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Topic Started: Nov 11 2011, 03:38 PM (1,002 Views)
andaryu
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Nov 13 2011, 01:10 PM
Yeah but an entire $10 just for a 4GB cart? That's bullshit. There's no way the cartridge costs that much extra. I bet it only costs $2 more than the default cartridges. By this logic Super Smash Bros. Brawl should've cost $60. It's become painfully obvious that Capcom only cares about money, and pretty much everyone who had a passion for making great games is gone now or doesn't have as much of a say in the company as they used to (like Keiji Inafune).
Charging $10 more for a game just because it uses a bigger cart is still bullshit. That's like what if every developer charged more just because a game is multiple discs? They didn't want to spend the extra time compressing or just to make the game fit.

And about MH. The problem is they COULD have made it online. Tri has online on the Wii, which is a system that's known for having crappy online service, and yet it works fine with Tri. The portable MH games were designed to make use of Adhoc Party to play online, even the remaster has ADHP built into the game. The 3DS has no way of doing this.

It's clearly obvious that the people at Capcom are crooks. Whether or not you want to buy into their schemes is entirely up to you as a consumer, but I will never again be tricked into wasting my hard earned money on their half-finished games.
Edited by andaryu, Nov 13 2011, 05:03 PM.
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I guess ignoring the content of the game within the card supports $10 being too much extra for a game. Are console games too much also?

And no, PSP MH titles were not made with Adhoc Party in mind. Again, PSP titles started before Adhoc Party was available even in Japan and have only grown with content until Capcom remade P3rd in, what they call, HD. It's a could; they are not in any way obligated to do that. If you really care for infrastructure online play, play Frontier. All you can ever do is play online. With this logic, not including health values for monsters without hacking the game means Capcom puts little to no effort into their games. Or not adding sharks with lasers means Nintendo doesn't care about Mario.

It seems like this hatred of Capcom is only rising so much because you (general term) dislike their decision on cancelling MML3.
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Just because it uses a lot of space doesn't mean there's a lot of content. It just means there are things that take up a lot of space, such as voice acting and FMVs. Console games are a much higher standard so the higher price is fair, but that's besides the point.

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Yes, we've all seen that picture. You act like Capcom is the only company to make decisions like this.

On disc DLC, DLC announced before the game is out, etc.? Business decision. You do know a company needs to make money, right? I still wouldn't support this, however. My biggest gripe is with DLC being announced before the game is sold.
DR2? Stupidity on their part.
DMC? As if no other games or movies have gone through this?
No plans to localize a game? When is this NOT common?
DRM with FF? Stupidity on their part. I believe the only problem with this though is that there was absolutely no warning about it before purchasing. If it was in the ToU, it isn't a problem; players would have agreed to it.
Mega Man and Strider not in MvC3? Lol?
MMU? I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did, but I digress. When aren't games cancelled? Not telling us why is the only problem, though I'm not sure if that's changed in the past few months since I've seen this picture.
RE: Mercs saves? It's a decent way to encourage people to buy new copies of the game only, but I still find it silly. Again, business decision.

If I skipped something, it's because it's related to something else I answered. And I'll probably hate myself for taking that thing seriously considering it was a joke I used to find funny myself.

>Just because it uses a lot of space doesn't mean there's a lot of content. It just means there are things that take up a lot of space, such as voice acting and FMVs.

So you admit it's a higher quality game. And unless you work for Capcom, you can't at all say it doesn't make use of most/all the space. I know the same goes for me, but they've claimed otherwise and that's all we have to go with. It still doesn't match the price of current console/PC games, so it doesn't need to meet those standards. Revelations already looks better than a lot of PS2 games I've played and this is on a handheld. Guess what their average price was before these new generations.
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Nov 13 2011, 08:22 PM
It seems like this hatred of Capcom is only rising so much because you (general term) dislike their decision on cancelling MML3.
Not really. I wasn't that upset about the cancellation, I was more upset with how they treated Inafune before and after he left Capcom and just how they do business these days. I'm not going to spend huge amounts of money for the same game several times until they get it right, they can just make it right the first time.

If you follow the industry closely, you'll see that Capcom makes decisions a lot differently than other companies. They constantly release pointless DLC and the PSN is filled with Capcom filler crap that's just put on there to make some money. It took them literally no effort at all, they just want to cash in on things they've made in the past with almost no effort.

Look at Resident Evil 4 HD. It's not HD, they just slapped the name on it. The game isn't even in 1080, it's just a copy and paste port. Yet Capcom is charging $20, which is absurdly high. Polan knows what I'm talking about, he said the exact same things about the MH remaster.

The bottom line is people are starting to notice. While other companies are delivering new, original content that's worth our money, Capcom sticks to rehashing the same thing as much as possible and simply expects us to take it. It's not "Oh this specific character isn't in the game", that's something I can live with. It's about getting what we pay for and to stop stealing money from your own consumers. That's something I can't live with.
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Nov 13 2011, 01:10 PM
It's become painfully obvious that Capcom only cares about money, and pretty much everyone who had a passion for making great games is gone now or doesn't have as much of a say in the company as they used to (like Keiji Inafune).
Pro-tip: every company ever only cares about money.

If making great, super-awesome games is a great way to make money, then everyone's a winner.
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Pretty much what andaryu said.

"Everyone else does drugs so it must be ok to do them too" basically sums up your entire post. And RE really isn't much higher than the other 3DS games. Looks better than than most PS2 games? So does pretty much every other 3DS game.

Pro-tip: every company ever only cares about money.

No, they don't. A lot of developers have a passion for making video games and don't just care about the money. Why do you think they chose to be one? It's not exactly the highest paying career.
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Nov 13 2011, 09:16 PM
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Nov 13 2011, 01:10 PM
It's become painfully obvious that Capcom only cares about money, and pretty much everyone who had a passion for making great games is gone now or doesn't have as much of a say in the company as they used to (like Keiji Inafune).
Pro-tip: every company ever only cares about money.

If making great, super-awesome games is a great way to make money, then everyone's a winner.
I strongly disagree with this statement. I know for sure that not EVERY company only cares about money. Nintendo definitely puts their consumers first, way before profits are factored in. Certain teams within Sony (Like Team Ico) most certainly care about the games they make over the money, in fact, it has nothing to do with the money for them. I've seen plenty of interviews to tell you that they are passionate about the games they make, and they even planned for the games to bomb. It's about making a masterpiece that lives on forever and having people respect you for it.
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Did you play any of the Mega Man games after the first in each series? And if it's a problem, stop buying the games. Simple. I don't see how attacks on a company will help.

Are you implying I don't follow the industry? What's pointless to you might not be pointless to others. Yes, they put games on there to make money. They. Are. A. Company. The only time this shouldn't be expected is when a company first starts off; working at a loss in the beginning is normal. And I'm not sure if you're following the industry nor the communities that play their games, but some people like to be able to re-purchase a game from the past to play on current consoles without spending an arm and a leg because they're "rare" or whatever reason people want to make up for selling PSX games (as an example) for $700.

I know all about their HD remakes. I agree that they're pointless, unnecessary, etc. The first time I saw MHP3rd in HD with its first trailer, I questioned whether it was the PSP or PS3 game. Then I saw the comparisons and realized the change was very minimal; maybe they were still working on it and it wasn't the final build. Then I saw the game played live long after it was released and laughed.

And that's your dislike of Capcom speaking; I believe my second post already refuted this. What's not worth YOUR money doesn't apply to everyone else. They aren't stealing your money if you willingly buy their games. You get exactly what you paid for; a game with content you either researched or didn't.

And just to add, don't get me wrong. I know Capcom has made plenty of mistakes. I know many companies have made plenty of mistakes. I'm not trying to be the white knight as I only find Capcom to be mediocre (as successful as they actually are) when it comes to decisions that match my wants. I'm trying to further understand your opinions because really... it doesn't make complete sense. I understand not liking the company, but not liking it for problems listed that don't exist?

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Forgot to add, aren't you all eagerly waiting for a Majora's Mask remake? That isn't original either.

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>"Everyone else does drugs so it must be ok to do them too"

I suggest you re-read my post. That logic isn't at all relevant. I don't see you attacking the movie or other gaming industries for doing this.
Edited by Phanir, Nov 13 2011, 09:35 PM.
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Nov 13 2011, 09:31 PM
Did you play any of the Mega Man games after the first in each series? And if it's a problem, stop buying the games. Simple. I don't see how attacks on a company will help.

Are you implying I don't follow the industry? What's pointless to you might not be pointless to others. Yes, they put games on there to make money. They. Are. A. Company. The only time this shouldn't be expected is when a company first starts off; working at a loss in the beginning is normal. And I'm not sure if you're following the industry nor the communities that play their games, but some people like to be able to re-purchase a game from the past to play on current consoles without spending an arm and a leg because they're "rare" or whatever reason people want to make up for selling PSX games (as an example) for $700.

I know all about their HD remakes. I agree that they're pointless, unnecessary, etc. The first time I saw MHP3rd in HD with its first trailer, I questioned whether it was the PSP or PS3 game. Then I saw the comparisons and realized the change was very minimal; maybe they were still working on it and it wasn't the final build. Then I saw the game played live long after it was released and laughed.

And that's your dislike of Capcom speaking; I believe my second post already refuted this. What's not worth YOUR money doesn't apply to everyone else. They aren't stealing your money if you willingly buy their games. You get exactly what you paid for; a game with content you either researched or didn't.

And just to add, don't get me wrong. I know Capcom has made plenty of mistakes. I know many companies have made plenty of mistakes. I'm not trying to be the white knight as I only find Capcom to be mediocre (as successful as they actually are) when it comes to decisions that match my wants. I'm trying to further understand your opinions because really... it doesn't make complete sense. I understand not liking the company, but not liking it for problems listed that don't exist?

Edit:
Forgot to add, aren't you all eagerly waiting for a Majora's Mask remake? That isn't original either.

Edit 2:
>"Everyone else does drugs so it must be ok to do them too"

I suggest you re-read my post. That logic isn't at all relevant. I don't see you attacking the movie or other gaming industries for doing this.
We just have different ways of thinking, I guess. From a business stand point, just because they are a company doesn't mean they can do whatever they want.

I don't really understand what you mean by Mega Man but it doesn't really matter. Capcom used to be one of my favorite companies, it's just how they do business now that bothers me.

I'm all for remakes. I love nostalgia, as long as the quality is good and the price is worth it.

let's just agree to disagree, because not everyone in the world has to share the same opinions. All I said originally was that "I" will not buy into Capcom's tricks anymore. I don't expect everyone else to agree with me, but it's as clear as day to me that they no longer care about the fans as they claim.
Edited by andaryu, Nov 13 2011, 09:41 PM.
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