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    Who'll win?
    Wulfbane (LordNidhogg) 0 (0%)
    Druk Yul (Gigan7) 6 (100%)
    Abstain 0 (0%)
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    6. Wulfbane (LordNidHogg) vs. Druk Yul (Gigan7)
    Topic Started: Nov 13 2011, 12:16 AM (418 Views)
    EternalMothra
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    Battle 6:

    Wulfbane (LordNidHogg)

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    Druk Yul (Gigan7)

    Arena: Athabasca Glacier, Canada (Day)

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    I'm leaning towards Druk Yul on this one. Since Wulfbane is primarily melee, I can't really see him being able to get through Druk Yul's thick hide, even with the Spinal Tap ability. I think the only thing he could do would be to constantly use feedback, resulting in not much damage, since Druk Yul is nearly immune to electricity and almost solely uses just that to attack.
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    I agree. Wulfbane would have a hard time getting through that tough hide even to inject his crazy venom, and meanwhile while he's trying Druk Yul would be blasting him with electricity.
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    I must admit I can't see Druk Yul loosing in this battle against Wulfbane. Unless anyone has any insights that I didn't see in Wulfbane's attacks I think I'm pretty set in this one.
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    LordNidhogg
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    I'll be honest...I don't think Wulfbane can win. He's strong, but Druk Yul has really impressive defense. His venom would work...but I can see a mad-berserker Druk Yul just creating a lot of electrical energy that would keep Wulfbane from getting in to finish the job. Wulfbane's feedback will do something...but since he'd just be re-directing more electricity at Druk Yul I don't see that helping him win either. So, the odds are against Wulfbane at this point. I'll look at both kaiju more closely to see if I can come up with a good argument for him, but I just can't see him winning right now.
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    Wulf-bane's stinger's are pretty nerfed in this fight as they would have a hard time piercing the skin. and even if by some miracle the venom get into Yul's system it would take forever or an incredible amount it take affect due to his sheer mass. I'm in agreement with many of the previous statements and feel like Druk-Yul can pull a victory here. but i'm open for debate.
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    Well I love a good debate, but don't think I have anything here to debate about...Druk- Yul is definitely a favorite in this battle.
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    Yeah...this is probably the most one-sided battle in the round. It's funny, because both of my kaiju are fighting Gigan7's kaiju, and both battles are pretty one-sided. I really don't think Arana can beat Riott, and I really don't think that WUlfbane can beat Druk Yul. Sad, but true. I do wonder how Riott would do against Druk Yul, though...that would be an interesting battle.

    EDIT: I did think of something that Wulfbane does have to his advantage: the environment. They're fighting on a giant ice block, one which is known to have large crevices, caves/hollow spots, and other structural weaknesses. Druk Yul is so heavy that each step he takes is a risk that the glacier will collapse around him and bury him. Electricity is not ideal for melting ice. Oh, yes, it has heat...but it's not like a fire. So if Wulfbane can survive long enough for the environment to really hurt/hinder Druk Yul, he might just be able to win.

    I admit it's pretty slim, but it is there. Wulfbane is smart enough to use the glacier to his advantage...especially if Druk Yul basically sets himself up. Here's another interesting though: Wulfbane might not be able to posion Druk Yul effectively, but he could strangle him with tendril. As far as I'm aware, Druk Yul does still need to breathe. So, Wulfbane is definitely the underdog, but he could win if he got lucky.
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    Yikes. (wish more people were POSTING IN FFKT!)

    It seems like Druk Yul has definitely a superior offensive ability than Wulfbane. I don't think Wulfbane will be getting very close to him. Right now I am leaning toward Druk Yul.

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    Druk Yul is so heavy that each step he takes is a risk that the glacier will collapse around him and bury him

    possible, But first off Wulfbane would have to keep him on the glacier long enough for something like that to happen. Druk-Yul understands the limitations of his weight and even if the glacier is solid enough to hold both him and Wulfbane over the course of the fight Druk-Yul will probably eventually force Wulfbane over to some more solid ground and since Druk-Yul.

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    but he could strangle him with tendril.

    which would put him in prime range for the electric ball which at that range probably would overpower the feedback maneuver. besides Druk-Yul could also simply drag wulfbane off of his feet and toss him around a bit till he lets go.
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    Know what's funny? I disagree with you on almost every point, and I still think that your guy would win.

    But to facilitate debate, why not?
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    But first off Wulfbane would have to keep him on the glacier long enough for something like that to happen. Druk-Yul understands the limitations of his weight and even if the glacier is solid enough to hold both him and Wulfbane over the course of the fight Druk-Yul will probably eventually force Wulfbane over to some more solid ground and since Druk-Yul.

    Two major problems: one would be getting off the glacier. Simply starting on the glacier pretty much guarantees that Druk Yul will collapse it. The guy weighs almost twice as much as Biollante...how is he going to get off of the glacier to more stable ground? In fact, the opening to the fight might look more like a Loony Toons short than a kaiju battle: Druk Yul instantly falling through the ice. That said, the ice is more solid than hollow and it's over land, not water. So even with the practical guarantee that Druk Yul will smash through it, he probably won't be buried neck deep (though since it has a significant slope he could cause an avalanche, but it's probably mostly moot). And since it wouldn't bury him for an instant TKO, and he has good ranged weapons, he'd still probably win.

    The second problem is herding Wulfbane off the ice. Er...how? Wulfbane can run and jump like no other kaiju in the tourney, topping out at a mach 1 running speed. Even with lightning, Druk Yul would really have a problem getting Wulfbane off the ice where he knows he has some advantage. Not a huge deal in the end, but it is a small point.

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    which would put him in prime range for the electric ball which at that range probably would overpower the feedback maneuver. besides Druk-Yul could also simply drag wulfbane off of his feet and toss him around a bit till he lets go.

    Less about this one, but still a couple of things. First, yes, he would be in range for the electric ball and it would overpower his feedback. But as I said before, Wulfbane is fast and Druk Yul has a tell that lets Wulfbane know crap is about to go down with the electric ball. So hitting him would still not be a guarantee.

    Second, I doubt Druk Yul is going to drag Wulfbane off of his feet. Druk Yul is strong...but for his size, he's really not particularly impressive (compare to kaiju like Rygama who are smaller and yet stronger). Wulfbane probably matches him in pure brawn, or is close enough that the point is moot. Now, his mass is a lot lower so in a tug of war DY would win. But pulling Wulfbane to his feet in one swift motion? I don't really think so. Moving him, definitely. Just not quickly.

    Third, going back to strangulation. This would actually be Wulfbane's best bet aside from the possibility of another method I'll get to in a second. Why? Well, it basically negates DY's defense. His hide can be super thick and his bones unbreakable...but he still needs to breath. So if Wulfbane could survive to the point of choking DY unconscious, he'd win. That's a big if though. But it does lead me to my next point.

    Kind of a hail mary, I know, but Wulfbane could break DY's neck. Not the bone, probably, but snap his spinal cord. I see this happening if Wulfbane, while running at high speed, lassos DY's neck and uses his momentum to snap it. He'd basically turn DY's mass into a weapon against him. When a person is hanged on a noose, it's because gravity pulls their body away from the gallows that is too heavy and sturdy to be moved. The weak point is the person's neck, which breaks.

    In principle it would work the same. Druk Yul's massive body actually becomes the gallows, Wulfbane's momentum is the gravity, and the weak point is Druk Yul's neck. I know this has some flaws: Druk Yul would just as likely faceplant as have a broken neck, and Wulfbane might not be heavy enough (though at mach 1 his mass should be sufficient to make DY's neck the weak point) to pull it off, etc. But hey, I said I still see DY winning most of the time, I'm just coming up with off-the-wall ideas.
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    I don't like the noose-type idea. All I see is it ending badly, with Wulfbane getting caught by his tendril and possibly ripping his own arm off (or at least dislocating or breaking it). Unless of course, he's quick enough to realize when to let go.

    Then the standard strangulation just strikes me as willingly standing in front of a firing squad. Sure you have a knife, but they have guns.
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    still not really seeing the strangulation thing happening. Wulfbane is far more likely to have his tendril ripped from his body then actually pulling of the stunt you have described. besides Druk-yul could simply send massive amounts of electricity through the tendril overpowering the feedback ability.

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    The second problem is herding Wulfbane off the ice. Er...how? Wulfbane can run and jump like no other kaiju in the tourney, topping out at a mach 1 running speed.


    from a few pictures i"ve seen of the area it seemed like there was some more solid mass close to the glacier. My reasoning was more that if druk-yul decides to go find something a little more solid for a battle ground there's nothing wulf-bane can do to stop him from going where he wants.


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    one would be getting off the glacier


    that depends on how were assuming each monster got to it's respective battle field. are they magically dropped in facing each-other or did they arrive by their own method of travel which would mean the ice survived Druk-Yul coming in I don't see why it wouldn't support him going out. now if they are just "dropped" in then getting off might be a bit of a challenge but that said if it's thick enough ice can support all kinds of crazy weight. I simply don't know how strong this glacier is.

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    doubt Druk Yul is going to drag Wulfbane off of his feet. Druk Yul is strong...but for his size, he's really not particularly impressive (compare to kaiju like Rygama who are smaller and yet stronger).


    Maybe not in the block stats but in the character sheet, which is what I thought we were arguing from, I do describe a good deal of strength in him.
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    You did put things about his strength in the description...and that's what my comment was about. He smashes through buildings without losing much momentum and can knock kaiju around. Well...so can everybody else. I'm not saying he's weak, he isn't, but his strength is not exceptional for his size. At nearly 400,000 tons he'd better be able to knock things around. To me, a really strong kaiju is someone whose feats of strength are impressive despite their size. Rygama could basically juggle Biollante. Riott's strength is theoretically limitless. Titanosaurus was able to lift Godzilla and throw him around with his mouth. Those are impressive feats of strength. Druk Yul may be stronger than your sheet implies...but from what I read, he's pretty standard.

    However, yeah, though I doubt Wulfbane's tendril would be ripped off, or even conduct electricity that well, he's still going to lose. Druk Yul is simply very hard to kill, and since Wulfbane will have a problem getting close to him, he can't really kill him. Most melee creatures would be hard pressed to beat Druk Yul.
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    I'm voting Druk Yul. Sure with time, maybe Wulfbane can get through his armor like a dog scratching a wall, only in this case, the wall fights back. And the wall hits HARD.
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    Druk Yul may be stronger than your sheet implies...but from what I read, he's pretty standard.


    Reading over your post and seeing your line of logic I can understand why you come to your conclusions. See when I look at him I'm thinking that he has all that mass so of course he's going to be very strong not realizing that others may not see it that way. I'll just have to be more clear if I ever use him again. but also the examples you gave were oobscenely ridiculous feats of strength Druk-Yul would not have even have to be that strong to push around Wulf Bane , and that's not a slight against Wulf -bane by any means I consider him a very serious and deadly competitor but the description in his sat sheet would not imply that a kaiju would need such near god like strength to over power him physically . I'm not saying he's a push over but a monster would not need to Juggle Biollante to beat Wulf-bane. His stat bar is more impressive but If we are only going by sheets I'm not seeing Wulf-bane's strength description that much more impressive then Druk-Yul's. so if were saying that if the stats on the sheet make the monster stronger then we defer to the sheets then I'm more willing to consider the possibly of needing such strength to take down Wulf-Bane as the sat bars to indicate a rather strong beast.

    though even with that he's still missing two blocks and I'm still not sure how much strength a full bar would actually be.

    ( again I just want to be clear, since the internet is such a lovely place for misunderstanding, none of this is in any way any kind of snide remark. I really do respect you as an opponent and I appreciate the stat charts and all the other work that's gone into this tournament, there's just a few things I'm not clear on. :) )

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    meh, that's fine, I still don't agree, I still think Druk-Yul has enough weight and strength to preform such a feat and as a master of electricity could get the electricity to travel through, but I respect your opinion and since it seems that some of my stats are a little Vague in these areas I'm not going to fight to the death on them.


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    I voted Druk Yul; I still don't see Wulfbane taking this one.
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    Yeah...I don't see Wulfbane taking this one either. He'll make Druk Yul work for it, but barring a miracle I don't see him pulling it off.

    Also, one last thing G7:
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    See when I look at him I'm thinking that he has all that mass so of course he's going to be very strong not realizing that others may not see it that way.
    Well, that's more momentum. I agree, his mass would make him very difficult to stop when he's charging, and his mass does imply that he at least has enough strength to move (I would hope...). However, being hard to stop is not really a feat of strength, it's a combination of strength, mass, and speed. So I stand by what I said earlier: he's strong, but not really much above average for his size.
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