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Battle 1: Soul Eater Rune vs. Frostmourne (First Round)
Topic Started: Oct 8 2010, 07:23 PM (2,201 Views)
andaryu
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Battle 1: Soul Eater Rune vs. Frostmourne (First Round)

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The Soul Eater Rune
Origin: Suikoden I

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Also known as the "Rune of Life and Death", this rune represents the two inevitabilities. The Rune bends the fate of those around the bearer and drags them into the clutches of death, essentially eating their souls (as is its namesake), while granting the wearer great power.

Pros:
- Extremely powerful. Has the ability to completely devour the bearer's foes.
- Grants the owner immortality so long as he bares the Rune.

Cons:
- The wearer tends to see those who are beloved to him die, and it consequentially consumes their soul, thus increasing its own power. Basically, the owner is doomed to continue his life alone. In terms of the game's storyline, the soul consumes Tir McDohl's (The true bearer) Father, friend and trusted ally, and Best friend and bodyguard during the game, basically all he's known and loved.
- Only has one true owner, (which it eventually finds). The users of the Rune before it finds the true owner are forced to live miserable lives (Or at least close to...depending on how they live them). Even so, the true owner still has a generally unfavorable life, unable to truly find a place in the world because all they love will be consumed.
- In the manner of the game, it shares the Magic Usage with other runes the character may bare. While this isn't an issue in Suikoden I, it creates an issue in Suikoden II (In which you can equip 3 Runes). All Runes equipped share the same magic abilites, so if you spend all of your Level 1 magic with another Rune, you cannot use the Soul Eater's Level 1 magic.
- Although never voiced within the games, like the other True Runes, it does have a mind of it's own and works on it's own if it needs to. (In the series, there are other True Runes who take other forms and voice and act on their own with no input from others).

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Frostmourne
Origin: Warcraft III
Used By: Arthus

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Pros:
- Immense physical attack.
- Deals 'Chaos' damage, making it effective against every type of armour, and in the realms of the story, capable of slaying divine beings.
- Story-wise, Arthus used it to destroy an entire Scourge base by himself, whereas a whole army pretty much failed.

Cons:
- Has a nasty habit of rending the soul of the wielder and chaining them into eternal servitude to the Lich King.


BATTLE 1 BEGIN!
Edited by andaryu, Oct 8 2010, 08:02 PM.
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Both sound like immensely powerful weapons, and they both are kind of similar in terms of controlling the owner in order to wield it's power.

The Soul Eater rune sounds like it would come out on top due to it granting immortality to it's bearer. However, the Frostmourne can slay divine beings. If the Soul Eater rune's "being" would be considered a God of sorts than the Frostmourne could destroy the weapon and the wielder.
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The only comment I can give right now (Since I will be kind of biased, even if it's unintentional), is that the Soul Eater is a ranged magic weapon, while the Frostmourne sword is close-range only, being a blade.
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The only comment I can give right now (Since I will be kind of biased, even if it's unintentional), is that the Soul Eater is a ranged magic weapon, while the Frostmourne sword is close-range only, being a blade.
Feel free to share any comments you have about the match up, the entire point of this contest is to discuss which one you feel would be superior. It doesn't matter if your biased about the contestants or not, we have to come to an agreement before a victor is decided. As long as everyone is rational and understanding everything will work out just fine.

Can you elaborate on any on the immortality power of the Soul Eater? I'd also like to hear Syn talk about the Frostmourne's ability to slay divine beings.
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andaryu
Oct 8 2010, 08:53 PM
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The only comment I can give right now (Since I will be kind of biased, even if it's unintentional), is that the Soul Eater is a ranged magic weapon, while the Frostmourne sword is close-range only, being a blade.
Feel free to share any comments you have about the match up, the entire point of this contest is to discuss which one you feel would be superior. It doesn't matter if your biased about the contestants or not, we have to come to an agreement before a victor is decided. As long as everyone is rational and understanding everything will work out just fine.

Can you elaborate on any on the immortality power of the Soul Eater? I'd also like to hear Syn talk about the Frostmourne's ability to slay divine beings.
Although in the games it's never explained if Immortality is Never Dying from physical wounds or just never aging (Though it is 100% clear that the latter is true, but I'm not sure if the former is also involved), any character with a True Rune (Which includes the SE) never dies from age. One character was badly wounded and apparently would live, but given that they said the character WOULD live, but then the run was taken from him and was healed by the enemy so that he lived, but the game never said whether the Rune actually would have prevented death itself. I assume so because there are other examples throughout the game where people with True Runes are badly wounded (should have died), and survived when it was unknown why by other people. It's a confusing concept. I think it's pure immortality, but I'm not 100% sure. I do know that a different True Rune is the complete opposite (As it slowly kills the user while it is worn), but for the other 26/27, they apparently grant immortality.

Unfortunately as I said, it's not COMPLETELY explained, so I cannot be certain, but as there are all kinds of examples in the games where there are serious wounds and True Rune bearers live, I have to say that it does.

I can also evaluate on it's Gameplay abilities.
The Rune unlocks 4 spells, all insanely powerful.
1) Fingers of Death. Causes instant death to one opponent.
2) Black Shadow. Causes 500+MATK damage to all enemies.
3) Hell. Causes instant death to all opponents.
4) Judgment. Causes 1500+MATK damage to one enemy.

As you can see, it's alternate name is quite fitting.
Note: In some games, those numbers don't see high. I think in the case of this contest, I should evaluate on how high of damage that is. A PC cannot have more than 999. Unless you cheat, you'll never see more than about 600 on a character. Judgment will kill any non-boss monster in the game, no regular enemy will have that kind of health. And of course, FoD and Hell don't work on bosses.

Also, I wouldn't consider the bearer a divine being. Divine beings are classically good, with no bad in them. The owner of the Rune is still human, and can do basically whatever he wants in that range. If he wanted to be an evil dictator, he could. If he wanted to be a Champion against evil, he could. He's still human, just nearly unkillable. You can still knock him out, you can still lock him up, you can still beat the living shit out of him and he will still feel pain. Sometimes immortality is worse than being able to die, eh? In fact, several True Rune bearers in the games are the complete opposite of good. In most Suikoden games, the final boss is actually an incarnation OF a True Rune. So the True Runes don't represent good or evil.
Edited by Polantaris, Oct 8 2010, 11:11 PM.
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This is a tough one. I'm going with Frostmourne though, for reasons andaryu already covered.

I might add some more information soon, but for now, it's bedtime.
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The rune grants its power as long as it is worn/possessed, yes? Then the user of the Rune could keep the rune handy for its immortality effect, and use another weapon of choice...

But seeing as how this is two men naked duking it out atop Icecrown Citadel with only a tattoo and a sword respectively...So rune-man would be forced to run around and cast magic, but being able to take as much shit as he wants due to the immortal part of the rune. Running from the Litch King would be extremely easy, seeing as how an undead man wearing a huge suit of armor in a subzero environment would be slowed significantly(weight of the armor+freezing limbs due to no body temperature)

Now, were the "Litch" King an actual Litch, this would be a moot battle. The traditional Litch is also immortal so long as an item he bound his mortal body to remains intact(a lockbox containing his finger, for example) So, were he a true litch, and Rune-man had no knowledge of how litches worked, this fight would continue forever.


Feel free to correct me.
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I think everything I was gonna say about Frostmourne has pretty much been said.

If Rune-dude can be wounded, then can't he be decapitated? Being immortal would be pretty lame if someone cut your head off and drop-kicked it into an icy abyss. If we're talking Highlander-style immortal, then it'd be game over. If we're not, you'd still be boned without your head.
Edited by Synesthesia, Oct 9 2010, 04:40 AM.
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What Syn said. I can't really add anything.
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The rune seems to be one of those weapons that manipulates the wielder, similar to Frostmourne, so I would think in the case of losing a head and still living that the weapon would take control via magic.
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