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Crg and Pain Grief Korykat
Topic Started: Dec 16 2011, 08:17 PM (1,226 Views)
thepainman616
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I have to agree with phyre on this one, i have to deal with lots of kids that doesn't understand commands at all, kids that don't even know how to make a / sign, which is quite unfortunate, i ozoned myself MOST of the time to help people, not to destroy their stuff, it saddens me that you strict up the server THIS much, because one or two people troll a little, sure, keep the "ban people from maps" command, but at least remove the anti-ozone command, if you want me to moderate, i must be available to moderate, and since some kids can't even speak English this wont make it easier, and i know that you've said this before "don't rank people up if they can't even speak English!" but if a kid has excellent building skills i will, besides, didn't you say "oh the kids are fuel to the server", doesn't that count the Non-English speaking kids as well? the bottom line is, You have no right to punish EVERYONE (moderator and admins?) just because me and CRG made a mistake, ESPECIALLY after we apologized, thats bullshit, maybe im digging too deep again, but thats just how i see it, i play on the server because i have freedom, because other servers are too strict, and too "Nazi" to even qualify as fun, this server would quickly turn into a strict Nazi camp if more commands like these were added, just saying.

TPM
Edited by thepainman616, Dec 18 2011, 10:36 AM.
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Big_mij
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Call me master.
If someone has a home, they clearly know how to use commands. Otherwise they wouldn't have made a home.

So they CAN ozone you.
For me, I don't care cause I'm a people person. I like talking to them.
So, I could care less about talking them through commands.
I have no prefrence.
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By "they dont understand commands" i mean THEY DONT SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH its all "how u du diz n dat!?" and its hard to fucking understand, and they have less braincells than a 90 year old alcoholic on a rape-spree in a satanic ice-cream van.
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Gamerkd
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Ok, the ozone I'll leave.

I'll add the ban from homes idea.

As for the ignore...there are times when I want to ignore you pain. You piss people off verbally all the time. Now I said this is ok because only actions speak louder than words, but if they don't want to listen to you anymore bitch them out they should be able to mute you. I don't know...

And as for the nazi thing. This is why I seek feedback. If I get too much opposition I will change mind. Friendly discussion.
Edited by Gamerkd, Dec 18 2011, 06:29 PM.
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KoryKat

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Dec 17 2011, 04:30 PM
Just let the fire die, its not that important, kory doesnt give a shit anymore, crg doesnt give a shit anymore, im not even sure gamer gives a shit anymore, please, just let the fucking fire die, god damn.
You're wrong. I still care. I cared enough to let Gamer know, and I care enough to have you demoted all the way back to guest. I don't think you should be banned, since you have shown that you are dedicated to the server, but I wouldn't be upset if you were.

You seem like a cool guy and all, but dude u were being a fucking ASSHOLE. I think you're a good builder, but your personality sucks. You don't check builds or for grief very often either, so I don't think you are really a worthy mod. You may be a good builder, but not that good of a mod. You abuse constantly, and not always in a good way that can be laughed off by everyone. I'm surprised you've been mod for this long.

I half-accepted your apology, meaning I don't hate you, but I don't like you.
You never even said "I'm sorry". You just moved on from it without addressing it.

In conclusion... I want your mod taken away, I want you to stop abusing players and stop the dick attitude toward all the new players, and I want you to keep voicing your opinion. You're open about things and that's very important, but you're too negative for it to have a GOOD effect on things.

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EDIT: Actually, I'd like to add something... He did try to fix it in the end, but he never did apologize. He says "I always apologize", but no he doesn't. He doesn't readress the past, he just moved forward and tries to bring some sort of friendship back. It works, but not in every situation.

He did try to fix it, yes, but notice that he kept griefing me OVER and OVER and OVER again, even after I told him to stop multiple times. I showed that I didn't think it was funny anymore. I let everyone know it was getting way out of hand by my reactions. He just kept going, even when the map glitched, he kept trying and trying to grief. Check the logs, it says "Korykat unloaded" but he keeps doing commands in my [glitched] map. At that point, he realized "Oh shit i brokeded the map. I guess it's time to "fix" everything. /undo!!!"
That reaction seems somewhat okay to me, seeing as I've done it before [lol], but it's a bunch of bullshit because, BECAUSE OF HIM AND CRG, MY MAP CRASHED!! I had to redo a TON OF STUFF because of him.

Whether or not he tried to fix it, he didnt. He is responsible, and, I believe, He must be punished.

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Edited by KoryKat, Dec 18 2011, 09:26 PM.
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are you saying this to steal mod away from me? because guess what, it would be a bad strategy for gamer, and the server, ive been part of the server for a year now, and im not gonna be deranked just for this, guess what kory? this is not like every other server, its unique, because gamer has a brain, its bigger than everyone elses, so you don't really make the decision if i should be deranked or not, gamer does, and he haven't deranked me yet, gamer is one of those people who KNOWS ME better than you kory, oh wow you got so offended by me writing a sentence on your wall, well guess what dipshit, this is the internet, haters gonna hate, trolls are gonna troll, what has been done, is already done, we have already finished this, if you are so deeply offended by this you don't deserve my respect, thats not how the game works in my head, guess what kory, you may have lost 10 minutes of progress, in several servers ive lost MONTHS of progress and work, losing some progress in minecraft is something you need to get used to, its not like this server will even exist in 3 or 4 years anyway, heck who knows when it may be shut down? then ALL your progress will be lost, so will mine and everyone elses, its just a game Kory, don't be such a whiny cunt because of it, imagine what YOU would have to go through if you were a mod, you might think its all fun to be a mod, guess what, it isn't, it used to be, but its not, dealing with 9 year old fuckheads is NOT fun, so i troll people, i troll them to death, but i DO apologize, i might not have done it to you, but i usually wait before i apologize, i like to get used to the person i troll before i apologize, say i grief CRG or BIG, i will apologize, because ive known those guys for quite some time now, and they would know im just messing around, ive said this before, and i say it again, im the server asshole, and my job IS to troll people, (besides being a loyal mod when im not trolling) you could not POSSIBLY know all the stuff i do for the server kory, youll never know that, because im on when no one else is on, i check on the server to see if there is grief, i undo it, and leave, but griefers might log on when im offline, thus i cannot undo all of it, and who cares about ALL the grief anyway? do you even know how i joined for the first time kory? the VERY first time i joined, i griefed the shit out of the server, i got banned and left, several months later, i rejoin, i didn't remember ANYTHING about the server, or that i griefed it, i tell gamer that i had awesome building skills, buys me a map, ranks me to trusted, and i build away, gets skilled, and BAM, birth of the TPM you know today, i griefed parts of the server several times after that, both for trolling reasons, and that i lost my meds, so as you see kory, ive done this a million times, and im still standing, guess its my "shitty" personality as you mentioned that keeps me in the server, oh well. i bet you didn't even bother to read through all this, so ill end it here.

TPM
Edited by thepainman616, Dec 18 2011, 10:16 PM.
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Ok sir that little blurb you just wrote makes me pretty sad for multiple reasons want to hear them? ok!
thepainman616
 
because guess what, it would be a bad strategy for gamer, and the server
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a bad strategy. If you were gone there would be many people who will gladly take your place. People that don't grief while doing their job (what a crazy thing!)
thepainman616
 
its just a game
you mentioned this quite alot and yes it is just a game, but when I want to play this game I do not want to join a server with people that don't want me to have the full experience of this game (building | community | friendly interactions)
thepainman616
 
you might think its all fun to be a mod, guess what, it isn't, it used to be
we're not forcing you to be a mod and again other people will do it if you don't want to.
thepainman616
 
the VERY first time i joined, i griefed the shit out of the server
i griefed parts of the server several times after that
so as you see kory, ive done this a million times
I really don't see how you think its good to have done these things? Its against our rules that you ban others for why don't you ban yourself?
thepainman616
 
guess its my "shitty" personality as you mentioned that keeps me in the server
mostly annoyed at your thoughts of immunity and you give yourself every reason to be banned, but we give you chances over and over.

Your response to Kory (who you griefed) by condescendingly calling him names has lost the only respect i've had for you. DON CUR THAT YOU'RE GOOD AT BUILDING (like at all)
Edited by Phyre, Dec 18 2011, 10:32 PM.
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Got to side with Phyre on this one. You sounds like a huge egotistical, condescending jerk. You were wrong (griefing - no matter how little). He was right (griefed). Admit it. Then we can move on. Don't make yourself seem like you are a god.

Since when is the victim the person blamed and yelled at?

Police: "So let me get this stright. You LET him rape you? Wow...just wow. This is your fault."
lol

tldr; No I wont ban or demote him over this. Especially since it was small. CRG did most of the z airing. But he's (pain) been on thin ice for a while.
Edited by Gamerkd, Dec 18 2011, 10:36 PM.
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KoryKat

*NOTE: Strong language is used in this reply.

"are you saying this to steal mod away from me? because guess what, it would be a bad strategy for gamer, and the server" - TPM
Yes. Not in my opinion.

"you don't really make the decision if i should be deranked or not, gamer does" - TPM
I thought I already explained that I knew that. I was expressing my opinion of the matter, and I am 99% sure that you deserve to have your mod taken away. It is up to him, but that doesn't mean im going to not report your rudefulness and your failures as moderator. A moderator is supposed to be more mature than that, and set good examples for builders and people. That is the OPPOSITE of what you do.

"my job IS to troll people" - TPM
Then my job is to report your ass.

"losing some progress in minecraft is something you need to get used to" - TPM
It is something i have gotten used to. Why do you think i reported you so fast? Why do you think i took so many screenshots? Why do you think i did so many backups of my map THAT YOU GREIFED AND GLITCHED, THEN LEFT?!

"its not like this server will even exist in 3 or 4 years anyway"
Maybe not, but I would still like my stuff to be around for as long as possible. It's not like i want my stuff to go any faster than it has to.

"don't be such a whiny cunt because of it"
Quit being such a dick and doing it.

"imagine what YOU would have to go through if you were a mod" - TPM
I don't have to "Imagine" because I have been OP+ on MANY servers, unlike you. You're too bad of a mod to even get op, and yet here you are wondering why. How do you think i know all the commands, smart@$$?

You're an ignorant jerk that does not care about how the lower rankers feel. You only care about getting a higher rank and expressing your opinion. You may say that you care about the server and that you want to protect it, hell I'll even say that you have proven that, but when you weigh that with HOW YOU TREAT THE PLAYERS, i think the server would be better off without you being a mod. I'm sure SOME people may defend you on that last part, but MOST people would be on my side. Weighing that against how good of a mod you've been (which i honestly havnt seen you rank ANYONE or ban/kick ANYONE with a proper reason) I'd say you should definitely lose your mod rank.



Going back to that "my job IS to troll people, (besides being a loyal mod when im not trolling)" part...

Why would you put being Mod AFTER your troll job? Is it because that you TROLL 1000x more often than you act as a GOOD moderator?? I believe that is the case.


This is my opinion. Final say is up to Gamer.
All others, feel free to comment.

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TO Kyle/Exuseus/Phyre: Actually, the server was under a huge grief attack, thats how i got Mod (along with erebus), so it was actually kinda forced on me, but was i forced to have it afterwards? no, im not saying that i DON'T like having the mod rank, im simply saying that it can get FUCKING annoying at times, and guess what? remember cnrkiwi? the servers precious little whore? thats right, i called her a whore, she griefed OVER and OVER and OVER and NEVER got in trouble for it, may i ask why? is it because she is pregnant? is it because shes a girl? whats with that? Why would i ban myself and leave the server? the reasons i play on this server is A. to talk to friends, B. to Moderate and help, C. troll the shit out of everyone, also i call everyone names, something that you should be quite aware of and is part of my TPM personality, a ruthless, psychopatic, feelingless asshole, whom continues to torture the weak, (and sometimes the strong), i can see where you are coming from Mr.Goody Two-Shoes, im sad that my respect was lost, at least no lives were taken, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, so they say, and i got to admit something, "kyle", i never really liked you, thats right, i always thought of you as a bland, and lame person, who doesn't really talk that much, and lacks personality. you are like a drone who just wanders around and accepts every command you are given, at least thats the impression you make, but no hard feelings right? haha!

TPM
Edited by thepainman616, Dec 18 2011, 10:47 PM.
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