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World Premiere; A Holiday Gift for H/N fans
Topic Started: Dec 22 2006, 05:19 PM (2,034 Views)
abzug
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Hehe, I am laughing at myself now. Why did I think that lyric was "stay" rather than "stare"? Well, the scene works with the lyric either way, and Jeanna, thanks for that frame by frame breakdown. Of COURSE Helen looks at Nikki's tits in that scene! How could she not, after what's just happened. Brilliant acting on Simone's part, because she doesn't overdo it.
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She never does. There's also something I find incredibly endearing about the 'rumor' shot--Helen telling Sean Nikki dragged her into her cell yada yada: when Helen looks up at Sean to lie to him barefared, it's always reminded me a bit of a really truculent little kid. Like when they think they're being really sly & putting one over on you & you're like, wow, I don't know whether to be more amused at how blatant this is or irritated you think grownups are this gullible. There's just a drop of that in that look, for me. It's one of the only places I've ever found SL's performance to be, well... kinda cute, really, in an unlikely way (given the circumstances and the character...). Like: if I open my eyes *extra*-wide & don't blink, this will *absolutely* convey I am telling the truth.
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Dec 23 2006, 11:35 AM
Like: if I open my eyes *extra*-wide & don't blink, this will *absolutely* convey I am telling the truth.

But I always felt like this is exactly what Helen did with Thomas as well. It's like her technique for engaging romantically with men. Remember the scene after Thomas tells her he loves her? She gets that wide-eyed look as if to be indicating emotional openness when in fact it's just the opposite.

Question: Is a tear falling down Nikki's cheek when they kiss outside the bar? I never noticed it before I watched this video, but now I feel pretty certain it's there. Great acting Mandana!
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Dec 23 2006, 12:42 PM
ekny
Dec 23 2006, 11:35 AM
Like: if I open my eyes *extra*-wide & don't blink, this will *absolutely* convey I am telling the truth.

But I always felt like this is exactly what Helen did with Thomas as well. It's like her technique for engaging romantically with men. Remember the scene after Thomas tells her he loves her? She gets that wide-eyed look as if to be indicating emotional openness when in fact it's just the opposite.

Question: Is a tear falling down Nikki's cheek when they kiss outside the bar? I never noticed it before I watched this video, but now I feel pretty certain it's there. Great acting Mandana!

I think that's a different thing she's doing there... --sorry, we could go on about it but it'd take us off-topic...! ;)
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Dec 23 2006, 04:42 PM
Question: Is a tear falling down Nikki's cheek when they kiss outside the bar? I never noticed it before I watched this video, but now I feel pretty certain it's there. Great acting Mandana!

Just rewatched the vid to look over that particular part, and I think I do see a tear rolling down her face. I've never noticed that before either. Well spotted!
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i love this video, well done!
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Quote Jeanna:
"If there was any remaining controversy over whether Helen's eyes returned (or strayed once more) to the place where her hand had just been, we do hope that it is settled definitively here."

And I could swear that she goes back for yet another look at Nikki's...er, assets in the "I'll just ignore it" scene in the library! At about 43 seconds in, her eyes drop to Nikki's lips, then she turns her head away, then turns back, and if I go through frame by frame on the Pause button, I'm pretty sure that at about the 46 second mark, her eyes revisit Nikki's cleavage area! There are clearly some things she just can't ignore! :D
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Heh.

That's one reason why we used slo-mo on that scene as well.
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This video was so good, it was enough to prompt me me to join just so I could heap more praise upon it! (Jeanna knows me from other stomping grounds, but showed it to me as she knows I also enjoy HAN)

Kudos to you both for what has to be the single best fan-made music video I have ever seen! :clap
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Hiya rudeboy, that's very kind of you, thanks so much from both of us... delighted to hear you enjoyed the vid! :) Welcome to the board, long as you're here you should make yourself at home, there's always some interesting discussion going on about the show, fanfic, the works! Cheers, ekny
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hi, again, so now i've taken the trouble of going through it step by step to pick my favourite bits. some of you have already done this to a certain extend (abzug, for example), but my attention focuses mainly on the girls.

first moment - what an opening!!
love nikki's grin after 'you must be shaggin' 'er' (0.09 sec)

helens expression (0.21 sec) - that one moment when her eyes widen, she looks at nikki

helen's laugh (0,47/48) - isn't that in the library, regarding loving women? 'laughed just a little too loud....' haha and nikki's smirk after that!! lovely!

i also appreciate the garden shed scene following but it's not one of my favs (loved your detailed account of it though)

the scene in the garden with monica (the wind in their hair, very nice .....ohh) (from 1.04 sec)

nikki's LOOK (from 1.18 sec on) that never seems to stop, it's so intense!! so much love and wanting - never appreciated it that much before!

'could you be falling for me???' (1.33 sec onwards) my goodness, she's certainly got expressive eyes!!!

'thinking bout you every day' (1.44 sec folllowing)

'i'm hoping that you feel the same way...' helen's changing expressions! glorious! (1.54 - 56)

'let's give them something to talk about, a little mystery...' the way they adore each other (2.14-19 'love, love, love')

helen's smile (2.23) whooosh! in love!
barbara's smile (so indulgent and happy!) (2.26)

nikkis grin (2.52-54) and again (same type of smile, brilliantly picked!!!) (3.10-14) - so knowing!

and the kiss... i've never seen so clearly how the go for second helpings. yummy!!!
the ending is soo cheeky, love it!!!

and not to forget the two shots of shell - i loved those! and of course the contrast of all the talkers, but i guess that goes without saying.

so, after hacking it to bits i had to see it whole again to get over the analytical approach.

thanks so much for so much enjoyment!!!

barbara :ph43r:
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What at great video! It's a wonder more people didn't figure out what was up with Helen & Nikki besides Fenner. LOL!

I especially loved Karen's expression when she closed the door after Nikki gave Helen the letter. "And I mean every word!"

Thanks very much for this :)
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Dec 23 2006, 11:11 PM
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Dec 23 2006, 04:42 PM
Question: Is a tear falling down Nikki's cheek when they kiss outside the bar?  I never noticed it before I watched this video, but now I feel pretty certain it's there.  Great acting Mandana!

Just rewatched the vid to look over that particular part, and I think I do see a tear rolling down her face. I've never noticed that before either. Well spotted!

hmmm. i don't think it's a tear. i think MJ just has a small flesh-colored beauty mark here. it's on her cheek in the same spot in the immediately preceding clip, as she's leaving larkhall and doing her little black power hand thing (which i always found a little awkward).

actually, as i watch for evidence of the alleged beauty mark, i'm starting to feel a little nuts. does MJ have a brown beauty on her left cheek or her right cheek (or both (or neither))? in the kiss-outside-the-bar scene, there's one on her right cheek (as shown in this video, anyway). but look at the images in abzug's signature (sorry for shamelessly using your accidentally convenient image array, abzug), specifically the third and fifth. doesn't it look like the mark is on her left cheek, and not her right? i only noticed since i wanted to see if i can indeed see the tear doppelganger, and i wanted to know for sure which cheek to look at. who's flipping these images around, or did the makeup department just drop the ball or something?
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Dec 24 2006, 04:16 PM
i don't think it's a tear. i think MJ just has a small flesh-colored beauty mark here.


It could be. Might have to do a bit of research into Mandana's beauty marks.

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does MJ have a brown beauty on her left cheek or her right cheek (or both (or neither))?

It's on her left cheek. The wonderful makers of this vid flipped that last clip. If you watch an actual clip of that final scene, Nikki is on the right-hand side of the screen, and Helen's on the left.
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Dec 24 2006, 06:40 PM
It's on her left cheek. The wonderful makers of this vid flipped that last clip. If you watch an actual clip of that final scene, Nikki is on the right-hand side of the screen, and Helen's on the left.

argh! i thought they were facing the other way in that final scene. but i haven't watched it in a while, so i wasn't sure.

ekny, jeanna, why flip that scene? did you do that with any others?
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