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| 3. El Arana (Gigan7) vs. Riott (LordNidHogg) | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 13 2011, 12:09 AM (317 Views) | |
| EternalMothra | Nov 13 2011, 12:09 AM Post #1 |
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Battle 3: El Arana (Gigan7) vs. Riott (LordNidHogg) Arena: Mt. Kilauea, Hawaii (Night) |
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| Kiryu | Nov 13 2011, 02:40 PM Post #2 |
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This one is a tad interesting, but I could see Arana's cunning really working in her favor. Riott seems only able to absorb energy attacks, and since Arana specializes in poison, I can see her stealthing around and getting some needle spear hits in. Even with the liquid crystal armor, I could see at least some of the poison entering his body. |
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| LordNidhogg | Nov 13 2011, 10:56 PM Post #3 |
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I really can't see Arana winning this to be honest. Yes, she's really smart and her stealth is quite handy...but in the end she really doesn't have anything to take him out. The needle spears are basically useless, since the description of them specifically says they can't get through any kind or armor, and Riott's is quite good. She can shoot him with her beam, but since he isn't evil (he's somewhere between neutral and good) it won't hurt him too badly, and he can absorb it if he needs to. That really just leaves her venom. The problem with that is she has to get close to him in order to use it. Since she can't paralyze Riott, and her webbing will just be burned off of him, that puts her at great risk. Spiders are mostly limbs, which Riott is adept at removing. She'd more than likely be able to get close, probably more than once, but each time she's going to get away (assuming she does) being less the kaiju that she used to be. Riott is not evil, but he is definitely pragmatic. He doesn't care about a "fair" fight or what alignment his enemy is: if they're there, he's going to beat them as fast as possible while minimizing risk. So if and when Arana gets close, Riott is going to make sure that it either ends there, or that she has reason to stay away from him. Which goes back to her camouflage: she can hide, but while she's hiding she can't do anything. Riott will be flying around looking for her, so when she does decide to something he'll see her and home in. That means that she's running away, and though she's fast I doubt she can outrun Riott. In a stand-up fight, she'll lose every time, and there's little she can do at range. |
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| Kiryu | Nov 14 2011, 09:01 PM Post #4 |
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Maybe I don't understand liquid crystal that well then. I skimmed the Wikipedia article, 'cause I don't trust Wikipedia that much, especially in areas of science, but I always imagined it to be not truly solid, but not truly liquid either. By that understanding, a few needles might be able to get in, but yes, Arana most likely will get unlucky, caught, and ripped apart before her poison can do anything to Riott. |
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| LordNidhogg | Nov 14 2011, 10:17 PM Post #5 |
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Well, Riott's liquid crystal armor is not anything like the actual, real-life thing. I called it that because it's normally a very viscous liquid underneath a very tough but flexible skin. However, when he energizes it it hardens, much like his tendrils. I guess Arana could get lucky enough that one of her spears would hit in-between the segments of his armor, but even with a "sniper's eye" that would be really tough to do. Even if she did paralyze him, he'd only stay as such for about one minute, which isn't even enough time to finish pumping her venom. So he'd just kill her right there. Or, since he can regenerate, he could keep the poison at bay by absorbing the fire being generated by the volcano. And that brings up another thing: how is Arana going to deal with the lava? Riott can just fly, and though he's not brilliant, he could probably think to smash into something that's already leaking lava to release more. He could pretty much cut Arana's standing space to nothing, or at least get her to move and rendering her camouflage unhelpful. And the lava probably wouldn't do much to him. Consider that his jets burn hotter than (or at least as hot as) lava and they don't burn him, so Arana would be in a lot more trouble than he would. And as I said in my previous post, Riott isn't evil, but he's pragmatic; he'll end the fight however he can. |
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| Gigan7 | Nov 14 2011, 10:22 PM Post #6 |
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In the spirit of fairness I agree that Arana's chances for survivel in this match are slim to none. but hey, I'll debate for her anyway and see what happens.
maybe so but She can regrow any of her legs very quickly.
Probably but it can by her a precious few seconds or minutes that she needs to get away or try and get in for the kill. webbing in his face could slow down his movements and with enough webbing she may be gunk up his jets or tie him down just long enough to find some advantage in the fight. |
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| redgriffin22 | Nov 14 2011, 10:32 PM Post #7 |
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I'm going with El Arana, she has the intelligence to figure out a way to get pass Riotts liquid armor or his other defense and then take the offense to finish him. |
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| Queen Bee | Nov 14 2011, 11:52 PM Post #8 |
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I too think El Arana's intelligence will give her a bit of a better chance then none for sure. Yes Riott will be a very tough opponent but sometimes even David can beat Goliath if he (or she) uses his head. |
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| LordNidhogg | Nov 15 2011, 04:11 AM Post #9 |
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This isn't so much David vs Goliath...it's more like a doctor with a syringe of poison vs a soldier in an iron man suit. Intelligence is awesome and it can turn the tide of many battles, I will not disagree with that. But the fact of the matter is that intelligence can only do so much against an overwhelming force for which it is ill-equipped. Arana is very smart and can keep Riott on his toes, definitely. But the environment is not in her favor, her paralyzing weapon isn't nearly as useful as it would be for a different opponent, and her biggest weakness is that she's frail...which is a fatal flaw against Riott. Since he's a good aligned creature, for the most part, even if she did paralyze him or gunk up his jets or something, I just can't see her actually finishing the job. The pumping time for her poison is longer than she could keep Riott paralyzed or webbed down. That means that she's basically putting herself in striking range of blades that can cut through or burn through just about anything being wielded by a kaiju whose strength is essentially impossible to match. That doesn't look good to me. Arana can regenerate her limbs quickly, true, but it would slow her down. And just as her webbing would buy her a few precious seconds, or maybe more if she could get enough of it out quickly enough, so would losing some of her limbs give Riott enough time to act. Another thing: even if she paralyzed Riott, he could still fire off his jets: they're not powered by muscles moving, just him redirecting energy. So she'd have a hard time even getting close, what with his torso and limbs being a raging inferno. So here's my argument in a nutshell if you don't want to read the rest: Arana has the intelligence to win, but not the tools to accomplish it. Riott is basically surrounded by things that he can absorb to regenerate, he's faster, much stronger, and Arana is frail. She just lacks the weapons to gain a real advantage over Riott. I'm not saying she couldn't win, I'm just saying that it's not terribly likely. |
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| KaijuCanuck | Nov 19 2011, 02:24 PM Post #10 |
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Yeah I would agree with that, and I too would go for Riott. In answer to Red Griffen, intelligence is helpful but it can't do you any good if there actually isn't a way. If Albert Einstein was trapped in a corner by a guy with a chainsaw, sure he's the smartest guy alive (then), but that doesn't help him when there literally aren't many options. |
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| Kiryu | Nov 19 2011, 06:44 PM Post #11 |
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Since my opinion never swayed, Riott gets my vote. |
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| Queen Bee | Nov 20 2011, 04:25 AM Post #12 |
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I do see Riott as the winner in the bulk of scenarios. Arana would definitely be a longshot, to this I have to agree. |
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| LordNidhogg | Nov 20 2011, 04:28 AM Post #13 |
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It's too bad, since I really like Arana and it would be great to see her win a tourney, but I just don't see her winning. She's frail against a super-melee beast, and the environment itself is going to present some significant trouble for her. So, yeah, I'm voting Riott. |
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| redgriffin22 | Nov 20 2011, 04:31 PM Post #14 |
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El Arana gets my vote. I have a strong belief that her speed and intelligence will be Riotts downfall. |
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| LordNidhogg | Nov 20 2011, 04:44 PM Post #15 |
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Umm..Ok, let's ignore for a moment that you really don't have any supporting arguments for Arana winning and just look at what you did say. First, speed:El Arana is fast, yes. But she can't fly, and she's running. Riott can fly at mach 7. Kaiju can't run that fast. At that speed they'd be lifted off the ground and flying anyways. So, no, Riott is faster than Arana. Second, intelligence: Yes, Arana is smarter than Riott. I would say that you're smarter than a great white shark. I'd also say that in a fight, the shark would literally eat you alive. Arana simply doesn't have the tools to win. All the brains in the world can't help you if you have no way of applying them towards victory. It's like giving a Einstein a pocket knife and telling him to go kill a fighter jet. Einstein is smarter than the pilot, for sure, but he can't win because he doesn't have the tools. Arana's intelligence will keep her alive longer than she would otherwise, but as soon as she gets close, Riott is going to kill her. And that's pretty much it. Edited by LordNidhogg, Nov 20 2011, 04:45 PM.
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| Gigan7 | Nov 22 2011, 04:23 PM Post #16 |
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I probably vote for riott. I have a strong desire to support my creation win or lose but I do wish to extend LN the curtsy of voting honestly because just as LN pointed out in another fight himself this is a scenario that I simply see Riott winning more often then El Arana. Sure if I'm writing a story I can pretty much make up whatever Scenario I feel like so Arana can beat things that normally she couldn't but in a tournament like this I accept the relastic fact that there will be monsters she cant beat simple as that. I intended the Intelligence to be a huge asset but I will never argue it as a magic wand effect that can overcome any scenario no matter how much evidence points the other way. I try to be as objective as possible considering it's my creation that's fighting and in this case I cant see El Arana wining this fight more often the Riott would win it. sure she could put up a fight but the end result is that Riott's power and natural makeup make him a difficult guy to beat. |
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| Metatora | Nov 22 2011, 06:56 PM Post #17 |
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Sorry I'm late to the party, but hey, better late then never right? Anyway, I have to side with Riott, yes, El Arana is smarter, but like LordNidHogg said, she really has no way of putting Riott down, yet all of Riott's attacks are going to put her in considerable danger. |
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