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What do you think?; (extent Trish knows abt Helen) Jules2
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Jules2 PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 8:15 pm

What do you think?
In s1ep2 we meet Trisha for the first time. In this scene Trisha en Nikki discuss Helen as 'the new commandant' In episode 4 Helen en Trisha break up and Trisha disappears for the length of a bible.

In s3ep16 we see Trisha again when she is celebrating Nikki's release. The scene where Helen walked in the club got me thinking...


How does Trisha know that Nikki's speach was about Helen. Would Nikki has discussed the relationship with Trisha the few times they called?
And immediately after Helen entered the club Trisha knows who she is and that she was there to see Nikki. Is it logical to think that Trisha would remember Helen so well after seeing her for only a few moment? Down the Block



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Lisa289 PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 11:24 pm

I think when Trisha said, "You don't make speeches like that for all the girls", she didn't actually know that it was Helen Nikki was referring to. But then Nikki casually started explaining the importance and effect Helen had on her life. Trisha would've then remembered "Helen" as being the then-wing governor, and would've made more sense of Nikki's speech in her head. I think when Helen walked into the club, Trisha did recognise her from that time she'd seen her in the visitors' room. Note how, in S1Ep2, Trisha had referred to Helen as a "babe", so I think this contemplates the rememberance and recognition. G3 landing



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hetane PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 12:39 am

Or maybe in the car on the way from the court to the bar Trish asked who Nikki was speaking about and Nikki filled her in. Trish, knowing Nikki well probably could read Nikki's face and recognized that Nikki felt deeply about Helen.Trish can figure Nikki out they were lovers for nine years. That's the same sense Trish had when she encouraged Nikki to go after Helen, Trish knew Nikki.

Very good question. There are several on this board who can give us some insight on the question. It'll be interesting to read the imput. Basic



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Lisa289 PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 11:19 am

^ye i guess that was another possibility! G3 landing



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abzug PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 12:28 pm

I always thought that Trish was fairly active working on Nikki's appeal, and so she and Helen wound up reconnecting during that whole process. So not only did Trish know Helen at least at the acquaintance level, but she was aware that there was a special relationship between Helen and Nikki. Although my assumption was that Trish was NOT aware it was a romantic relationship until the day Nikki won her appeal and made the speech.

My only evidence of this is the line where Helen asks Nikki if she's still in touch with Trish and mentions that she's going to need friends on the outside doing publicity for her case etc. So I'm extrapolating quite a bit, but it seems to make sense. B/c I can't imagine that Trish would remember Helen otherwise, especially now that she's so blonde! The Garden Assistant



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Jules2 PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:00 pm

abzug wrote:
I always thought that Trish was fairly active working on Nikki's appeal, and so she and Helen wound up reconnecting during that whole process. So not only did Trish know Helen at least at the acquaintance level, but she was aware that there was a special relationship between Helen and Nikki. Although my assumption was that Trish was NOT aware it was a romantic relationship until the day Nikki won her appeal and made the speech.

My only evidence of this is the line where Helen asks Nikki if she's still in touch with Trish and mentions that she's going to need friends on the outside doing publicity for her case etc. So I'm extrapolating quite a bit, but it seems to make sense. B/c I can't imagine that Trish would remember Helen otherwise, especially now that she's so blonde!



I don't know what to think about Trisha and the way the is portaited in Bad Girls. I think she was created to give a human face to Nikki's crime (I did it for her); to show Nikki off and the one-woman-woman that she is and to astablish Nikki's sexuality visibly to the viewers. (kissing Trisha etc)

But there is also room for speculation and assumtions like you are doing in your post. We can be sure that Trisha and Helen have not seeing eachother prior to the moment when Nikki points Helen out to Trisha. But we don't know if Nikki has not mentioned her before. (in the scene Helen is refurt to as the new commendant. Her name is not mentioned)

I think we can also be sure that Helen is not in touch with Trisha at the point of the first Lifers Meeting. If Helen was it would be unlogical for her to ask Nikki if she was still in touch with Trisha. But the way she casually mentions her name almost makes it sounds like she knows Trisha atleast a little. (bad writing or just something we never saw on camera?)

And this continues in serie 3. In the last episode Clair mentions that Helen will be so pleased and Trisha immediately knows who Clair is talking about. Then (like i mentioned before) in the club she recognizes Helen without blinking twice.

So i guess the question is should we go by what we have seen on camera. Or would some storylines of Bad Girls have continued developing even when it was not on camera? Because if the first is true, then the only thing we know is that Trisha has seen Helen briefly and knows nothing Helen and Nikki's relationship. And yes i agree with you. I find it very hard to imagine too that Trisha would have remembered Helen with just one glance. Down the Block



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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:48 pm

Trish
Edited to add....Oooopps started writing this post about an hour ago and got sidetracked so have repeated some of the above post...lol

Monica I think it was asked Nikki if she still heard from Trish, Nikki repiled that she'd had a few letters but they'd sort of stopped [hope I'm remembering this correctly]

But they must have resumed contact when work for her appeal started ..Helen suggests the appeal during her Prison visit S2:E4 or 5 was it?

When Helen returns and runs the lifers unit after the meeting and Nikki makes Helen lose her thread ...lol... they are alone briefly, she says somethng about being a business woman 'doing well' by all accounts ..so again this indicates that she must have some contact with Trish either by letter or maybe Nikki rang her everynow and then.

AND when Nikki was planning to escape at the end of S2 she needed cash to bribe the nurse and she rang Trish then didn't she, would she not have told Trish *why* she was escaping or who she needed the money for, even by not mentioning names in case anyway was evesdropping ...???

I reckon Trish did know Nikki had a thang for Helen even if she didn't realise the full extent... but on hearing Nikki's court steps speech she would have known for sure.

I still think that when she looked over at Helen while she was talking to Nikki, when she came into the club she was just making sure Nikki was ok as he must have known to some degree of Nikki and Helen's break up.

Trish may have hoped that they could get back together but she knew that circumstances had moved them on her time had been and gone.

Even Nikki's half hearted 'don't get too pissed' implying that they could get together later that evening didn't reassure Trish ...she knew that Nikki's heart was lost to Helen.

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Jules2 PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:18 pm

Re: Trish
COOLUK1 wrote:
Edited to add....Oooopps started writing this post about an hour ago and got sidetracked so have repeated some of the above post...lol

Monica I think it was asked Nikki if she still heard from Trish, Nikki repiled that she'd had a few letters but they'd sort of stopped [hope I'm remembering this correctly]

But they must have resumed contact when work for her appeal started ..Helen suggests the appeal during her Prison visit S2:E4 or 5 was it?<<

You are so right! I forgot about Monica asking Nikki about Trisha. As for the appeal scene, i just saw it again and Helen does mention the appeal during her visit, but does not mention Trisha.

>>When Helen returns and runs the lifers unit after the meeting and Nikki makes Helen lose her thread ...lol... they are alone briefly, she says somethng about being a business woman 'doing well' by all accounts ..so again this indicates that she must have some contact with Trish either by letter or maybe Nikki rang her everynow and then.<<

Again you are correct, but does this also mean that Nikki would discuss her lovelife with Trisha?

>>AND when Nikki was planning to escape at the end of S2 she needed cash to bribe the nurse and she rang Trish then didn't she, would she not have told Trish *why* she was escaping or who she needed the money for, even by not mentioning names in case anyway was evesdropping ...???<<

Good question. I don't think she would mention the escape, because anyone of the screws might be listening in on the conversation. As for mentioning Helen, can you picture Nikki telling Trisha: "Hey darlin' i need a favour. I need 3000 pounds because I wanna escape from prison for a night to shag Helen Stewart"?

>>I reckon Trish did know Nikki had a thang for Helen even if she didn't realise the full extent... but on hearing Nikki's court steps speech she would have known for sure.

I still think that when she looked over at Helen while she was talking to Nikki, when she came into the club she was just making sure Nikki was ok as he must have known to some degree of Nikki and Helen's break up.<<

Very true on the first part. I don't know on the second part. In my post i was revering to the moment when Helen had just come in and before Trisha pointed Helen out to Nikki. That was the moment when i find it hard to imagine Trisha recognizing Helen immediately.

>>Trish may have hoped that they could get back together but she knew that circumstances had moved them on her time had been and gone.

Even Nikki's half hearted 'don't get too pissed' implying that they could get together later that evening didn't reassure Trish ...she knew that Nikki's heart was lost to Helen. <<<

'Don't get too pissed' is a line from Trisha. And yes, by that time Trisha knew there was no hope for her and Nikki.
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:44 pm

Thanks for correcting things from my bad memory...lol

Nikki may not have said in so many words that she and Helen had 'connected'. But Trish would pick it up from Nikki's happier mood that 'someone' was in her life and l'm sure Nikki couldn't stop herself mentioning Helen by name at some point.
'Oh you mean the commandant who was a babe' Trish might have exclaimed...lol

I think Trish would have recognised Helen ..she'd had a good look at her in the visiting room. Also Helen would have stuck out like a sore thumb when she walked into the club ..She would have immediately caught Trish's eye and it would have clicked as to who she was.
Hence her 'I think someones's here to see you' or 'I think someone's looking for you' or whatever she said.
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