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Battle 9: Frostmourne vs. Ragnell (Second Round)
Topic Started: Oct 25 2010, 11:58 AM (2,123 Views)
andaryu
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Battle 9: Frostmourne vs. Ragnell (Second Round)

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Frostmourne
Origin: Warcraft III
Used By: Arthus

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Pros:
- Immense physical attack.
- Deals 'Chaos' damage, making it effective against every type of armour, and in the realms of the story, capable of slaying divine beings.
- Story-wise, Arthus used it to destroy an entire Scourge base by himself, whereas a whole army pretty much failed.

Cons:
- Has a nasty habit of rending the soul of the wielder and chaining them into eternal servitude to the Lich King.

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Ragnell
Origin: Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

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Description: The weapon itself is a large golden sword with a black hilt and handle. It has great power and accuracy, and can hit a target from far away. Ragnell was blessed by the goddess Ashera, making the blade unbreakable.

Pros:
- Immense physical attack and defense
- Is the only sword in existence capable of harming the Black Knight
- Can strike a target from long range
- Is blessed with holy power
- High critical rate
- Is indestructible
- Can seal enemy's weapon critical rate
- Blade can become imbued with fire and also thrown

Cons:
- Not many characters can use it
- Useless without being blessed, even against the Black Knight.
- Slightly slow when using it to attack

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Before we start, let me take a moment to update everyone on a specific rule that could easily be a deciding factor for the victor. The wielders of these weapons are regular, capable people with no outside abilities outside of the weapon itself. The users are simply nobodies, average joe's who can use the weapon perfectly but are limited to only that.

This means the Frostmourne's wielder is not immortal, just as an example. Another rule that has been recently established is no story related abilities are valid here. The weapon only has abilities that the weapon had access to in the game it is from.

Battle 6 BEGIN!
Edited by andaryu, Oct 25 2010, 12:00 PM.
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andaryu
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For this battle, the Ragnell seems to have the advantage over the Frostmourne. The Ragnell has power on the same level as Frostmourne, but the Ragnell has much greater range which could be the deciding factor here.

Close ranged the blades would be matched in power and defense, but long range the Ragnell could continue attacking. From researching the Frostmourne in the past, it seems that it can be destroyed. And since the Ragnell is indestructible if this were to turn into a battle of endurance the Rangell would prevail.
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Hi, I'm: An Innocent Bystander
If we're taking pros and cons into account as we should be, technically, the wielder of Frostmourne has to be an undead, immortal badass. Choosing to wield the sword locks that person into servitude to the Lich King, granting them powers and junk. We can't go round ignoring already accepted pros and cons of a weapon, right?

So, Frostmourne-dude may be ~normal~ before he picks up the sword, but by choosing to do so, becomes an undead badass, as per the "con" of the weapon.
Edited by Synesthesia, Oct 25 2010, 01:41 PM.
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andaryu
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That would be a violation to the rules. This is the same as the Master Sword. The wielder must be the bearer of the Triforce of Courage in order to use it. For the sake of this contest, the wielder has nothing to do with the battles. We can't allow any exceptions, even if that weapon's ability effects a pro or con. For the sake of this contest, anything that effects the wielder is not valid, no matter what the ability may be.

The Psycho Wand got screwed over because of this rule, but like I said in that topic it was turning into a character and weapon contest, rather than just a weapon contest. This rule is absolute and is necessary in order for this tournament to flow normally.
Edited by andaryu, Oct 25 2010, 01:57 PM.
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Kachou on!
Ragnell.
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Polantaris
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Die pig!
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Oct 25 2010, 01:35 PM
If we're taking pros and cons into account as we should be, technically, the wielder of Frostmourne has to be an undead, immortal badass. Choosing to wield the sword locks that person into servitude to the Lich King, granting them powers and junk. We can't go round ignoring already accepted pros and cons of a weapon, right?

So, Frostmourne-dude may be ~normal~ before he picks up the sword, but by choosing to do so, becomes an undead badass, as per the "con" of the weapon.
You should read the con you're referring to before you use it for your point, because the con never says that.
Cons:
- Has a nasty habit of rending the soul of the wielder and chaining them into eternal servitude to the Lich King.

It has the nasty habit of rending the soul of the wielder and CHAINING THEM INTO ETERNAL SERVITUDE TO THE LICH KING. That does NOT say "The wielder instantly becomes an undead, immortal badass." Once the person is killed, they could easily have to serve as a spirit, thus being unable to interact with any physical being, thus losing.
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I think the Ragnell would win for the same reasons andaryu stated.
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