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| Eisenritter | Apr 19 2016, 08:24 PM Post #21 |
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Forum post, forum post, forum post. Do not confuse forum posts for legitimacy. |
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| weredrago2 | Apr 19 2016, 08:33 PM Post #22 |
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You do realize that nothing having to do with Dungeons: the Dragoning has legitimacy, right? You have nothing to lose from making changes to improve the class and make it more open. |
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| Eisenritter | Apr 20 2016, 04:18 AM Post #23 |
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Certain things appear to have more legitimacy than others, and it does not do to forget it. Sheriff is thus the only legitimate precedent for a class that gives background dots for completion, and two of your examples need to change.
Edited by Eisenritter, Apr 20 2016, 04:29 AM.
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| weredrago2 | Apr 20 2016, 07:13 AM Post #24 |
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The key word there is 'appear'. Certain things 'appear' to have more legitimacy than others, but they do not. The homebrew we make is just as valid as the stuff put in Books 1 and 2, so don't give me any of that sacred cow crap. The Sheriff is a weird class because the Completion Bonus gives you something you would most likely already have (Backing with Law Enforcement) and it doesn't give you things you actually need (Quick Draw). If I already started with Backing for Law Enforcement, I would be motivated to jump off the class track because I already maxed it out. I'm going to have to take that Cowboy Base Class I made and stretch it out into a full track just so I can make the Sheriff the way I think it should be. With that rant out of the way, let's talk about the Cowboys of the East, the Samurai. Samurai should have an either/or option on which kind of Background they want to advance as they level up so that they don't end up in the same situation that the Sheriffs are stuck in. To address your complaint about the Daimyo (which shouldn't matter anyway because the class names are just class names and have no bearing on anything in-universe), a Samurai can start building up their Backing to become military generals, then start working on their Status so that everyone knows how great they are. Actually, thinking about it, the Samurai could apply their social advancement to a wide range of Backgrounds. Status only works with other Exalts, and isn't applicable to anything else Samurai related. Why not make their Completion Bonus the Courtier's Privilege feat? Also, Hatred (Pirates) should be changed to Hatred (Any). Just hating pirates doesn't make sense when there's all sorts of things (bandits, ninjas, daemons, other samurai) that they would have good reasons to go about hating as well. |
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| Eisenritter | Apr 20 2016, 08:51 AM Post #25 |
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There, now they get a bushido mechanic (as per Champions of Kamigawa) instead. Hatred's going to stay fixed, as the PALADIN it parallels is. To explain: Samurai - in D&D at the very least - are to the Lawful alignment as paladins are (supposed to be) to the Good alignment. Piracy - inclusive of banditry of sea- and space-faring varieties as well as the digital version - is generally performed in defiance of the law. As an enforcer of the law, a samurai should therefore be against pirates of any kind. Sample Card
Edited by Eisenritter, Apr 20 2016, 09:26 AM.
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| weredrago2 | Apr 20 2016, 09:25 AM Post #26 |
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The new Completion Bonus works. You have a typo on 'to', though. I can understand not giving Samurai Courtier's Privilege, since it makes the Courtier itself less unique. That's what Multiclassing is for. On that note, could you make some of the occurrences of Discipline optional? It's basically Sound Constitution for Social Combat, and making it optional leads to faster class progression through an otherwise feat-intensive class. Paladins getting Hatred (Heretics) makes sense because they're expected to fight heretics of their god on a fairly often basis. Samurai are not expected to fight pirates on a daily basis. Hatred (Thieves) covers unscrupulous and dishonorable crooks of all sorts, while Hatred (Pirates) only covers the ones who steal in ships. Devoted Spirit and Iron Heart should probably be replaced with Ancient Temple, Dancing Leaf, or Infinite Choir (pick two), since they all use Fencing Weapons while Devoted Spirit and Iron Heart do not. Edited by weredrago2, Apr 20 2016, 09:26 AM.
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| Eisenritter | Apr 20 2016, 09:35 AM Post #27 |
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Dancing Leaf uses Parrying weapons, not Fencing. The point was to avoid homebrew if possible, and it was: Devoted Spirit suits the idea of a devoted retainer, and Iron Heart is a non-supernatural school that allows the use of a staff if desired. If anything, I'd be more inclined to switch one to White Raven. And I find "thieves" too broad, given that it would also cover most politicians (whom the samurai should be aiding) in addition to most vagrants, the activities expected of an adventuring party, and at least two entire races. |
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| weredrago2 | Apr 20 2016, 09:48 AM Post #28 |
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My mistake on Dancing Leaf. As for the others, if the point is to avoid Homebrew, fair enough. Same could be said for the Hatred that Paladins and Clerics get, depending on the god. I mean, spellcasting is Heretical for Khorne, and anybody that uses too much technology is going to make a Luna worshiper mad. |
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| stellatedHexahedron | Apr 20 2016, 10:47 AM Post #29 |
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How about Hatred (Brigands)? More specific than Thieves, less specific than Pirates. Ideally it'd be Hatred (Pirates, Brigands, and the Like) or even Hatred (Pirates(in the General Sense)), but somehow I doubt that would fly. Or what about Hatred (Any Type of Criminal)? |
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| weredrago2 | Apr 20 2016, 08:54 PM Post #30 |
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While flavorful, I don't see the reason for Samurai to get Discipline so many times. Those Discipline feats and Sound Constitutions make for a much long feat progression than some other classes. I was going to suggest removing the Skill Focus(es), but Samurai were supposed to be artists on the side or something. While I like the change to Hatred (Criminals), I'm still going to request a change to Hatred (Any) because Samurai have a much broader range of things to dislike compared to Clerics and Paladins, such as Peasantry and Filthy Gaijin Scum. |
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