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Sohei v2.0; Purity through Hate. Dignity through Rage. Let the fire within light fires without.
Topic Started: Mar 30 2016, 07:22 PM (1,299 Views)
Eisenritter
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Psst... take a look at Atavist. See the prerequisites? Guess what you're not actually forced to take.

Changed a class skill to make something more clear. I am NOT well-pleased with this new insistence that any homebrew that includes "choose a group" feats must for some reason be "choose ANY group."
Edited by Eisenritter, Aug 26 2016, 06:33 PM.
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'For some reason'? The 'some reason' is that my character (a Githzerai who is effectively a mashup of Nail and Drax the Destroyer) does not have a reason to have Hatred against Daemons, so it would be silly to force him to pick that specific Hatred when Hatred can be used for multiple different things.

It's the same issue I have with your Samurai. A Samurai (or Sohei) can hate a lot of things (Daemons, Devils, Elves, Humans, Orks, Halfings, Warmongers, Nobility, Vehicles, and even Other Martial Warriors Besides Themselves), so pidgeonholing them to one thing they HAVE to hate doesn't make sense.

Unless you have a specific reason not to change it to Any, I don't see why you shouldn't.
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Mar 30 2016, 07:23 PM
see if there's anything I can use to help fold in some of Kamigawa's spirit-slayers here.

If anything, the major problem you've got with it is that it JUST NOW became an issue, after sitting on this for MONTHS with no input.

Specific Hatred is here to STAY, and if you don't like it, you can fix it MY way or you can multiclass your way in and just not have that last point of Speed bonus.
Edited by Eisenritter, Aug 26 2016, 07:02 PM.
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The reason I didn't pick up on it earlier is because I only recently started playing the damn game. Before then, I skimmed through these threads with only a vague idea of how these things worked in action. Since I finally have an understanding of how this game actually works, I've been going through a bunch of older homebrew to see how my slightly-more-informed-than-before input could help.

TLDR I didn't bring it up earlier because I would have been talking out of my ass without really knowing the rules for DtD.

Also, what does fixing it your way entail? I didn't understand that part.
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The quoted text. At least part of the edit from the last version (mentioned in that thread, unfortunately not in this one) was to align them with the yamabushi god-killers from MtG's Kamigawa block. Thus, Hatred for Daemons.
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If the specific Hatred doesn't apply, then just ask your Starmaster if it is alright to make it something else. Seems like the easiest fix.

All Initiates hate Heretics for instance, even if you are yourself playing a character that is a Heretic. It's just the way it is. I don't see any problem with a class that has a specific hatred for say, Daemons. It's just a part of the class, just like hatred of Heretics is a part of Initiate and Priest. If your character doesn't have a specific reason to hate Daemons in a class that gets Hatred (Daemons) then find one, work out a houserule with the Starmaster or realize that the class might not fit the character you had in mind.
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...Or that, yes. You'll note that you can enter at Atavist using Monk and Barbarian and not look back.
Edited by Eisenritter, Aug 26 2016, 07:23 PM.
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Alright, that's a fair compromise. With that squared away, I don't see any other glaring issues with this class that need to be addressed.

I like the new Sword Schools Sohei can get.

EDIT: Oh, what the hell. The character's arch nemesis can be a Daemon Prince. That counts, right?
Edited by weredrago2, Aug 26 2016, 07:31 PM.
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