a foe would be excellent (particularly Anguirus) but not necessary in the first movie. From there they can start to rebuild the Godzilla mythos (just so long as they don't OBVIOUSLY kill a Kaiju only to bring them back - such is the case in the SHOWAera with Anguirus or Baragon). If you intro a Kaiju you actually want to maintain as a villain insidieously evil Kaiju... then use them only once (Ghidorah - MechaGodzilla - Gigan - Hedorah - Megalon - Gabara - Biollante - Destroyah - whomever). But if they are going to rehash and retread these creatures again. Then make it memorable. Not what we can get from a slew of previously made films (and don't complicate matters with B.S. time-travel *ugh* isn't there enough psuedo-science going on without that garbage?). GUARDIAN KAIJU: clamp down on that Crap... there is one Guardian. MOTHRA!: will do just fine. I do not think that Mothra should be constantly used as "The answer to our prayers!" I think it would be cool if Mothra told the Shobijin "no" when humans request help (especially if Godzilla's creation is their own damn fault - it isn't like Mothra is going to let anything happen to Infant Island - Pharoah Island... is that the real "fictional" name of Infant Island? ). They would abide by her response. After all... they do worship her. Oh... one note. NO more exploiting Mothra's egg... God that has be rehashed so many times I almost forget which film I am watching. Want something original? Have a bunch of humans try to steal it or find it floating after a storm... and have Mothra come in and kick some butt and take it back to her Island. If she can help Carry Godzilla... she can certainly transport her own damn egg. ALIENS: If they are gonna have aliens... at least explain why they are able to be thwarted by humans - tech that is not really theirs - weak in numbers - underestimating humans - possibly even unknown assistance by a hidden nation (it shouldn't just be because of the Kaiju). I am sure I missed something here. Far as what a film needs. I am sure one of you will point it out. G7 |
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