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| Books Nikki read while in prison; unknown [orig Jun 5, 2005] | |
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| badgirlnuts | Aug 11 2006, 04:47 PM Post #16 |
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Hi Kirsty, Here's what i wrote regarding "Oranges....... badgirlnuts PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:56 pm Hi there, I got the "Oranges....... from the library and tried to read it but had a difficult time understanding the religious undertones in the novel not being christian and couldn't finish it either, as I just gave up. |
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| Kirsty | Aug 11 2006, 05:14 PM Post #17 |
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Well, I clearly wasn't intelligent enough to find that :P Thank you ![]() I suppose I'm on the Agnostic/Atheist borderline myself, so I don't know a lot about religion from my day-to-day experiences, but I loved GCSE RS and had a tiny, awesome class so I got a lot out of that which I think aided my understanding of it. I'd say give it another try, if you've got the time or the inclination :lol: |
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| abzug | Aug 12 2006, 02:05 AM Post #18 |
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I haven't read Sophie's World, but I think you are on the right track with the kinds of connections you are making between some of the imagery in the novel and the imagery on the show. The stuff you've mentioned is similar to some of the associations people have made between BG and Middlemarch and Romeo & Juliet, which along with Sophie's World are probably the three most emphasized literary allusions on the show. Anyway, I'd love to hear more of the connections you see between SW and BG, as would lots of the other folks on the board.
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| Jeanna | Aug 23 2006, 06:36 PM Post #19 |
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I just rewatched the 6 pt. BBC adaptation of "Middlemarch" and one moment that struck me...that I felt Nikki reading in her cell might've taken a breather to reflect upon was this little exchange between Ladislaw, the hero rebel of the piece who is in love with Dorothea, the married heroine, proper and living by the rules, tho a would-be reformer and do-gooder. L: I suppose one gets a habit of doing without happiness or hope... What I care for more than I can ever care for anything else is absolutely forbidden me. D: I have never done you any injustice. Please remember me. L: How can you say that? As if I were not in danger of forgetting everything else. I've checked it against the novel, and the dialogue is almost verbatim. And from the novel itself: She was ready to say that it was as hard on her as on him, and that she was helpless; but those strange particulars of their relation which neither of them could explicitly mention kept her always in dread of saying too much. |
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| ekny | Aug 23 2006, 07:45 PM Post #20 |
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Nice. |
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| Flutur | Aug 26 2006, 06:02 AM Post #21 |
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Hi Kirsty,
I hadn't thought about that, but I like your comparison. I am about halfway through this one as well (I've gotten a bit distracted from the Nikki Wade reading list by a grammar book and a travel book...but I'm finishing those and coming back). For me, Sophie's World is ideal for Nikki and Helen because it is a novel about the ideas, or the importance of using thought to discover something beyond one's immediate situation. Often the analogy is made in the novel between most of mankind dwelling down in the fur of a rabbit while the philosophers want to crawl to the edges of the fur and see what is outside. Nikki refers to her mind as being free and the only thing Fenner/the prison can't get at. Helen understood Nikki well enough to intuit that. Being an observant woman herself who enjoyed just such a contemplative book, Helen figured it would be just the thing to endear the highly intelligent Nikki Wade to her...even if it worked a little better than she intended. Cheers, Flutur |
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| abzug | Sep 27 2007, 02:54 AM Post #22 |
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I had a thought about Middlemarch, while watching the BBC adaptation of another Eliot novel, Daniel Deronda. I've never read DD, and it's been a while since I read MM, but there did seem to me to be a common theme of Eliot heroines getting into bad marriages because it's the right thing to do. Which strikes me as very Helen-like, in terms of her relationship with Sean. Then I asked myself, why do I assume that the MM reference has to be about Helen? I mean, Nikki is the one who's reading the novel, after all. But then I was thinking, well, Nikki reads a lot of things which aren't exactly her cup of tea, right? She reads them because there IS no "Juliet and Juliet" out there for her to read. So she reads the classics, and in her head she makes the changes she needs to in the story so that it becomes her cup of tea. |
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| ekny | Sep 27 2007, 05:05 AM Post #23 |
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Which is, in terms of real life, consistent with lesbian reading practices.
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| abzug | Sep 27 2007, 02:00 PM Post #24 |
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Indeed! And one other Eliot thought, which is that her heroines (at least the moral ones) after making the bad marriage decision, tend to find a way to wind up with their correct match, the person who isn't appropriate, but who they love. |
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| ekny | Sep 27 2007, 03:17 PM Post #25 |
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oh groooan! I'm really gonna have to read more of her, ain't I?! GROAN. Please miss, I'll take all me medications, I'll be very quiet & ever so good... |
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| ekny | Jul 8 2008, 01:30 AM Post #26 |
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Well well well. Sorry, couldn't resist. All credit for this highly intelligent bit of guesswork goes to JAMBF; we were talking & wondering, again, what book Nikki was reading before her escape in ep 2.13. It's the Well of Loneliness. No kidding. When I asked her how on earth she came up with the idea or matched the covers, she replied:
We had a bit of a time finding the exact match for the cover--the current Virago edition has the cover shot reversed from the cover we see in Bad Girls, but it turns out the older (green-spined) Virago edition which would have been in print at the time is the exact match. So how's about them apples!!! ![]() Cover art is from 'Le Amiche' (1924) by Ubaldo Oppi ('The Friends'). current (2008) incarnation of Virago cover: ![]() older ('green spine') Virago cover: ![]() When things got difficult, Nikki turned to her bible... ![]() (book shot, rotated): ![]() 'Le Amiche' (1924), Ubaldo Oppi:
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| abzug | Jul 8 2008, 01:51 AM Post #27 |
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Oh. My. God. First of all, you guys are crazy. Second of all, thank god you are, because this is the most delicious find, of all the what-is-Nikki-reading musings! I am enamored of this. Someone should write a thank you note to the set dresser, or whoever it was who decided what Nikki should be reading in various scenes. |
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| Jeanna | Jul 9 2008, 12:33 AM Post #28 |
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WOW WOW WOW!!! THAT IS FABULOUS!!!! I'm hopping up and down here. I love you guys. That's brilliant that is. And it so figures. JAMBF...you are another mad bad fan!! But hardly just another. Have a pint on me. And that cover is Sooooo Wayyy much better than the dreadful posed cover on my 70s era paperback copy using...live models. *choke* Done up as someone's very bad idea of lesbians of the era. Now, I must find a copy of that edition. Oh Nikki. I want to hug her all the more now. Delicious find is right, Abzug. |
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| sounder | Jul 9 2008, 01:11 AM Post #29 |
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You guys are real fanatics, just like me when I first discovered this series. Wonder how the US BG will be like when it airs. |
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| Just Another Mad Bad Fan | Jul 9 2008, 05:12 PM Post #30 |
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Ahem! Well in that regard I think we are perhaps in quite good company on this board! After all, I seem to recall that there was one crazy person who actually sat down and worked out a Timeline for the show! And there was another one who flew across the Atlantic not once, but twice to see Bad Girls The Musical...Oh no hang on - come to think of it, that was one and the same person. So clearly we're dealing with a fairly high level of craziness here! :lol:
That wouldn't by any chance be this rather dodgy one would it Jeanna? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9...Pocket_1974.jpg The woman in front reminds me a little of Trisha! Oh, and thanks for the pint! |
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