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Preventing certain users from logging into the server
Topic Started: Jan 19 2014, 12:05 AM (215 Views)
LinkinParkCat

This is a problem. Some people need restricted access to the server.
Why? Because this server lacks the same restriction that other servers have. This is a good and bad thing. It gives people the chance to redeem themselves and find where to be unbanned but it also allows users to break rules even after they are banned. Spamming with commands is easy to fix because of /forbid but some people are clever enough to abuse this gift and spam logins and disconnects.

I'll give 3 examples of those kinds of people.

Yesterday, January 18th, aaron.shallow.123@gmail.com was spamming logins. The chat logs were too spaced out for me the post, but along with spamming the logins he managed to find a bug where he could log in twice with his Minecraft.net email account. I think the reason he did this was because of the veterans who were on at the time started kicking him for his spamming and griefing rather than waiting for the vote to ban to appear and the auto-mute spam detector to take place, but that's a whole other topic. The only reason he stopped bugging the server through his unstoppable abuse was the server crashing which made him not come back.

This next guy was banned for griefing and decided to rage at the server by spamming logins.
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[17] (05:44:02 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net disconnected.
[17] (05:44:09 PM) 24.101.167.232 connected to the server.
[17] (05:44:09 PM) awsomepingu3 used /paste [pingu_base]
[17] (05:44:13 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net [24.101.167.232] has joined the server.
[17] (05:44:14 PM) -------awsomepingu3 PASTED (14 BLOCKS)
[17] (05:44:15 PM) awsomepingu3 used /paste [pingu_base]
[17] (05:44:17 PM) winsupermario used /addhome island winsupervillage 56 56 56 [start]
[17] (05:44:17 PM) illgetmynife@yahoo.com disconnected.
[17] (05:44:18 PM) Unloading level because it's empty. (PLAYER.CS)
[17] (05:44:18 PM) Skipping level save for illgetmynife@yahoo.com_3.
[17] (05:44:18 PM) ean909@yahoo.com used /fly [nomansland]
[17] (05:44:18 PM) --HIDDEN-- was unloaded.
[17] (05:44:19 PM) -------awsomepingu3 PASTED (14 BLOCKS)
[17] (05:44:20 PM) awsomepingu3 used /paste [pingu_base]
[17] (05:44:27 PM) -------awsomepingu3 PASTED (14 BLOCKS)
[17] (05:44:28 PM) awsomepingu3 used /paste [pingu_base]
[17] (05:44:28 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net disconnected.
[17] (05:44:34 PM) -------awsomepingu3 PASTED (14 BLOCKS)
[17] (05:44:35 PM) 24.101.167.232 connected to the server.
[17] (05:44:36 PM) awsomepingu3 used /paste [pingu_base]
[17] (05:44:38 PM) winsupermario used /addhome island winsupervillage 64 64 64 [start]
[17] (05:44:38 PM) SAVED: Level "winsupervillage". (0/7 people are in this map)
[17] (05:44:39 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net [24.101.167.232] has joined the server.
[17] (05:44:39 PM) -------awsomepingu3 PASTED (14 BLOCKS)
[17] (05:44:40 PM) Level "winsupervillage" loaded.
[17] (05:44:40 PM) ean909@yahoo.com used /fly off [nomansland]
[17] (05:44:46 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net disconnected.
[17] (05:44:52 PM) 24.101.167.232 connected to the server.
[17] (05:44:56 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net [24.101.167.232] has joined the server.
[17] (05:44:57 PM) awsomepingu3 used /players [pingu_base]
[17] (05:45:02 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net disconnected.
[17] (05:45:09 PM) awsomepingu3 used /cuboid [pingu_base]
[17] (05:45:10 PM) 24.101.167.232 connected to the server.
[17] (05:45:12 PM) -------awsomepingu3 CUBOID (350 BLOCKS)
[17] (05:45:13 PM) awsomepingu3 used /cuboid [pingu_base]
[17] (05:45:14 PM) winsupermario used /fly [winsupervillage]
[17] (05:45:14 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net [24.101.167.232] has joined the server.
[17] (05:45:17 PM) -------awsomepingu3 CUBOID (80 BLOCKS)
[17] (05:45:20 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net disconnected.
[17] (05:45:21 PM) winsupermario used /fly [winsupervillage]
[17] (05:45:27 PM) 24.101.167.232 connected to the server.
[17] (05:45:31 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net [24.101.167.232] has joined the server.
[17] (05:45:31 PM) <awsomepingu3> how about perna banned linkin
[17] (05:45:43 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net disconnected.
[17] (05:45:47 PM) 24.101.167.232 connected to the server.
[17] (05:45:51 PM) awsomepingu3 used /cuboid [pingu_base]
[17] (05:45:51 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net [24.101.167.232] has joined the server.
[17] (05:45:54 PM) -------awsomepingu3 CUBOID (324 BLOCKS)
[17] (05:45:55 PM) winsupermario used /fly [winsupervillage]
[17] (05:45:57 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net disconnected.
[17] (05:46:02 PM) frank31xl2 has left IRC
[17] (05:46:09 PM) Gamerkd-AtWork-DontBotherMe-F2 has left channel #gamerkd
[17] (05:46:11 PM) 24.101.167.232 connected to the server.
[17] (05:46:15 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net [24.101.167.232] has joined the server.
[17] (05:46:23 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net disconnected.

[17] (05:46:30 PM) 24.101.167.232 connected to the server.
[17] (05:46:32 PM) 24.172.185.10 connected to the server.
[17] (05:46:34 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net [24.101.167.232] has joined the server.
[17] (05:46:36 PM) [IRC] LPC: What is this guy doing?
[17] (05:46:38 PM) Lately known as: (my "secret" names)
[17] (05:46:38 PM) LinkinParkCat [(my IP)] has joined the server.[ClassiCube Client]
[17] (05:46:41 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net disconnected.
[17] (05:46:48 PM) 24.101.167.232 connected to the server.
[17] (05:46:50 PM) 24.101.167.232 disconnected. [created=0 / deleted=0]
[17] (05:46:54 PM) 24.101.167.232 connected to the server.
[17] (05:46:58 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net [24.101.167.232] has joined the server.
[17] (05:46:59 PM) LinkinParkCat used /kick wdh1944 [start]
[17] (05:46:59 PM) wdh1944@zoominternet.net kicked (You were kicked by LinkinParkCat! [LinkinParkCat]).

Luckily he wasn't stubborn enough to continue to come back after I notified him that I acknowledged what he was doing.

And lastly, a reason I wanted krashfm not to be unbanned.
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[29] (12:18:12 AM) krashfm1015 disconnected.
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[29] (12:19:54 AM) krashfm1015 [24.251.196.132] has joined the server.
[29] (12:19:58 AM) krashfm1015 disconnected.
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[29] (12:20:27 AM) krashfm1015 [24.251.196.132] has joined the server.
[29] (12:20:31 AM) krashfm1015 disconnected.
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[29] (12:20:58 AM) krashfm1015 [24.251.196.132] has joined the server.
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[29] (12:21:33 AM) krashfm1015 disconnected.
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[29] (12:22:00 AM) krashfm1015 [24.251.196.132] has joined the server.
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[29] (12:22:27 AM) krashfm1015 disconnected.
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[29] (12:22:54 AM) krashfm1015 [24.251.196.132] has joined the server.
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[29] (12:27:15 AM) krashfm1015 [24.251.196.132] has joined the server.
[29] (12:27:24 AM) krashfm1015 disconnected.
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[29] (12:27:50 AM) krashfm1015 [24.251.196.132] has joined the server.
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[29] (12:27:54 AM) krashfm1015 disconnected.
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[29] (12:28:20 AM) krashfm1015 [24.251.196.132] has joined the server.

And the only thing that him to stop doing that is me unmuting him. All his annoyances were eventually stopped by being unbanned but that's because his intentions were to get attention to get unbanned and not purely malicious. Unfortunately, the other two people had spamming the server on their mind.


The day krashfm did that was also the day I asked Gamerkd to add something to prevent some users from logging in.
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[29] (12:25:17 AM) [IRC] LPC: GamerkdCoding: There needs to be a way for people to be banned from joining the server, because sometimes there's people like krash
[29] (12:25:32 AM) [IRC] LPC: Where it's unlikely he'll ever be unbanned but he'll come back in and bother people in any way he can

But Gamerkd's response was this
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[29] (12:37:58 AM) [IRC] Gamerkd|Coding: i dont want to ban people from the server

And I understand why. Banning users from the server gives them no chance to redeem themselves, but sometimes you have to not give them a chance. Sometimes there's somebody who commits a crime so bad that they need to be punished in such a way that they cant effect others anymore, like sentencing somebody to death.

My suggestions for this feature would be either to lie to the user by disconnecting them with "the server appears to be down" message or kicking them saying they can appeal on the forums, though if they are doing something so bad that they are banned from logging in then maybe they shouldn't appeal (though everyone should have a chance).
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Phyre
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I'd like to start off by thanking you for the effort you put into this post.

You're gonna go far, kid. (Matt loves this song) but seriously it's true.

More about Matt:
In the beginning, watching Matt make decisions to give people a second chance showed that he cared enough about the people watching. After years of consistently giving many the benefit of the doubt (for a multitude of reasons) has shown he indeed cares. This has literally changed the way I myself make decisions.

Now I don't have much invested in the way these people affect the server, but I think that if someone has resorted to spamming logins (I mean seriously who does that?) they obviously need something to do. Everyone who logs on the server has their lives changed; it would be best if their experience is positive.

So about fixing it. Add invisible-announcing logins of banned people?

Maybe I'm missing something. Sorry I didn't put as much effort in as you did, catman.
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LinkinParkCat

Phyre
Jan 19 2014, 02:12 AM
So about fixing it. Add invisible-announcing logins of banned people?
That could also work if it was only shown in the logs.
Not everyone needs that though so it wouldn't need to be applied to all banned people, just the horrible ones.
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xnotx123
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That could work, but we also need /muteip.
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Gamerkd
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I am still against banning people from logging in. Adding /mutelogin and /muteip will work.
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Red8848
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LinkinParkCat is the man
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