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How Many Years Did Nikki Serve, Total?; ekny [Feb 13, 2006]
Topic Started: Jun 1 2006, 05:39 PM (2,442 Views)
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Nov 9 2006, 07:43 PM
Wow abzug! That just shows how good your Timeline was then, because I don't remember Dominic's birthday being one of the points of reference in your original workings out - so you must just reached the conclusion of Ep 10 being July from what you'd worked out for Eps 1 - 9 then! Well done! But you know I've always had a fondness for your Timeline anyway! :hug2

Gee, thanks JAMBF. <blush> I think I came up with the timeline for Ep 10 because of the reference in the news broadcast to Monica having served 7 months of a 5 year sentence. So I'm no genius or anything, it's just nice that in S1, it was just a question of listening and observing to pin down the timeline, while in S2 & S3, I also had to choose what information to ignore and what information to rely on, since there were occasional (ok, frequent!) contradictions.
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JAMBF made a very interesting observation (I thought so, anyway) in an email to me about the Pathetic Fallacy subthread (earlier in this thread, iow); she said in watching the montage where Zandra gets increasingly stressed about just dealing with a crying baby (S2ep1, starting ~31.00), we get the rain on the windows/crying PF thing, sure--but we also get thunder. (In fact, Zandra looks up specifically as if registering the weather as reflection of her mood/situation, which I found unusual.) And JAMBF went on to observe that thunderstorms were a bit unusual in the UK. Less so w/global warming, but still not a typical thing.

I found myself pretty gobsmacked to hear this. I mean, we get thunderstorms all the time. ALL the time, even winter (ok that's rare but still).

Um. Er. Sorry to expose what is no doubt an appalling level of ignorance about the all-important topic of Weather, but... Britain is an island. A really really big island, but I would still assume islands have... well, island weather. But then you guys don't get much in the way of hurricanes either, do you. Now I think of it... isn't this sort of odd?

Thanks for any help with Understanding your lack of Thunderstorms! ;) --e
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I would say we do get regular thunderstorms in the Summer in the UK, and on occasion they have been known to occur in the winter as well.

Sure not to the ferocity of some places, but I certainly wouldn't say they were unusual (and I spent 5 years launching Gliders, so did spend a lot of time watching weather and becoming very aware of the day to day situations for launching of Gliders, especially Thunderstorms which are potentially really dangerous for Glider launching).

Its like Tornardos - we don't get the ferocity of the States, but per square mile, the UK gets more Tornado's than any other country! Just really mild ones, that most people hardly notice (with the odd exception).

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I was in Scotland for only 4 days, and we had a doozy of a thunder storm. I got absolutely drenched.

Btw, the hurricane thing is specific to the east and southeast US, because hurricanes develop when there's cold air over warm water, or something like that, and therefore almost always originate in or near the Carribean. I don't think there's another part of the world that has them, and I don't think it would be possible for them to travel across the Atlantic and hit Europe without losing steam.
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Apr 23 2007, 08:31 PM
I don't think there's another part of the world that has them, and I don't think it would be possible for them to travel across the Atlantic and hit Europe without losing steam.

Ordinarily yes - but we had a famous incident where one of our Forecasters ( Michael Fish) denied there was a hurricane on the way - only for Southern Britain to be battered with a hurricane even the Atlantic hadn't managed to defuse completely - starting initially in the Bay of Biscay!

So exceptionally rare, but not impossible with the right prevailing conditions.

Edited to add: Although my understanding is, like Champagne is only called Champagne when produced in a certain part of France, so Hurricanes can officially only be called hurricanes if they develop in the tropics - mainly because it is so rare for them to develop elsewhere.
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Thanks for the clarification there, I feel a bit less dozy on the subject now. :) --e
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I think that I can count on the fingers of one hand (and I could probably still do so if I was a three-toed sloth!) the number of times I've heard thunder in the past year down south - which is where Larkhall would have been. It is unusual enough for me to take note of it, and get excited about it! :D
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I would agree, that in the last few years in particular, in the south especially, the weather is a lot more stable in the summer now, so it doesn't trigger as many storms as it has done in the past. I can remember living in London, Essex and Berkshire and all getting 3 or 4 nice sunny days, followed usually by thunder storms over the summer on a much more frequent scale, but certainly the pattern has only really begun to shift noticeably over the last 4 or 5 years.

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That's most interesting ILMJN. I would have expected the higher temperatures in summer to have triggered even more thunderstorms. Certainly at the moment, even a decent downpour in summer is an exciting event! Ah, the mysteries of global warming!
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A misconception about the temperature. It only plays one part in how a storm can develop and storms develop all over the world, from the tropics to Alaska.
The three main components needed for a storm are:
1.) A source of low to mid-level moisture
2.) Atmospheric instability
3.) A source of lift

The most common thunderstorm is called a air mass storm - which means they often develop later in the day as surface heating is at its most intense (the hottest part of a day in the summer is actually between 4 and 5 pm).

Now if you want to, below is a more in-depth reason behind a storm developing if you want to read on........ But some might not be that interested in the concept. lol

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As air near the ground warms, it rises. When water vapour is present in the lower and middle levels of the atmosphere, it rises along with the heated air and condenses. This forms cloud droplets which make up the visible clouds we see. As the vapour condenses, heat, (called "latent heat"), is released. This makes air inside the forming cloud warmer and less dense than the surrounding air. This added heat allows the air inside the cloud to continue to rise. The more water vapour there is, the greater the potential for thunderstorm development.

Instability is the second necessary condition for thunderstorm development. An unstable atmosphere will have warm, moist air near the ground and cold dry air above. This condition allows heated air to continue to rise because the warm air is more buoyant and less dense. Condensation augments this process due to the release of latent heat we discussed above.

The third necessary condition for thunderstorms is a source of lift. In a moist, unstable air mass, some mechanism must get the air moving up. There are several ways air can be lifted. "Differential heating" is the most common source of lift. This is caused the Sun heating different parts of the ground unequally. Warm pockets of air are created just above the warmer surface areas. Another lift mechanism is "upslope", where warm air flows up the side of a mountain and is pushed up by the terrain. Air may also be lifted by the passage of a frontal system, along a dryline or outflow boundary or along a wind convergence zone.

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Thanks for our ongoing education as to the intricacies of the English weather ILMJN - now in the past 2 days we've had lessons not only on English law, but on climatology too! :D Who said this board isn't educational?!
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I paused the scenes where Helen reads the Judges Recommendations (2.07)
It reads as follows:-

I hereby recommend that Ms Wade for the committing murder the sentence to be LIFE IMPRISONMENT (15 YEARS ) Ms Wade showed no remorse for the life she has taken and I therefore recommend that she should serve TEN YEARS BEFORE BEING CONSIDERED FOR PAROLE
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Yeah right as if a cop killer would be up for parole at the 10 year mark. That is too low and unrealistic. In the LIFE IMPRISONMENT entry in wikipedia.com it states in the UK, murderers must serve 15 years minimum.
I really think the Art Dept. made an error there. Twelve year parole must of been the correct amount.

ETA: Been doing more research. I really think the 10 year parole is a continuity error.

1.04 Nikki has been in prison 2 years already. Nikki tells Trish she can be out in 10 years time.
2.06 Helen visits Nikki, Nikki tells her she has 9 MORE years to serve.
2.07 About 12 months have past from 1.04 - Crystal near release, given 12mths- shoplifting. Which means Nikki in prison 3 years already.
2.07 In the beginning of this Ep Nikki tells Helen again she has 9 MORE years to serve before let out.
3.16 Nikki is released about 6 months later wins appeal for manslaughter.

I really think Nikki's was given at least a 12 year Life Sentence.
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