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Battle 1: Soul Eater Rune vs. Frostmourne (First Round)
Topic Started: Oct 8 2010, 07:23 PM (2,204 Views)
andaryu
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Battle 1: Soul Eater Rune vs. Frostmourne (First Round)

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The Soul Eater Rune
Origin: Suikoden I

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Also known as the "Rune of Life and Death", this rune represents the two inevitabilities. The Rune bends the fate of those around the bearer and drags them into the clutches of death, essentially eating their souls (as is its namesake), while granting the wearer great power.

Pros:
- Extremely powerful. Has the ability to completely devour the bearer's foes.
- Grants the owner immortality so long as he bares the Rune.

Cons:
- The wearer tends to see those who are beloved to him die, and it consequentially consumes their soul, thus increasing its own power. Basically, the owner is doomed to continue his life alone. In terms of the game's storyline, the soul consumes Tir McDohl's (The true bearer) Father, friend and trusted ally, and Best friend and bodyguard during the game, basically all he's known and loved.
- Only has one true owner, (which it eventually finds). The users of the Rune before it finds the true owner are forced to live miserable lives (Or at least close to...depending on how they live them). Even so, the true owner still has a generally unfavorable life, unable to truly find a place in the world because all they love will be consumed.
- In the manner of the game, it shares the Magic Usage with other runes the character may bare. While this isn't an issue in Suikoden I, it creates an issue in Suikoden II (In which you can equip 3 Runes). All Runes equipped share the same magic abilites, so if you spend all of your Level 1 magic with another Rune, you cannot use the Soul Eater's Level 1 magic.
- Although never voiced within the games, like the other True Runes, it does have a mind of it's own and works on it's own if it needs to. (In the series, there are other True Runes who take other forms and voice and act on their own with no input from others).

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Frostmourne
Origin: Warcraft III
Used By: Arthus

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Pros:
- Immense physical attack.
- Deals 'Chaos' damage, making it effective against every type of armour, and in the realms of the story, capable of slaying divine beings.
- Story-wise, Arthus used it to destroy an entire Scourge base by himself, whereas a whole army pretty much failed.

Cons:
- Has a nasty habit of rending the soul of the wielder and chaining them into eternal servitude to the Lich King.


BATTLE 1 BEGIN!
Edited by andaryu, Oct 8 2010, 08:02 PM.
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Polantaris
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Enrei
Oct 9 2010, 04:08 AM
The rune grants its power as long as it is worn/possessed, yes? Then the user of the Rune could keep the rune handy for its immortality effect, and use another weapon of choice...

But seeing as how this is two men naked duking it out atop Icecrown Citadel with only a tattoo and a sword respectively...So rune-man would be forced to run around and cast magic, but being able to take as much shit as he wants due to the immortal part of the rune. Running from the Litch King would be extremely easy, seeing as how an undead man wearing a huge suit of armor in a subzero environment would be slowed significantly(weight of the armor+freezing limbs due to no body temperature)

Now, were the "Litch" King an actual Litch, this would be a moot battle. The traditional Litch is also immortal so long as an item he bound his mortal body to remains intact(a lockbox containing his finger, for example) So, were he a true litch, and Rune-man had no knowledge of how litches worked, this fight would continue forever.


Feel free to correct me.
The Rune is bound to the bearer and impossible to remove. You can remove normal runes, but the True Runes are bound to the True Bearer, and yes, a phsyical weapon is also used by the bearer, so technically that is also available, but I didn't want to classify an entire person as a weapon.

If you want to play the case of an immortality issue, I would have to say Soul Eater wins. Why? View this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GWtIOKdzZY. Although completely annoying due to the guy speaking, Skip to about 7:25 when the player uses the Hell spell. It eats the enemies, and they are completely gone. It may not even kill the enemies if you think about it, it could just....get rid of them and "Send them to Hell", so to speak. So if it came down to an Immortality issue where they can't kill each other, I would say using that and throwing his opponent into another dimension would count as a win.

I wouldn't have used that example, because it's obviously retardly cheap, but if we were stuck that both are Immortal, that would be what I say would be the outcome.
Edited by Polantaris, Oct 9 2010, 11:21 AM.
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I have no idea how to vote in this one... I'm confused.
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andaryu
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The spells that the Soul Eater Rune grants are extremely powerful and if they were cast on the Frostmourne's wielder than the Soul Eater would take the cake. But if you think about it, it's not all about immortality. The Frostmourne does have the strength to effectively kill the bearer of the Soul Eater Rune.

If the Soul Eater Rune had enough time to cast a spell like Hell than the Frostmourne would fall, but I don't think it would have enough time to cast such a devastating magic instantly. The Frostmourne would have plenty of time to get in there and silence the weapon's owner with one blow.
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andaryu
Oct 9 2010, 07:55 PM
The spells that the Soul Eater Rune grants are extremely powerful and if they were cast on the Frostmourne's wielder than the Soul Eater would take the cake. But if you think about it, it's not all about immortality. The Frostmourne does have the strength to effectively kill the bearer of the Soul Eater Rune.

If the Soul Eater Rune had enough time to cast a spell like Hell than the Frostmourne would fall, but I don't think it would have enough time to cast such a devastating magic instantly. The Frostmourne would have plenty of time to get in there and silence the weapon's owner with one blow.
Well, going by the game itself, the spells actually have no cast time, just reliant on when the character would actually get his turn in the normal combat. For example, some Turn Based RPGs would have it either take several turns to cast a spell, or would guarantee the caster going last, but in Suikoden it's purely based on AGI, AKA basic turn order for every other fight, so I cannot say with certainty that it actually takes a while to cast any of the spells.
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This is getting difficult to tell who would be the victor... According to the rules, a time limit is to be given or both may be dropped if we can't get a clearer picture on how the match up would actually be.
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andaryu
Oct 9 2010, 10:51 PM
This is getting difficult to tell who would be the victor... According to the rules, a time limit is to be given or both may be dropped if we can't get a clearer picture on how the match up would actually be.
Although as I said earlier it kinda makes me look biased, I do have to say Soul Eater on this one simply because of all the Immortality stuff, one would have to be incapable of fighting to be declared a winner, and the SE can easily do that with it's abilities.
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Okay I'm calling a time limit so we can move on. Approximately 12 hours from now if no victor is decided then they will both be dropped or an outside party will have to come in and decided based on the facts and comments.
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Why don't we call a vote? It seems like the most can be said about the Soul Eater, and I don't know anything about the other weapon other than what was provided here, so I cannot say if everything has been said there, but it's not like there's much more we can debate. I say a vote is in order.

We know my vote. (SE)
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Hi, I'm: An Innocent Bystander
FM FTW.
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I don't think a vote will work in this situation. If any more people vote within the next few hours then I will consider it but according to the rules if a victor cannot be named they will both be dropped.
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