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US Foreign Policy in regards to Radical Christianity
Topic Started: Mar 12 2012, 03:35:46 PM (449 Views)
Matarchi
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Before, he at least was a Catholic Majority nation, talking with me about the Catholic Vatican in his nation.
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the Vactin is in my nation but its not apart of my nation its its own nation state like the Vactin in RL, the Vactin is my nation because my nation is just as much muslim as it is Roman Catholic, and plus it didnt seem right to have it in any other nation
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Matarchi
Mar 12 2012, 04:07:11 PM
And Paj, I'm just saying that the RL US is apparently about the same as the RP US. The RL US is not fully secular, so I was thinking it would make sense that the RP US is likely not fully Secular.
In de jure it is fully secular. So in a sense it "is" fully secular, officially

But if you're referring to how a lot of Americans mix their Christian values with politics, then you have to understand that separation of church and state does not mean the people must do so too -- so it really depends on how you define "fully"

For example, many people would think of Canada as being more secular than the US, because of all its progressive policies and how much more rarely religion is brought up.

Yet it is not the US, but Canada, that has provisions in legal documents mandating public money go into Catholic Schools

You know

Public funded catholic schools?

When I first learned of this, it repulsed me to the core.

To me, that makes Canada less secular than the US, because my belief of secularism is government freedom from religion, not people freedom from it.

Yet, it is Canada, with its catholic public schools that has made way for federal marriage equality --

Point is, secularism can only be understood in terms of government structure; this must be the formal understanding of it. And if we're talking about the US in terms of its formal secularism, then the US is absolutely 100% secular.
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Matarchi
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If your nation has a Catholic institution but is Muslim, then you likely a) were conquered by a Muslim nation like the US and the Vatican was a resistance. But why did you talk with Conrica as a catholic nation? And why would the Vatican be in a Muslim country?
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I'm in a Catholic School. The schools were created because of a similar reason why the US government swears to god as a usual path. Because the majority of presidents were WASPs as well as mostly Protestant. The structure is secular, but the people in power tend to be way less even handed. Mostly because pretty much every president was a White Protestant that were near Chauvinists.
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Not all, but a majority
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Its more for me about whether the government treats all groups equally.
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Matarchi
Mar 12 2012, 04:17:20 PM
I'm in a Catholic School. The schools were created because of a similar reason why the US government swears to god as a usual path. Because the majority of presidents were WASPs as well as mostly Protestant. The structure is secular, but the people in power tend to be way less even handed. Mostly because pretty much every president was a White Protestant that were near Chauvinists.
Yes; but the reasons don't matter. This undermines secularism in Canada, in the formal understanding of it.

Remember that no public money goes into making "God" references

People can swear on the Bible, the Quran, or the constitution; this is a reflection of the person, not the government.

In this same way, "In God we Trust" is of much, much, much more ceremonious use than a Catholic Public School.

In Aronow v. United States, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled: "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise."

So no, they weren't made for similar reasons. And even if they were, it doesn't matter. Because one is a motto that has nothing to do with anything really.

The other has money going into building religious institutions, and entire buildings that can reasonably be understood to promote a certain religious sect (Catholicism)

If I were a Canadian, and a hard working Canadian Tax Payer, I would be disgusted to find that the money I go to goes to promote a religion even just a bit, and it holds true whether or not the religion I promote is mine or somebody elses, instead of going into alleviating the poor or buying F-35s.

If religious institutions want my money, I want them to get it from Friday Prayer boxes, or Sunday donations, not from hard working Canadians who intended to use it for public use.

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It was because of the French canadians. I agree, public schools should be the norm, but the amount of French Candians in Canada means many people do it to make sure their children can get proper spiritual education. Since most Canadians are Catholics, they don't really care.
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As well, schools are provincial so the two places with French-Canadians happen to also mostly be Catholic tax payers.
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