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the scenes 2gether - Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Next View previous topic :: View next topic Late Starter Posted: 17 Feb 2006 02:48 pm the scenes 2gether ok i was just wonderin what is everyones very scenes of N & H together. Apart from the obvious i like it when they r n the art room after their talk i think is so adoreable when they rub their noses together. The Number one Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 5227 Location: Locked In Helen's Bedroom groovygirl Posted: 17 Feb 2006 04:49 pm That is also one of my favorite scenes of Nikki and Helen. The nose rubbing is just so tender and sensual, it gets to me everytime. Shared Cell Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 101 Late Starter Posted: 17 Feb 2006 05:18 pm yea me 2 its jus so sweet i like the little smiles they give jus after its done jus b4 they kiss The Number one Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 5227 Location: Locked In Helen's Bedroom mandanamad Posted: 17 Feb 2006 05:29 pm the best 1 i like that 1 2 but the best 1 4 me i have 2 say is the flat sequence wen nikki escapes and goes 2 see helen and they end up doing what i call "rudies" shaggin' basicly. but i prefear the deleted scene more then the edited 1 thats on the series 2 dvd basicly bcoz the deleted 1 shows more and shows how much they want eachother where as the edited version doesn't. G 2 rank Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 152 Location: middlesbrough _________________ did sir lancealot say 2 gwinaver "err hey up sweetheart how do u want these dragons shiftin'" Xenclair Posted: 17 Feb 2006 05:30 pm I love the art room scene best too. Question: Nikki is trying to unbutton her blouse and she stop her? Then Nikki said something, what does she say? Love all the scenes with the two of them in them. Claire Don't you wish it was electric Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 423 Location: USA Late Starter Posted: 17 Feb 2006 05:34 pm helen tells her they need 2 talk nikki replies with classic line 'talkin is what we do afterwards' The Number one Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 5227 Location: Locked In Helen's Bedroom Xenclair Posted: 17 Feb 2006 05:37 pm No not Helen saying 'we have to talk', Nikki says something like, "Let me go then" She is trying to undo her blouse,no? Don't you wish it was electric Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 423 Location: USA abzug Posted: 17 Feb 2006 05:42 pm Xenclair wrote: No not Helen saying 'we have to talk', Nikki says something like, "Let me go then" She is trying to undo her blouse,no? She says: "What, have you gone off me, then?" The suggestion is that, since Helen doesn't want to shag her standing in the art room, that Helen isn't interested anymore. Which of course is absurd, but typical of Nikki during this period. She's always throwing out these depressive, low self-esteem comments about Helen losing interest. The other notable example is when Helen visits (one of my top 3 Helen-Nikki scenes, to get back to the original subject of the thread) when Nikki says something like "Until you get bored of coming, like Trish did." The Garden Assistant Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 667 Location: NYC Late Starter Posted: 17 Feb 2006 05:43 pm i dont no i cant remember oh no it looks like im gonna have 2 do some research well any excuse 2 watch them again The Number one Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 5227 Location: Locked In Helen's Bedroom Xenclair Posted: 17 Feb 2006 05:49 pm Thanks ABZUG. Don't you wish it was electric Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 423 Location: USA Late Starter Posted: 17 Feb 2006 05:53 pm thenku abzug, altough i is still gonna watch jus 4 the sake of it dont like ill ever get bored of watchin the first 3 series The Number one Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 5227 Location: Locked In Helen's Bedroom ekny Posted: 17 Feb 2006 07:05 pm abzug wrote: She's always throwing out these depressive, low self-esteem comments about Helen losing interest. The other notable example is when Helen visits (one of my top 3 Helen-Nikki scenes, to get back to the original subject of the thread) when Nikki says something like "Until you get bored of coming, like Trish did." Depressive & low-self-esteem aren't terms we usually use about Nikki. Nikki's angry & proud, right? I understand that anger can present as the flip side of depression, but I'd suggest you could trace those kinds of comments back further, and, as risk of getting charco-broiled... they're transparently manipulative. But I don't read the 'have you gone off me' thing in that way... the exchange is: N: It's alright, we're safe here, don't worry. H: Nikki, it's not that N: What is it, you gone off me then? H: Nikki, sit down, I need to talk to you-- N: Talking's what you do after. H: Please. N: Okay. And Nikki's tone throughout is affectionate, low-key, not alarmed or angry. Nikki doesn't get prickly until/unless she feels threatened or as if she can't fight/make claim for what she wants (usually Helen). The 'bored of coming' remark reads to me as Nikki asking for reassurance in a scene where she can't get it physically. It's more than a bit ridiculous, as (we've discussed) H's put herself in a risky position to be there at all, to say the least. But Nikki's always pushing for more. Personally I find it infuriating, but realize my mileage varies from many others: pushing for more also reads like she's never satisfied with what they've got. Oh, I get it, she wants Everything for both of them, and she's right to--but bullying & demanding it from a woman who's got all she can handle just getting her head around her entire life having changed doesn't strike me as a very effective way to go about getting it. As we've also discussed, I have plenty of compassion for Nikki-the-caged-animal, Nikki in Confinement, and in this case, Nikki Wanting Reassurance. This isn't the most problematic of her deliveries, by far. I'd also say the transparency of what she's trying to do is the thing that mitigates against it: this is pretty much also Little Kid Nikki. But to me, comments like, 'Right, you obviously care more about your bloody career than you do about me' are pretty hard to call anything but manipulative. The fact that they're obvious doesn't make the tone in which she delivers them any more acceptable. & let's not dwell on the Dominic business, it's too painful. --yrs in hastily-donned asbestos, e. The Garden Assistant Joined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 600 Location: ny abzug Posted: 17 Feb 2006 07:35 pm ekny wrote: I'd suggest you could trace those kinds of comments back further, and, as risk of getting charco-broiled... they're transparently manipulative. [snip] The 'bored of coming' remark reads to me as Nikki asking for reassurance in a scene where she can't get it physically. I actually agree with you wholeheartedly. What I find so interesting is Helen's response in the visiting room, because she doesn't fall victim to the manipulation and make lifelong promises. Instead, she draws Nikki back to the present, helping Nikki focus on Helen's feelings for her here and now, saying (quoted from memory, so may not be accurate) "Well, I'm here now." Its this kind of loving and understanding exchange that has always made me believe in the strength and longevity of Helen and Nikki's relationship. Quote: But to me, comments like, 'Right, you obviously care more about your bloody career than you do about me' are pretty hard to call anything but manipulative. The fact that they're obvious doesn't make the tone in which she delivers them any more acceptable. No, definitely not. But poor Nikki doesn't have any other tools to use to try to get Helen to be with her. I don't think being manipulative is her "natural" way of being, so I can forgive her for it, given that she's locked in prison and has no autonomy or control. These manipulative moments are few and far between relative to her more direct actions/communications. Quote: & let's not dwell on the Dominic business, it's too painful. At the risk of dwelling, Nikki isn't manipulative around the whole Dominic thing. She's just a cruel a#%hole. (I love her, I do, so don't flame me for saying this!) The Garden Assistant Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 667 Location: NYC ekny Posted: 17 Feb 2006 08:38 pm Am responding to your post w/your first para last so we can end on a slightly less tortured scene than s2ep12. Unorthodox but I just couldn't wind it up there. -------- abzug wrote: Quote: The fact that they're obvious doesn't make the tone in which she delivers them any more acceptable. No, definitely not. But poor Nikki doesn't have any other tools to use to try to get Helen to be with her. I don't think being manipulative is her "natural" way of being, so I can forgive her for it, given that she's locked in prison and has no autonomy or control. These manipulative moments are few and far between relative to her more direct actions/communications. I agree; personally I just find them more offputting than you: I don't think Nikki-who-should-know-better, I think: Nikki-who-does-know-better. I understand them, I forgive almost all of them, but they pretty much motivate every major crisis between the couple, save perhaps the riot. Am not even saying Nikki's 'always' 'wrong' to push Helen: you could make a very strong case that w/o that behavior on N's part, at some of the early stages H would've just dug her heels in & that'd've been that. But as we've talked abt, Nikki's impulse-driven behavior combined w/her moral compass *combined* with her imprisonment have only served to heighten this already-existing characteristic: she evaluates a situation very quickly, makes a judgment, sticks to it. Often she's right. When she's wrong, it's usually a disaster, & getting anyone so bullheaded to see that... ain't easy. She's a very pure character, but that makes her far more black & white than anyone else in the show. Of the goodies, anyhow. And, in some ways, less complex. abzug wrote: Quote: & let's not dwell on the Dominic business, it's too painful. At the risk of dwelling, Nikki isn't manipulative around the whole Dominic thing. She's just a cruel a#%hole. (I love her, I do, so don't flame me for saying this!) Me? Please. I don't even think it's that she's cruel (although we can all pick & choose which adjective best characterizes her behavior): to me it's just unbearably ugly: her words are almost secondary to her expressions, her venom. Oh, shudder, no more. I go get some mineral water or somefink now. abzug wrote: I actually agree with you wholeheartedly. What I find so interesting is Helen's response in the visiting room, because she doesn't fall victim to the manipulation and make lifelong promises. Instead, she draws Nikki back to the present, helping Nikki focus on Helen's feelings for her here and now, saying (quoted from memory, so may not be accurate) "Well, I'm here now." Its this kind of loving and understanding exchange that has always made me believe in the strength and longevity of Helen and Nikki's relationship. Exactly. When they're off, of course they're like any other couple, no one can hear the other for the internal noise, fear, preoccupations, etc. But when they're on, they can read each other beautifully & anticipate where the other's going, steer things to a place that meets both their needs--and take turns doing it. It's not always the case, perhaps, that strengths & weaknesses are so complementary (and conflated). It gives them their shared achilles' heel (they've both got tempers, they've both got principles, etc etc.) but also their amazing reciprocity. Thus, to come back to a thread that's morphed a bit into Lines of Helen's We Love to Hear, there's very little more pleasurable to me than the beat between the two that brings us to: 'Well that's it, settled.' Last edited by ekny on 19 Feb 2006 06:00 pm; edited 1 time in total The Garden Assistant Joined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 600 Location: ny Xenclair Posted: 18 Feb 2006 05:00 pm Wow all I asked was 'what did she say' *BG* Still can't make that out, she says that. I can't believe she wants to shag in the art room. *LOL* what a nutter. There was another thread on this but, I think they did more snogging that we didn't see, maybe in the potting shed. *BG* They cut out with them kissing in the art room so that went on a little more, aye? Claire Don't you wish it was electric Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 423 Location: USA |
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Evangelist Posted: 19 Feb 2006 11:53 am ekny wrote: But Nikki's always pushing for more. Personally I find it infuriating, but realize my mileage varies from many others: pushing for more also reads like she's never satisfied with what they've got. Oh, I get it, she wants Everything for both of them, and she's right to--but bullying & demanding it from a woman who's got all she can handle just getting her head around her entire life having changed doesn't strike me as a very effective way to go about getting it. <snip> But to me, comments like, 'Right, you obviously care more about your bloody career than you do about me' are pretty hard to call anything but manipulative. The fact that they're obvious doesn't make the tone in which she delivers them any more acceptable. Now that I've just finished watching all three seasons....I have to admit that there are sometimes that Nikki just annoys the hell out of me. It does seem like she has little thought for Helen as someone who's making a radical shift in her personal life, on top of having/try to have a relationship with someone who she's got a huge power imbalance with. I have a hard time trying to wrap my head around Nikki's interactions with Helen in S3...from E10 through the riots. It's almost as Nikki sees Helen's promotion to Grade 1 as a personal affront. And how stroppy she is when she arrives in Helen's office....not knowing that she's about to be given great news. I just don't understand how Nikki can be so "unexcited" - for lack of a better word - in her reaction to Claire's news that her case will be brought before the Appeals court. I would think that all of the things that Helen has been doing to help get her case heard....as well as the replacement copy of "Sophie's World" with the inscription "Until we meet on the outside" would be enough to show Nikki that Helen is really serious about getting her out of there...so they can have a future. God, I'm just so glad I didn't have to suffer through watching S3 one week at a time....I might have been shipped off to the Muppet Wing! G 2 rank Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 156 Location: San Francisco mjnet Posted: 19 Feb 2006 12:23 pm Xenclair wrote: Wow all I asked was 'what did she say' *BG* Still can't make that out, she says that. I can't believe she wants to shag in the art room. *LOL* what a nutter. There was another thread on this but, I think they did more snogging that we didn't see, maybe in the potting shed. *BG* They cut out with them kissing in the art room so that went on a little more, aye? Claire Very possible!! In Mandana Land Joined: 31 May 2005 Posts: 462 Location: Directors Box at Aston Villa!! _________________ "A lot of our misery comes from having to achieve and need things, whereas there is a lot to be said for valuing what you do have" COOLUK1 Posted: 19 Feb 2006 03:17 pm Hi ..I hope I'm not lowering the tone here ...but years ago there was a NZ poster called 'campgrrls'[ She was a mature uni student writing a thesis on Xena Warrior Princess] and was very analytical in her posting about BG. She always maintained that the last scene in the art room ~ where N&H are sitting sweetly side by side was definitely an 'after the event' moment...lol G3 landing Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 344 Location: SW London Late Starter Posted: 19 Feb 2006 03:51 pm ur def not lowerin the tone it could of bn said a completely different way i must say i never thought about it the way, but thinkin about the tenderness of the moment can be seen 2 b the after the moment thing so nikki couldnt keep her hormones under control after all, as it has been said by the gorgeous scott herself 'me & helen r good with handcuffs' do u think helen hid them n her bag ok i think i actually lowered the tone The Number one Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 5227 Location: Locked In Helen's Bedroom mandanamad Posted: 19 Feb 2006 05:23 pm wen she said that hi wen simone said "and we r both good with handcuffs" i thought 2 myself mmmm i bet u r . G 2 rank Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 152 Location: middlesbrough _________________ did sir lancealot say 2 gwinaver "err hey up sweetheart how do u want these dragons shiftin'" Xenclair Posted: 19 Feb 2006 05:47 pm She always maintained that the last scene in the art room ~ where N&H are sitting sweetly side by side was definitely an 'after the event' moment...lol COOL , I like that view, makes sense, they were hot and heavy minutes before. Claire Don't you wish it was electric Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 423 Location: USA ekny Posted: 19 Feb 2006 06:22 pm Evangelist wrote: Now that I've just finished watching all three seasons....I have to admit that there are sometimes that Nikki just annoys the hell out of me. It does seem like she has little thought for Helen as someone who's making a radical shift in her personal life, on top of having/try to have a relationship with someone who she's got a huge power imbalance with. Hi Evangelist, thanks for your thoughts! There's no question I would've liked to see N be a bit more aware of what H's going through & more supportive. I think we're meant to interpret that, basically, as Nikki-backstory: anyone who's been on the scene as long as Nikki will have dated straight women & come to a fairly typical lesbian conclusion, which is that they're usually more trouble than they're worth. But given the intensity of their connection, seems to me she should've honored her own feelings as well as Helen's more, and better than, she did in this one way. The only way I can get past my distaste for her outbursts is to always remind myself she's the one behind bars, she's the one with all this incredible pressure on her to adapt to a way of life that's fundamentally unlivable, and it's a measure of how large her feelings for Helen are, not how small, that her responses are often so extreme. Evangelist wrote: I have a hard time trying to wrap my head around Nikki's interactions with Helen in S3...from E10 through the riots. It's almost as Nikki sees Helen's promotion to Grade 1 as a personal affront. It's not exactly Optimal Supportive Partner Response 101, is it. Helen's good humor about that is generous, to say the least. (I also think it's a place where, underneath the personal responses, the scriptwriters are giving us another heads-up about the problems H's going to face with this new promotion: in that way, of course, Nikki is partly right--although H doesn't get knocked off the top of the ladder because she's at the top, but for other reasons.) Evangelist wrote: And how stroppy she is when she arrives in Helen's office....not knowing that she's about to be given great news. I just don't understand how Nikki can be so "unexcited" - for lack of a better word - in her reaction to Claire's news that her case will be brought before the Appeals court. I didn't have trouble with that. Nikki shuts down on all fronts when she's shut down on one: having to maintain some equilibrium around having any hopes at all for a future with Helen means she's reverted to extreme caution/wait-and-see around the appeal. This is not a woman who can stand many more disappointments about her life & the directions it's not going in, at that point. Evangelist wrote: I would think that all of the things that Helen has been doing to help get her case heard....as well as the replacement copy of "Sophie's World" with the inscription "Until we meet on the outside" would be enough to show Nikki that Helen is really serious about getting her out of there...so they can have a future. But, yes--agreed. Part of that's to do with being unable to connect with Helen. It's the most difficult thing about S3 vis-a-vis H/N, the fact that H's cut off all physical contact; it makes every scene awkward and edgy. Without that 'proof', Nikki, try as she might, just isn't about to entirely trust Helen, they're walking a very thin tightrope even before the riot, & then of course everything went to straight to hell. Evangelist wrote: God, I'm just so glad I didn't have to suffer through watching S3 one week at a time....I might have been shipped off to the Muppet Wing! When I finally got S3 I limited myself to just 1 ep a night. It was excruciating, but I kept in mind the brave women who'd Gone Before, enduring 8-month waits between seasons & then 1-week waits between episodes. Besides, I wanted to put off the end as long as possible, I knew whatever happened, the two were off the show after S3. Even then, it was rough--but I also wanted time to digest each episode. All in favor of delayed gratification, say aye.... Cheers, e The Garden Assistant Joined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 600 Location: ny Late Starter Posted: 20 Feb 2006 03:45 pm even thou it makes me cry i like the scene where helen finishes it with nikki s3 ep1 the actin on both there parts r amazin it gets me everytime, The Number one Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 5227 Location: Locked In Helen's Bedroom groovygirl Posted: 20 Feb 2006 08:30 pm Quote: All in favor of delayed gratification, say aye.... ummm...not aye---to quote Helen, you are talking absolute crap!!! There's absolutely no way I could have watched only one episode per night. I got season 3 the day after I got 2, and I practically locked myself up in my room for the next two days!! You obviously have much more self-control than I do!! Shared Cell Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 101 ekny Posted: 20 Feb 2006 08:35 pm groovygirl wrote: Quote: All in favor of delayed gratification, say aye.... ummm...not aye---to quote Helen, you are talking absolute crap!!! :lol: :lol: There's absolutely no way I could have watched only one episode per night. I got season 3 the day after I got 2, and I practically locked myself up in my room for the next two days!! You obviously have much more self-control than I do!! :-) Never said I wasn't a mite eccentric. The Garden AssistantJoined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 600 Location: ny wordsmith Posted: 20 Feb 2006 09:03 pm God knows I tried to limit myself to one episode a night. I too hated the thought of reaching the end of the helen/nikki story line and wanted to make it last long as possible. All too often tho I found myself surrendering to my total Simone crush, and I just had to have more. Now i try to savor the nuance of all of their scenes over the course of the 3 series. And no matter how often I watch, it seems invariably I notice something I missed before. Basic Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 51 GeauxGurl Posted: 21 Feb 2006 01:38 am Wow!! It always seems to amaze me what I "pick up" from abzug, ekny, and Evangelist!!! I quite think that I could love the 3 of ya!! Y'all always make me "think" ~~ and I like that. I know that this is just a show, and when you think that the characters have been given the lines to say, ya still make me "think" about maybe what the actors are attempting to convey "between" it all. Sometimes, I think that if the writers would allow a little more freedom to the actors, they might give a little more insight into what is going on. (Like the very last scene of N&H. Didn't they pretty much do that themselves??) Sometimes they (the actors) understand their characters more ~~~ Thanks girls!!! Could read your thoughts all day ~~~ GG Don't you wish it was electric Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 475 Location: Louisiana ~ USA _________________ "shut up and kiss me ~~~" abzug Posted: 21 Feb 2006 03:45 am Thanks GG! I know I get a lot out of the insights of everyone on this board--I've learned so much more about these characters and this show. Quote: (Like the very last scene of N&H. Didn't they pretty much do that themselves??) I've heard this rumor before, but I am pretty certain its not true. One of those academic articles we were discussing in the BBC Women's Hour thread talked specifically about how hard the authors worked to come up with just the right dialogue for that final scene. I understand the scene was discussed exhaustively, so perhaps they brainstormed with Simone and Mandana, but I just can't imagine that they actually left it up to the actors to make it up. The scene was just far too important. The Garden Assistant Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 667 Location: NYC ekny Posted: 21 Feb 2006 04:31 am Hiya GeauxGurl, Thanks, that was really nice of you! Without all of us here & talking our brains out I don't think it'd be much fun, or half as interesting. And god knows how else I'd ever be able to figure out juicy tidbits like what Simone was saying during her Jean Brodie outtake. (Also, being a Yank, I still have to look up stuff like who-the-hell-was-Lord-Lucan [not that it's all that important--still, every little bit adds extra texture to the painting.]) I have to second Abzug on her comments about the final scene: the article made very clear in interviews with Shed that they knew exactly how crucial the last H/N scene was going to be--I believe what they said was they 'agonized' over the writing of it. My feeling is maybe they left some of the precise wording of the small talk leading up to it to Simone & Mandana, but... not those final lines. Cheers, e The Garden Assistant Joined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 600 Location: ny Evangelist Posted: 21 Feb 2006 04:47 am Hey GeauxGirl! Thanks....I have to agree with ekny that half of the fun is being able to dissect, chew over, and digest every little bit of the show. I don't have any local friends who are watching the show....so it's wonderful to be able to find such a smart and funny group of women to share the experience with. I'm especially enjoying all the insights from those who saw BG years ago....when it was the current big thing on TV. I've actually managed to keep my DVD watching to a couple of episodes at a time...and I've only just finished viewing the entire 3 seasons. I'm sure I'll watch it several more times through....because it's such a great show. G 2 rank Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 156 Location: San Francisco |
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Late Starter Posted: 21 Feb 2006 05:09 am ive just seen another fab scene between them, s3 e3 'the chains of freedom' its when helen asks nikki 2 b 'prefect' and helen tells her fenner was gettin off again helen words r 'im afraid i counldnt possibily comment' its the little cute smiles they give each other then that i like very sweet. The Number one Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 5227 Location: Locked In Helen's Bedroom _________________ "Who has 2 keep their hormones under control!!!" abzug Posted: 21 Feb 2006 05:50 pm I realized that although I posted a few times in this thread, I never actually mentioned my favorite Helen-Nikki scene. Which is: the confrontation in Helen's office in S1E5 after Nikki has attacked Shell, and Helen decides to let her off with a warning. The scene is so rich in emotions and power struggles, and you can see Nikki begin to fall for Helen throughout the scene. There are moments when she realizes that Helen understands her so intimately: "Cut the macho crap!" and "You get sent down to solitary and come back more twisted than before" (or something like that, I'm paraphrasing). If you watch Nikki's reaction to these two moments, you can actually see her changing, deep in her soul. She's being treated like a human being for the first time since she got to Larkhall. Then, of course, there's Helen's little grin after Nikki leaves her office, because she knows she's got Nikki on her side now. Little does she know what she's in for! The Garden Assistant Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 667 Location: NYC wordsmith Posted: 21 Feb 2006 10:49 pm Wanted to get some opinions here about the love scene in "oh what a night". After seeing the deleted scene in the extras, I wonder why they chose to air the abbreviated version. I would think that after all of the build up, and the knowing that the audience was invested in this love affair, why show such a toned down version??? I mean, it was nice and all, but certaintly didnt begin to express the desire these two women had for each other. Any ideas???? Basic Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 51 mandanamad Posted: 22 Feb 2006 12:04 pm i totally agree 100% i had written summit simelar sumwhere on this thread and i totally agree G 2 rank Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 152 Location: middlesbrough _________________ did sir lancealot say 2 gwinaver "err hey up sweetheart how do u want these dragons shiftin'" COOLUK1 Posted: 22 Feb 2006 01:29 pm I think technically the shown scene is better, the lighting etc than the longer alternative scene. The same appiles to the 'Shit Happens 'deleted scene..the one filmed from further away doesn't imo have the impact that the shown version has with their faces full screen. Also as we have heard before quite a few scenes were shortened or cut altogether because of time constraints COOL G3 landing Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 344 Location: SW London notsuchabadgirl Posted: 22 Feb 2006 02:12 pm i thought the deleted scene was brilliant and would have gladly bought series 2 for that on its own! the shown scene may have been technically better, but i dont think it came anywhere near to capturing the passion of the deleted one. In love with a prisoner Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 3121 Location: Midlands mandanamad Posted: 22 Feb 2006 03:54 pm u go girl yes i agree 100% G 2 rank Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 152 Location: middlesbrough _________________ did sir lancealot say 2 gwinaver "err hey up sweetheart how do u want these dragons shiftin'" wordsmith Posted: 22 Feb 2006 11:04 pm to me, the scene that was shown just seemed to short-change the characters. all that buildup and tension and nikki's heroic efforts to escape combined with helen's final surrendering to her feelings should have added up to fireworks. it certainly deserved a scene that lasted longer than 20 seconds. just my opinion. Basic Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 51 notsuchabadgirl Posted: 22 Feb 2006 11:10 pm yes a truly lovely scene but so not long enough was it really only 20 seconds In love with a prisoner Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 3121 Location: Midlands Evangelist Posted: 22 Feb 2006 11:47 pm Well....count me in as a one who actually thought that both scenes were better as shown. *ducking the flying bricks* Technically as well as editing wise I thought they conveyed the intensity of their relationship well. Both Simone and Mandana are wonderfully talented in their ability to show emotions with just their eyes or facial expressions....and I think that's what they were trying to convey more than the snogging bits. As much as the shallow part of me would have loved to see more of the physical contact (I do like the deleted scenes)....I like the final edits better. That's why I love the scene in the Art Room when Helen takes Nikki by the chin and says "if I didn't feel the way I feel, I wouldn't be talking like this." Helen's huge grin and the glint in her eyes really says to me that she's head-over-heels in love with Nikki...but struggling as to what it means. She's over her head in unknown territory and I think it's a place that Helen has never been before. G 2 rank Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 156 Location: San Francisco ekny Posted: 23 Feb 2006 12:04 am wordsmith wrote: it certainly deserved a scene that lasted longer than 20 seconds. just my opinion. the deleted scene from the point they move to the couch is 13 seconds. The Garden Assistant Joined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 600 Location: ny wordsmith Posted: 23 Feb 2006 01:05 am it's not that i wanted more snogging bits... i just wanted more from their initial coming together, given all that it took to get to that point. i just feel like the intensity between them wasnt fully expressed in the scene that eventually aired. but hey, its all good. Basic Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 51 GeauxGurl Posted: 23 Feb 2006 01:31 am My favorite scenes are the obvious ones, of course, but I've been thinking of another scene that hasn't been mentioned. I liked the scene in S.2 when Nikki has been put down on the block for hitting Dom. and she accuses Helen for acting the way she is because she can't handle the attracton she feels toward Nikki. And then when Nikki tells her that she wants to make love to her all night long!!!! Helen's face!!! Brilliant!!! 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| MJNet | May 28 2006, 12:04 AM Post #4 |
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Toni~girl Posted: 05 Mar 2006 08:15 pm I just wanted to put in a little bit about Nikki's attitude...I know you all were talking about it a bit earlier in this thread. Let's not forget the utter crap that this woman has had to put up with in her life. I think I would be a bit apprehensive and harsh myself. It is the whole getting your fingers burned analogy. She is in prison because she loved someone so much to kill for them. That same someone dumps her for someone else while she is doing time as a direct result of how much she loves this person. Her family has turned their backs on her because of who she loves. Now she's got a new love and lord knows she could've tried a relationship that wouldn't have been quite so hard but again for love she'll do what she needs to do even if it means having her heart ripped out again (back to the fingers burned thing). Who can blame her for being a bit defensive and bitter? I certainly can't. Helen can't either I don't think. She knows every time she calls it off it tears Nikki's heart a little more but she is dealing with her own issues. But I think a true understanding of each other grows as the show progresses. I dunno, I know I have felt the same way that Nikki does a lot of times in my life. I just did not react the way she does, but then again, I'm not a prisoner because of love. Okay, I will stop babbling. In love with a prisoner Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: In Nikki's closet! _________________ GeauxGurl Posted: 05 Mar 2006 09:54 pm Xenclair wrote: I like Helen's reaction to Karen telling her Nikki is rudely asking for her. Love it. Claire Oh yes ~~ loved that one, too!!! Simone's facial expressions are just wonderful!! I also like the library "sign posts" scene and the way Helen says "I WILL get you out of here!" I really like the way she says "watch me!" That entire scene is just so tender between them ~~ (swooning ~ and off to watch that scene again) Don't you wish it was electric Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 475 Location: Louisiana ~ USA _________________ "shut up and kiss me ~~~" Toni~girl Posted: 23 Mar 2006 09:34 pm Toni~girl wrote: I just wanted to put in a little bit about Nikki's attitude...I know you all were talking about it a bit earlier in this thread. Let's not forget the utter crap that this woman has had to put up with in her life. I think I would be a bit apprehensive and harsh myself. It is the whole getting your fingers burned analogy. She is in prison because she loved someone so much to kill for them. That same someone dumps her for someone else while she is doing time as a direct result of how much she loves this person. Her family has turned their backs on her because of who she loves. Now she's got a new love and lord knows she could've tried a relationship that wouldn't have been quite so hard but again for love she'll do what she needs to do even if it means having her heart ripped out again (back to the fingers burned thing). Who can blame her for being a bit defensive and bitter? I certainly can't. Helen can't either I don't think. She knows every time she calls it off it tears Nikki's heart a little more but she is dealing with her own issues. But I think a true understanding of each other grows as the show progresses. I dunno, I know I have felt the same way that Nikki does a lot of times in my life. I just did not react the way she does, but then again, I'm not a prisoner because of love. Okay, I will stop babbling. Hmmm...either I had a really good point here or you all think I'm a nutter! In love with a prisoner Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: In Nikki's closet! _________________ Late Starter Posted: 23 Mar 2006 09:43 pm Toni~girl wrote: Toni~girl wrote: I just wanted to put in a little bit about Nikki's attitude...I know you all were talking about it a bit earlier in this thread. Let's not forget the utter crap that this woman has had to put up with in her life. I think I would be a bit apprehensive and harsh myself. It is the whole getting your fingers burned analogy. She is in prison because she loved someone so much to kill for them. That same someone dumps her for someone else while she is doing time as a direct result of how much she loves this person. Her family has turned their backs on her because of who she loves. Now she's got a new love and lord knows she could've tried a relationship that wouldn't have been quite so hard but again for love she'll do what she needs to do even if it means having her heart ripped out again (back to the fingers burned thing). Who can blame her for being a bit defensive and bitter? I certainly can't. Helen can't either I don't think. She knows every time she calls it off it tears Nikki's heart a little more but she is dealing with her own issues. But I think a true understanding of each other grows as the show progresses. I dunno, I know I have felt the same way that Nikki does a lot of times in my life. I just did not react the way she does, but then again, I'm not a prisoner because of love. Okay, I will stop babbling. Hmmm...either I had a really good point here or you all think I'm a nutter! TG you know we think your a nutter anyway, but yes you did have a point, thinkin over it she poperly sees that helen not tellin her about the nite out with dom as the same as her phonin trisha & gettin no answer its a case of history repeatin itself, they more she pushed helen the more helen pushed back 'u cant tell me who i can see' i understand the whole fear thing on nikki's part she wanted her soul mate 4ever & when it felt like she was losin her she panicked. (be proud TG ) The Number one Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 5227 Location: Locked In Helen's Bedroom _________________ "Who has 2 keep their hormones under control!!!" Toni~girl Posted: 23 Mar 2006 09:48 pm Late Starter wrote: Toni~girl wrote: Toni~girl wrote: I just wanted to put in a little bit about Nikki's attitude...I know you all were talking about it a bit earlier in this thread. Let's not forget the utter crap that this woman has had to put up with in her life. I think I would be a bit apprehensive and harsh myself. It is the whole getting your fingers burned analogy. She is in prison because she loved someone so much to kill for them. That same someone dumps her for someone else while she is doing time as a direct result of how much she loves this person. Her family has turned their backs on her because of who she loves. Now she's got a new love and lord knows she could've tried a relationship that wouldn't have been quite so hard but again for love she'll do what she needs to do even if it means having her heart ripped out again (back to the fingers burned thing). Who can blame her for being a bit defensive and bitter? I certainly can't. Helen can't either I don't think. She knows every time she calls it off it tears Nikki's heart a little more but she is dealing with her own issues. But I think a true understanding of each other grows as the show progresses. I dunno, I know I have felt the same way that Nikki does a lot of times in my life. I just did not react the way she does, but then again, I'm not a prisoner because of love. Okay, I will stop babbling. Hmmm...either I had a really good point here or you all think I'm a nutter! TG you know we think your a nutter anyway, but yes you did have a point, thinkin over it she poperly sees that helen not tellin her about the nite out with dom as the same as her phonin trisha & gettin no answer its a case of history repeatin itself, they more she pushed helen the more helen pushed back 'u cant tell me who i can see' i understand the whole fear thing on nikki's part she wanted her soul mate 4ever & when it felt like she was losin her she panicked. (be proud TG ) Yeah! What she said! In love with a prisoner Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: In Nikki's closet! _________________ abzug Posted: 23 Mar 2006 09:51 pm Toni~girl wrote: Hmmm...either I had a really good point here or you all think I'm a nutter! Actually, I completely agreed with you, and you put it so well I didn't have anything to add! This is why I've always felt that the two of them would have a far less combative relationship outside of Larkhall (in contrast to those among us--you know who you are!--who think H&N wouldn't have lasted six months once Nikki was freed). There's no way that the Nikki we see in Larkhall is the Real Nikki. We see glimpses of it, and its Helen who draws it out of her most of all. I've always felt that the most successful relationships are those which bring out the best side of each person. That the person you choose to spend your life with is the person with whom you like yourself the best, if that makes sense. When viewed in those terms, H&N, despite their conflicts, measure up quite well. When the two of them are in the groove, they really enhance eachother. Nikki demands Helen be a more compassionate and understanding person, holding Helen to the very moral values they share, but which Helen might be more willing to sacrifice for professional expediency. And Helen demands Nikki control her hostile combative side, while also inspiring her most loving romantic impulses. Of course, we saw a lot more of the drama side of things than the loving side of things, but still.... The Garden Assistant Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 667 Location: NYC Toni~girl Posted: 23 Mar 2006 09:54 pm abzug wrote: Toni~girl wrote: Hmmm...either I had a really good point here or you all think I'm a nutter! Actually, I completely agreed with you, and you put it so well I didn't have anything to add! This is why I've always felt that the two of them would have a far less combative relationship outside of Larkhall (in contrast to those among us--you know who you are!--who think H&N wouldn't have lasted six months once Nikki was freed). There's no way that the Nikki we see in Larkhall is the Real Nikki. We see glimpses of it, and its Helen who draws it out of her most of all. I've always felt that the most successful relationships are those which bring out the best side of each person. That the person you choose to spend your life with is the person with whom you like yourself the best, if that makes sense. When viewed in those terms, H&N, despite their conflicts, measure up quite well. When the two of them are in the groove, they really enhance eachother. Nikki demands Helen be a more compassionate and understanding person, holding Helen to the very moral values they share, but which Helen might be more willing to sacrifice for professional expediency. And Helen demands Nikki control her hostile combative side, while also inspiring her most loving romantic impulses. Of course, we saw a lot more of the drama side of things than the loving side of things, but still.... Very well put! Thank you very much! In love with a prisoner Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 3256 Location: In Nikki's closet! _________________ GeauxGurl Posted: 24 Mar 2006 05:19 am abzug wrote: This is why I've always felt that the two of them would have a far less combative relationship outside of Larkhall (in contrast to those among us--you know who you are!--who think H&N wouldn't have lasted six months once Nikki was freed). What!!?? Who??!! Can't be anyone on this board, huh?? Quote: There's no way that the Nikki we see in Larkhall is the Real Nikki. We see glimpses of it, and its Helen who draws it out of her most of all. I've always felt that the most successful relationships are those which bring out the best side of each person. That the person you choose to spend your life with is the person with whom you like yourself the best, if that makes sense. Very nice!! Yes ~~ I've always felt that way! I believe that real love does that!! Quote: When viewed in those terms, H&N, despite their conflicts, measure up quite well. When the two of them are in the groove, they really enhance eachother. Nikki demands Helen be a more compassionate and understanding person, holding Helen to the very moral values they share, but which Helen might be more willing to sacrifice for professional expediency. And Helen demands Nikki control her hostile combative side, while also inspiring her most loving romantic impulses. Of course, we saw a lot more of the drama side of things than the loving side of things, but still.... Yep ~~ I agree!! They certainly compliment each other ~~ Just what couples ought to do ~~~ Don't you wish it was electric Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 475 Location: Louisiana ~ USA _________________ "shut up and kiss me ~~~" abzug Posted: 24 Mar 2006 06:43 pm Another thought on this idea of the Real Nikki vs Larkhall Nikki. More than anything, Nikki is a caretaker. We see this in her defending the weaker prisoners, in her support of Helen in the second half of season 1 etc. She's the kind of person who likes to solve problems for people she cares about. Now imagine a caretaking problem-solver who has absolutely no power or autonomy to do anything. She's kept at a physical and emotional distance from her friends and lover, so not only is she limited in what kinds of support she can offer, oftentimes she's unaware of what is needed. What makes this worse is she knows the need is there and that she has no information about it. Suffering this for 3+ years would be soul-decaying. The Garden Assistant Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 667 Location: NYC abzug Posted: 25 Mar 2006 11:48 pm Oh, and had another thought about how different H&N would be outside of Larkhall. When you're in a normal relationship, you rely on your friends to support that relationship. They tell you how much they like your girlfriend, how much better she is for you than that previous wench you dated, how great you are together etc. When you are annoyed, your friends can remind you and talk you down. Helen and Nikki didn't have this--their isolation meant that they had only eachother to rely on, and they didn't even have the opportunity to provide the kind of emotional support the other needed. Sure, Nikki could complain to Babs, but its not like Babs ever actually SAW Helen and Nikki together, or was integrated in their life together in any way. She was just an outlet for Nikki's ranting, only heard things from Nikki's perspective etc. Helen, meanwhile, had no one (other than Dominic a bit there at the end of S2). That kind of isolation is dire for a relationship. In a way, its also sort of metaphorical for the way society doesn't support same-sex relationships in general--they exist isolated from social norms and institutions which hold relationships together even when there are bad patches. The Garden Assistant Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 667 Location: NYC ScottishDream Posted: 02 May 2006 10:30 pm One scene I really like is the potting shed breast grab and aftermath in the office because the mix of emotions on both sides is so well acted. When Nikki sees the expression on Helen's face, and her face changes the way it does...it is brilliant, and so realistic as to how someone would feel when they put themselves out on a limb (no pun intended) where their impulse was not rewarded. Also when Helen recovers from her initial reaction you can see her respond in a way to Nikki's crestfallen reaction...the office just continues their interaction and it's just wonderful to see. I think you could subtitle the N-H scenes "the evolution of Helen" because in watching her development over the seasons you can see how at first she refuses to take any responsibility for her part in giving out all those mixed messages to Nikki..."you took advantage of me" etc. WHile it is true that Nikki once again violated a boundary as we say these days, she was complicit by sitting right next to her! She ends up giving up what she most thought was important to her: her image, her career, her abidance in the written law to go after her heart and soul in the person of Nikki. I wish they had spun off into another show ! because to me, the interesting part happens now that they can actually try to have a real relationship. G. Dartt's fan fiction goes a long way to imagining what happens next and I have enjoyed her work a lot! In strips Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 7 mercy23 Posted: 04 May 2006 01:21 am I got to giggling while reading here about Nikki's...oh....occasional "outbursts" and then compared it to how some of us can not keep ourselves from watching the dvd's back-to-back (rather than one or two episodes at a time). Seems there may be a bit of Nikki in many of us when it comes to not being satisfied/always wanting more! I agree that Helen and Nikki's relationship outside Larkhall will be, shall we say, much more even-tempered because the greatest and obvious of obstacles will have been removed. I do think, however, that Nikki could very well suffer some form of post traumatic disorder. I can't imagine that, even with Helen at her side, she could walk away from the whole experience without some help getting out of that "fight or flight syndrome" she's had to rely on for the years she was in prison. I had to edit this to add something I've noticed and don't know where else to put it: While I understand that Bad Girls was nationally broadcast (mainstream tv) and The L Word here in the U.S. is on cable (pay-per-view), I've noticed that when kissing, the British actressess give short, yet passionate full on lip "pecks", while (in The L word), the kisses are a tongue wrestling, every-woman-for-herself, free-for-all (excluding the British actress Rachel Shelley's scenes ). Does anyone know why that is?....or am I just paying a bit too much attention to the kissing/snogging scenes? Down the Block Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 35 Location: Colorado, USA _________________ If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. ;-) COOLUK1 Posted: 04 May 2006 07:43 am I think you've answered your own question..BG is shown on ITV at 9pm. This is prime time entertainment slot for the general population..so maybe ITV were worried that full on f/f 'snogging' would turn people off and the advertisers would get tetchy..Shed had to follow ITV's demands...on more than one occassion. If it had been shown at 10, 10.30 or 11pm, or on a more 'adventurous' mainstream channel such as BBC2 or C4 then it may have been a different story...lol G3 landing Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 344 Location: SW London Dockley Posted: 04 May 2006 08:14 am COOLUK1 wrote: I think you've answered your own question..BG is shown on ITV at 9pm. This is prime time entertainment slot for the general population..so maybe ITV were worried that full on f/f 'snogging' would turn people off and the advertisers would get tetchy..Shed had to follow ITV's demands...on more than one occassion. If it had been shown at 10, 10.30 or 11pm, or on a more 'adventurous' mainstream channel such as BBC2 or C4 then it may have been a different story...lol And Oh! How I wish it had been a C4 production... Basic Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 62 Location: Down the Block! COOLUK1 Posted: 04 May 2006 09:30 am I used to say way way back that BG could have been a much darker, hard hitting, even sinister show if it had been commissioned by BBC2 for the 'This Life'/'Attachments' slot, or Channel 4 for the say 'Queer as Folk'/ 'North Square' slot... The abuse and corruption, drug problems and self harming as well as the relationships could all have been more graphically dealt with. Shed have done a wonderful job though, within the constraints of ITV looking over their shoulder ensuring that advertising revenue wasn't threatened. The BBC don't have to worry about what advertisers think[only their licence fee payers and they *have* to pay regardless]...lol and C4 don't seem to care and get away with more...lol Now of course we have all the digital channels BBC3 BBC4 E4 etc . One advantage of BG being screened on ITV is that millions more viewers saw it than would otherwise have done, at it's peak 9m. Even now people tend to stick with the two main terrestrial channels BBC1 and ITV..viewing figures for the others are much lower. 2, 3 or 4m G3 landing Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 344 Location: SW London |
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| MJNet | May 28 2006, 12:05 AM Post #5 |
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Lisa289 Posted: 04 May 2006 05:11 pm i'v got quite a few fave scenes, including: S3Ep1. They're in the POs office. When Helen says, "I told him about my feelings - you told a prisoner that I broke the bloody law!" And when she tells Nikki its all over because shes being a hypocrite against Fenner. S2Ep12. In the garden, when Nikki is confronting Helen about her "date" with Dominic. When Helen says "I'm so sick of you!" and Nikki plunges the weeding fork into her hand - OUCH! 1st series, when Helen goes to see Nikki down the block and she's in strips. lv this bit: Nikki: I don't know how you can sleep at night believing in a system that locks up pregnant women Helen: Well you're just going to trust me - I don't ! After the riot when Helen feels betrayed. She says, "What are you waiting for Wade? I said get back to your cell" S1Ep10, when they're in Helen's office talkin bout the kiss. Love Nikki's line - "Well put me down the block then...go on...rule47, sub-section16 , being disrespectful to the wing governor, by kissing her" G3 landing Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 332 Location: Wales, UK _________________ Shit Happens mercy23 Posted: 04 May 2006 11:11 pm COOLUK1 wrote: I think you've answered your own question..BG is shown on ITV at 9pm. This is prime time entertainment slot for the general population..so maybe ITV were worried that full on f/f 'snogging' would turn people off and the advertisers would get tetchy..Shed had to follow ITV's demands...on more than one occassion. If it had been shown at 10, 10.30 or 11pm, or on a more 'adventurous' mainstream channel such as BBC2 or C4 then it may have been a different story...lol Thanks Cool!! I figured it was probably because it was mainstream tv, but when I'd noticed British actress Rachel Shelley doing the same thing on The L Word, I thought maybe it was because she's used to having to kiss like that (because she'd primarily been in a British shows before The L Word). Needless to say, she gets a bit of razzing from some fans who don't know that this style of kissing helps to get around the censors. Hmmm...quite interesting! Thanks again!! Down the Block Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 35 Location: Colorado, USA _________________ If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. ;-) Vergil Posted: 05 May 2006 12:56 am I must agree with Cool, i would have liked to have seen BG on bbc2 or C4 where they could have carried along series1 style(and gone furthur) rather than the lighter,fluffier version that we got post s1. They would have been able to delve more into the sex,violence,drugs and bad language which i would have thought would be a more accurate reflection of prison life(obviously youve got to add a little dramatic license)With the likes of simone,mandana,debra s,jack e i think they had the cast to do a grittier,well acted programme along these lines. In strips Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 9 mercy23 Posted: 05 May 2006 01:36 am You guys mentioning BBC2 reminded me of when I was in England last year on business (I hate travelling but I LOVE England!!!!) - anyway, I had the tv on in my hotel room (I think it was the BBC2 channel), and wasnt' paying much attention til I glanced up and there were naked people (full frontal nudity!) on this show all talking about what they liked and didn't like about their bodies!!! I couldn't believe my freakin' eyes!!!! I know nothing about the tv programming in England so I don't know if I was actually watching cable or what, but I thought....good lord, I love this country!!! lol!! Down the Block Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 35 Location: Colorado, USA _________________ If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. ;-) |
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| campgrrls | May 28 2006, 08:00 AM Post #6 |
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But I think the lesbian snogging in series 7 was a different kind, more like a proper full on, deep kiss if I remember correctly? Maybe they've felt more able to push the boundaries as time's gone on? |
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BBC1, BBC2, ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5 are what you call terrestrial TV. You don't pay anything to get them, just mount a simple aerial on your rooftop. The majority (still) of households in the UK have only terrestrial. And when you think that the programmes (whether made for BBC, ITV or Channel 4) are shown on terrestrial TV first, yes, you can safely say that compared to the US, in terms of TV, UK is heaven. |
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I had a re-think on my fave scenes I've come to a conclusion of three scenes (all coincedentally from series 2) Tug Of Love Nikki: Helen... Helen: What are you doing here? Nikki: I thought you were absolutely fantastic up on that roof and I'm sorry Helen I've gotta tell you, you're gorgeous, I'm totally in love with you. Helen: Nikki... Nikki: There's nothing I can do about it! Helen: Well I can (She turns and walks away) Shit Happens H: Nikki, I want to apologise. You told me you were provoked by Fenner, I've reason to believe you now. N: Well bloody marvellous - I'm shipped round the country in a cattle truck while you work out the obvious! H: I said I'm sorry. N: So what's brought this on then? H: Fenner's jus been suspended - over suspected relationship with an inmate. N: Not Shell Dockley by any chance? H: Listen Nikki, about what happened today; I let my emotions cloud my professional judgement…I thought I could fight them, I was stupid. N: What are you saying? H: I won’t be looking after your case anymore. N: What? H: I’ve resigned. N: Helen, you can’t do this to me, this isn’t fair. H: Listen, I’ve just suspended Jim Fenner when I’m guilty of the same offence…in thought if not in deed. N: So what now? H: Well I’m not your jailer anymore, which means I can do this.... (Kisses Nikki)...What? N: Say you'll visit me. Please, say you'll visit me. H: Nikki, it's too difficult. N: Helen you can't leave me like this. This is shit! H: Shit happens. The Set-Up H: Nikki, I need you to understand, you've turned my life inside out. I thought I knew which way I was going; I was doing the job I wanted to do, I was committed to the man that I loved; there are no sign posts anymore. I don't know what to expect, except that it won't be normal. N: So what's normal? A husband, a job, 2.4 kids? H: I wanted kids one day. N: You can still have them, there are ways. Look Helen, you're not abnormal, you're not normal, you're just you; you do what you want to do, what you feel. H: I wanna do what's best for both of us. N: And this is. Helen, relationships need both people involved in them, sometimes I feel like I'm on my own. I need to know you're not just going through the motions. H: Don't worry, I'm not. Nikki, if I didn't feel the way i feel, I wouldn't be talking like this. |
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