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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 17 2013, 04:56 PM (977 Views) | |
| Kiryu | Nov 17 2013, 04:56 PM Post #1 |
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Arena: Sao Paulo, Brazil Time: Night Weather: Hurricane Military Presence: None ![]() Team Profiles: Team 2 Team 4 |
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| EternalMothra | Nov 18 2013, 03:33 PM Post #2 |
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This is an epic battle going right here. My main question, directed toward King Kaiju, would rain affect Onikaima since water is his weakness? |
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| AdventDestiny-Iota | Nov 18 2013, 04:27 PM Post #3 |
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Probably not too much, considering the amount of mass Onikaima has, though we are talking about a hurricane; I suppose that if this is all happening near the ocean, the hurricane could suck up quite a bit of water, and if for some reason Onikaima couldn't get out of the way, then he'd be in trouble! Same goes for Kakama; if that thing manages to hit her, the water could drench her wings, grounding her. She's fast enough to get out of the way [assuming the galing winds don't knock her out of the sky first!], though it is night time, and she apparently doesn't see as well in the dark... I've heard stories of hurricanes that would close the distance between itself and any nearby observers incredibly fast, so I don't think any of the kaiju in this fight should let their guard down whenever the hurricane is nearby. In fact, in a way, the hurricane should be viewed as a fifth, rogue combatant, as it at the very least poses a signifcant threat to two of this arena's combatants! |
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| Chaos Githzerai | Nov 18 2013, 06:09 PM Post #4 |
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I won't lie, I laughed hard when I saw that Kakama's paired up with Zembare. I remember looking back at past FFKTs and saw another team tournament where the guy was paired up with Mayonaka. Seems poor Zembare can't catch a break what with constantly being teamed up with good aligned kaiju. XD Onto the actual debate itself! Yeah, Kakama is not a happy little eagle right now. Nighttime and water flying all over the place is going to make her a bit jumpy since she'll be on the lookout for the hurricane as well as battling. She's going to be playing by ear, pretty much. Even though it isn't as good as her eyesight, her hearing is still pretty sharp. Although! This battle is taking place within a metropolis, which means there are tons of lights on, which will make the area brighter. This may be of some help to her. Transforming into her Primal Form would help against the water flung around by the hurricane, though it would only do so for a prolonged amount of time before the water becomes too much for her. And actually, Advent, she would fly with the hurricane's winds if she's forced to be out in it, not against them, because that would be crazy. Remember, her territory is entirely surrounded by water, and she has been to the coast quite a few times. She may be bull-headed, but this is quite the dangerous environment for her, so doing things her way probably aren't going to work, so she'll have to swallow her pride if she wants to remain in the fight. If she goes up against either kaiju from the opposing team, it'll more than likely be Onikaima she'll be sizing up since she's immune to pretty much all of his abilities. If Onikaima and Gnawgar are close enough to each other, she'll try to mess with them and attempt to cause Gnawgar to grab Oniaima with his tail. And if she attempts Hell Drop on either (though probably not worth the risk thanks to the hurricane) it would be Onikaima since he doesn't weigh as much as Gnawgar, who would slow her down too much. Question for EM: Would Zembare's Temporal Displacement Field affect Kakama? |
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| Kiryu | Nov 18 2013, 06:37 PM Post #5 |
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Actually, the temporal displacement field could help Kakama. But also the others...by reacting to the hurricane. That's just my thoughts though. I'll let EM have the official word on that. |
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| KING KAIJU | Nov 19 2013, 08:16 PM Post #6 |
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only in massive quantities but since this is a hurricane I think he's screwed unfortunately but he could use his shield to keep the rain away although it drains his energy and slows him down. |
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| AdventDestiny-Iota | Nov 19 2013, 09:43 PM Post #7 |
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I doubt the rain, no matter how torrential, would be that big of an issue for Onikaima, because of his enormous mass and presumbly thick skin. The hurricane and any nearby ocean or lake would be the only significant threats to his powers, and the shield could be used to protect against the hurricane, and Onikaima shouldn't have to worry about wasting energy while he waits for it to pass by... he just has to watch his back incase the thing turns around! |
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| EternalMothra | Nov 20 2013, 09:35 PM Post #8 |
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Zembare can control his temporal displacement field. He can manipulate it much like his telekinetic abilities. |
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| Queen Bee | Nov 20 2013, 10:32 PM Post #9 |
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Regardless of size I'd say a hurricane will play heck with all of the contestants though the larger less so then the smaller. I only see Zembare less effected then the others if his Temp. dis. field helps shield him from the elements. That would allow him to get in more effective and accurate hits. |
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| Chaos Githzerai | Nov 20 2013, 11:06 PM Post #10 |
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I remember reading it, yeah. Though, would he (want to) use it to help Kakama against the hurricane? That's what I'm wondering, and I'm curious about how it would affect an organic kaiju like her. I don't want to say much more in case I'm completely wrong about him, since I still have yet to read the fic he's in.
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| EternalMothra | Nov 21 2013, 08:35 PM Post #11 |
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Even though Kakama may not fare well with the hurricane Zembare would be able to protect her with the temporal displacement field if she remains near him. Zembare's advantage here is that the weather and water won't interfere with him at all. I can see the weather affecting Onikaima's fire-based abilities. Wouldn't they be hindered by all the water? |
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| AdventDestiny-Iota | Nov 21 2013, 11:28 PM Post #12 |
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If he walked into a large body of water, or if he got caught in the middle of the hurricane while it was in previously mentioned body of water, but as I've said before, I doubt very highly that a little rain, even torrential rain, wouldn't have any real affect on his powers. |
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“Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy.They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them.” Ishirô Honda, director of the original Godzilla film... | |
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| Chaos Githzerai | Nov 22 2013, 12:50 PM Post #13 |
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Apologies for being absent yesterday, but I've got my emotions back together. Lucky him. If Zembare wants to keep Kakama as an ally, he'd do just that. Luckily for him, Kakama's young, and with that youth comes naivete. As long as he doesn't let it slip that he's evil, she'll be willing to cooperate with him, albeit grudgingly since she's a prideful kaiju. When it comes to the hurricane, if the city has an alarm warning for them, then she'd utilize it to help her keep a lookout for it, since she would know what the alarm would mean. We would need clear confirmation from King Kaiju, but both he and DarkGhidorah haven't been around much since FFKT began. I'm curious about if Gnawgar's tail has strong armor or not, because if not, then Kakama would be able to slice his tail in two if he were to attempt to grab her, and do away with his grabber thing. Even if the water didn't affect Onikaima's fire-based abilities much, he's still dealing with a kaiju who's immune to them. Kakama can pretty much swoop through his shield without any repercussions for a quick melee strike, before dancing away. |
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| AdventDestiny-Iota | Nov 23 2013, 01:06 AM Post #14 |
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Even if Gnawgar's tail is less armored than the rest of his body, I don't know if Kakama could cut through, simply because of it's sheer density... Gnawgar is easily three times Kakama's size, although now that I think about it, unless Gnawgar's tail is extremely thick, there shouldn't be a reason Kakama can't cut it off. Onikaima doesn't pose much of a threat to Kakama, but he should be more of a threat to Zembare, due to a size advantage and possiblly superior close range combat abilities. Onikaima's ranged fire attacks wouldn't be very effective, but would Zembare's Temporal Displacement Field be effective against Onikaima's Hellraiser attack? Could the flames from the Hellraiser attack, traveling underground, get past the field? |
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“Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy.They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them.” Ishirô Honda, director of the original Godzilla film... | |
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| Chaos Githzerai | Nov 23 2013, 06:55 PM Post #15 |
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Yeah, that's true, but she'd still cut him at least. I got a little carried away when I said that. Remember, Kakama's wingfeathers work like Gyaos's sonic cutting ray, after all, so even if she didn't manage to slice Gnawgar's tail off, he's still going to bleed. Still, she'd be cautious around him while thinking of the best way to deal with him if she's unable to get him and Onikaima to hurt each other by use of her speed and the battlefield. That's something only EM can really answer, I believe. If Zembare kept Kakama protected from the hurricane with his Temporal Displacement Field, she'd end up repaying the favor by keeping him covered against Onikaima when the situation would arise. |
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| AdventDestiny-Iota | Nov 23 2013, 08:48 PM Post #16 |
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One cool trick Kakama could use is to try and get Gnawgar to use his toxic breath attack, then get him to accidentally spray Onikaima with it! Gnawgar can be confused by fast moving opponents, so it's possible that Kakama can take advantage of this weakness and also turn Gnawgar into a potential threat to his own team-mate in the process! |
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“Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy.They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them.” Ishirô Honda, director of the original Godzilla film... | |
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| Chaos Githzerai | Nov 23 2013, 09:07 PM Post #17 |
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Now why didn't I think of that? Especially since Gnawgar's Toxic Breath is really potent (making someone rot from inside out? Wow.); however, he is intelligent and searches for weak points like she does, so Kakama wouldn't go trying to confuse him too often. Not only since she wouldn't want him to catch on to what she's doing, but because Kakama likes to keep her fighting style as unpredictable as possible. So, it would be a one-time gamble, but I agree, it would be a cool trick! |
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| AdventDestiny-Iota | Nov 23 2013, 09:12 PM Post #18 |
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As is the trick is only possible if both Onikaima and Gnawgar are close to each other. Another version of this idea is to get Gnawgar, who though intelligent is also extremely courageous [meaning he doesn't usually avoid danger unless it's painfully obvious that it'll hurt him!], might be tricked into using his toxic gas when the hurricane is heading for him, potentially exposing him to his own toxic attack!... of course, that'd would have to depend on whether or not Gnawgar is vulnerable to his own toxic attack. |
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“Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy.They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them.” Ishirô Honda, director of the original Godzilla film... | |
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| DarkGhidorah | Nov 26 2013, 05:03 AM Post #19 |
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Sorry, I was with several computer problems, but now I'm back again =) Well, when I imaginated Gnawgar's physical structure, I didn't imaginated an armor like Gamera's armor, but several rows of bony plates very tough and strong and also several sharp spines (maybe it works like some type of armor, as his description speaks that one of his deffensive abilities uses it as protection), as well as crocodiles, and even if it was by a size too big, it wouldn't be like my other monster, which is absurdly large and slow. He would have speed and agility as Godzilla, that is until really fast to dodge some attacks, but Gnawgar would be more heavier than him. Another thing would be the environment of the battles: still being crocodile monster, it would still be a good swimmer (for his height of course) and has a good adaptation to water or submarine scenaries or conditions of battle, and he has the ability to grow his power and heal himself with toxic or radioactive energy (pollution, radioactive or nuclear plants. .. something like Hedorah) He still has his ancient beast spirit, and can use thos instincts of prehistoric hunter to survive in some battles I also think that his evil, tactical , however, highly explosive temperament could help him in battles I hope I have specified more about him =) |
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| Chaos Githzerai | Nov 26 2013, 01:26 PM Post #20 |
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Sorry for being inactive the past few days! x_x The problem with that is that Gnawgar may be immune to his own toxic attack, but we'd need confirmation from Dark to know for sure. Also, that would cause problems for Kakama and Onikaima (and possibly Zembare) in the long run, so, I think that would be a bad idea, overall. Kakama isn't someone who'd put everyone in danger like that. Plus, she'd be sticking close to Zembare while the hurricane is wrecking havoc since his Temporal Displacement Field would protect her from it. And welcome back, Dark! I'm sorry to hear about the computer giving you more problems. And, so that would mean that his tail would have that same armor? But you should know that Kakama's wingfeathers do work like Gyaos's sonic cutting ray, which can cut through /a lot/ of things. |
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| Kiryu | Nov 26 2013, 01:51 PM Post #21 |
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It sounds like Gnawgar would be unaffected to his own toxicity, given the statement by Dark that he feeds off radiation and toxic waste to sustain and heal himself. But yes, combining that toxicity with the hurricane would be a danger to everyone but Gnawgar himself. However, Kakama would probably not know this. If she did try that stunt, she would inadvertently endanger herself and Zembare. But at that point, Gnawgar would be the only viable kaiju (of course maybe Zembare also) remaining to fight at full strength. I'm still kind of undecided on this one. |
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| Chaos Githzerai | Nov 26 2013, 04:15 PM Post #22 |
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Woudn't Onikaima be in danger as well? And she probably wouldn't know that, true, but she does know that the hurricane is a danger to her, which is why she'd avoid it, due to the amounts of water it's more than likely carrying. If said scenario did happen, though, Kakama could heal herself by transforming to her Primal Form if she ended up being affected. And I just thought of something! What's stopping Gnawgar himself from using his toxic breath on the hurricane just to be a douche, especially if he is immune to his own toxicity? Quite an unnerving thought. |
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| AdventDestiny-Iota | Nov 26 2013, 04:36 PM Post #23 |
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That would be a pretty dirty move, considering it could potentially harm his partner! Don't know what poor Onikaima is going to do, with his powers constantly threatened by the elements, and now the potential to be injured by his own team mate! |
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| DarkGhidorah | Nov 26 2013, 06:27 PM Post #24 |
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Only to confirm, yes, Gnawgar is a true "nuclear/radioactive garbage can". I mean, he can be affected by his toxic blow, cause he is full of toxic essences. And yes Chaos, he isn't 100% invincible cause of his armor. A I said, he don't have something resembling a true hard armor (example: Gamera, Anguirus) |
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| Chaos Githzerai | Nov 26 2013, 06:43 PM Post #25 |
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Kakama would definitely play the range game if she ever went up against Gnawgar, then. But, she'll probably spend most of this fight against Onikaima, as I stated in a previous post. |
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