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| The L Word; Season 4, not bad | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 22 2007, 06:16 PM (4,852 Views) | |
| Canadabadgirl | Feb 13 2007, 02:42 AM Post #46 |
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Loved the editing during the gambling scenes - mixed feelings about the split-screen opening sequence, though. I laughed a lot during the episode and like the fact that Papi is developing into a complete character. "You had bad sex with Papi?" Excellent. I agree about the beginning of the love scene with Bette and Jodi. They should have left it at "Don't worry about getting dirty". Less really would have been more because it just lost intensity after that. I wanted to leave the room during the Jenny confrontation scene, but give the cow her due, she looked Lindsey in the face and admitted what an ass she'd been. I just felt so awful for that poor woman having got involved with TWO such terrible characters in such a short space of time. Bad things happening to good fictional people. Completely believable, though. I guess that's the last we'll see of her and that's a shame. I'm curious about what Helena will have to do to pay off her debt... |
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| poedgie | Feb 13 2007, 05:51 PM Post #47 |
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I felt the same. I cringed through it.
Yes, it will be interesting to see what is in store for Helena...she was definitely set up. We should all have a boss like Bette. Say what you will about her temperment; loyalty counts for a lot. It seems that she brought James over from the CCC to serve once more as her PA. |
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| invisicoll | Feb 15 2007, 04:04 AM Post #48 |
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I was watching a vlog with Ilene Chaiken and Angela Robinson and they actually said the words, "The great idea of this season [re: Jenny] was just to go ahead and make Jenny a villian." I'm really surprised that they admitted that, considering Jenny has always been one of Ilene's alteregos. But it's exactly where I thought they were going and it has allowed me to be less irritated with her character this season. This is another vlog with Jennifer Beals & IC. |
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Hollamby – “Alright! Let’s have you!” Nikki – “In your dreams, love.” | |
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| orlando | Feb 15 2007, 06:54 PM Post #49 |
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Anyone know about Lizzy The Lezzy? She's an animated character and here's her take on the L Word http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...eoid=1571330448 It's pretty funny - especially her take on the godawful theme song in the end
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| Canadabadgirl | Feb 16 2007, 05:37 PM Post #50 |
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Thanks for the link. That was funny! I wish I felt the way she does about Max, though...
I like those vlogs and the fact that the shows creators are confident enough to let viewers into the creative process. I'm just surprised that Showtime hasn't nixed them, since they're so protective of their original shows and leaks to potential viewers, to the point where there web site isn't even accessible to IP addresses outside the US. |
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| abzug | Feb 16 2007, 05:44 PM Post #51 |
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I have to admit I find the idea of Jenny-as-villain to be slightly disturbing. This is a character whom they've asked us to relate to and feel for over the course of 3 seasons. You can't just suddenly decide "she's a villain!"--it's not fair to the viewers. I buy the business with the reviewer and her girlfriend, but Jenny's treatment of Tina and the business with story in the New Yorker don't ring true to me--they just seem part of this "ooh, Jenny can be the villain in our soap opera! How fun!" A person doesn't just become a villain. I mean, to use a BG example, it took Di a number of seasons and a few triggers to become the sadistic evil thing she wound up being by S7. |
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| Canadabadgirl | Feb 16 2007, 06:38 PM Post #52 |
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I agree with you. The New Yorker story thing was just so OFF. Jenny can become a villain in the way Wagner was a villain - brilliant, arrogant, deluded and insensitive to his fellow human being. But you lose the "brilliant" part and you might as well paint a "Dick Dastardly" mustache on her and expect us to gasp in pre-conditioned fear like cartoon characters. Nevertheless, I'll try to keep an open mind... I think your parallel to Di is perfect. I objected to what was done to Di in s3 of BG as well and I found it completely unbelievable. Not to take the thread OT, but Di went from being creepy and believably threatening in the small, artificial world of Larkhall as a classic erotomaniac, to being the shrink-wrapped "baddie" as required for various storylines. (A similar disservice was done to Fenner.) The difference between LW and BG is that the creators actually give the viewers a forum for feedback no matter how negative (or just plain nuts), so maybe someone will find a way to explain to them that a character most viewers "love to hate" doesn't need to be artifically and uncharacteristically hateful to be compelling. Hey, how about the Helena/Bette coupling being brought to Jenner Beals's attention? Although I think that ship has sailed, since Helena is no longer a competing alpha-female so some of the hotness is automatically gone. Still... |
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| abzug | Feb 16 2007, 07:53 PM Post #53 |
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One thing I'd add, CBG, is that with Di and Fenner, although they got extreme in the later seasons, their shifts to more extreme behavior were always earned or justified. There was always something that upped the ante for Fenner, each time. In the end, all those upped antes led to a ridiculous caricature, that's for sure, but each step made at least some sense. There's an interview with Jennifer Beals and Marlee Matlin on AOL: http://television.aol.com/tv-celebrity-int...s-marlee-matlin Some choice bits from the interview, including an explanation for why the chemistry in their sex scene wasn't great: Does your friendship make the hook-up scenes easier to shoot? Beals: Oh, it's horrible. We laugh hysterically the whole time. It's horrible, it's horrible. I try to be professional, and she looks at me and gives me one little look of mischief and we just lose it, and it takes forever to shoot. And, it looks like Marlee is back for S5 (pertinent part underlined): Since the show shoots in Vancouver, how has it impacted your personal life? Matlin: They were very accomodating. When I started, the kids were out of school for the summer and were busy with camp and vacation with grandma and grandpa. They almost forgot that I was in Vancouver even though I would come home every weekend, so I think maybe next year I'm going to have to change that schedule. (Laughs) It worked out very smoothly. |
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| Canadabadgirl | Feb 17 2007, 03:07 AM Post #54 |
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I'm glad Matlin will be back. I don't think it's unusual to have a couple dealing with the fact that one has/wants kids and the other doesn't. Especially since the feelings seem to be so extreme on that particular subject. With regard to Fenner, I think the character jumped the shark for me when nobody followed the money in investigating Virginia's death when even a cursory look would have meant the end for him. Even the most incompetent cops would have been trained to ask "who benefits" and be required to examine her finances to see if she was running her empire from behind bars and how, since that could create as much motive for murder as anything that happened behind bars. Maybe I was just expecting too much because I read a lot of crime stories, but if a show is going to venture into that kind of storyline, it should make an effort - and ifthey couldn't afford to lose Fenner as a baddie, they shold have had him bow out of Virginia's business before having her killed. And that's just one example that I remember off the top of my head. I'm afraid that Jenny's story arc might venture into the same all-purpose-villain territory. Let's just hope that the show doesn't abandon its politics completely by deeming date rape as an appropriate "comeuppance" to punish her for bad behavior.
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| abzug | Feb 17 2007, 04:51 AM Post #55 |
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This always bothered me too, until I started thinking about it in a totally different way. I don't know if that theory is the kind of thing you groove on, CBG, but it helped me be MUCH less impatient with the lack of realism in all the criminal investigations on Bad Girls.
God, I hope not. That would be a sad trajectory for this show. But wait, Jenny is going to be date raped? Huh? I mean, I haven't been reading spoilers for this show, but that seems a little extreme, even for TLW. Blech. |
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| Canadabadgirl | Feb 17 2007, 05:48 AM Post #56 |
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Thanks for the link. I agree with much of what was in that essay (I believe Virginia's murderer Al *was* convicted, though, wasn't she? So at least one Larkhall crime was solved!). I wasn't impatient with the investigators in the show because I don't believe that labs are as effective as the ones on CSI or that detectives are as brilliant and well-read as Goren on L&O: CI. My impatience with the Virginia investigation was that the storyline was so contrived - possibly to wrap up the Helen Stewart story arc and get Lahbib out of the show. It isn't even mentioned in this essay because it didn't fit the thesis. Fenner killed a cash cow because wanted to keep Yvonne in prison?! Virginia herself was a pedator, not a victim and it was implausible that she made no attempt to protect herself from Fenner. That was the first "invincible Fenner" moment and it was the moment I started to care less. Sorry, sorry - no, Jenny isn't going to be date-raped, but the people at Shed were very smug about Fenner's "comeuppance" and then we found out it was date rape. I found that disturbing because there were 14-year-olds on message boards cheering for a "rape as revenge" storyline. It just seemed wrong, like every political aspect of s4. OT - Did Max flash the HR officer? |
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| poedgie | Feb 17 2007, 08:34 AM Post #57 |
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Has TLW been officially renewed for a season 5? Does anybody know?I read somewhere that the ratings are down this year. |
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| abzug | Feb 17 2007, 03:23 PM Post #58 |
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Oh, thank GOD!!! I was actually really worried about this, because I was thinking to myself, if this is what's going to happen to Jenny, I'm not sure I can continue watching the show. I responded to the other part of your post in another thread, since we actually had a thread that fit the topic, and lately we've been a bit more organized in our threads here, haven't we?
I heard it was, but for the life of me I can't recall where. AfterEllen maybe? |
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| Canadabadgirl | Feb 18 2007, 05:11 AM Post #59 |
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Replied to you on the other thread, although I think I've exhausted by ability to analyze BG... About Max, did he flash that guy at the end of the episode? I just wonder how literally he "outed" himself. |
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| poedgie | Feb 18 2007, 08:58 AM Post #60 |
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I think you're right! I totally missed that first time around. I must have been in the bathroom, if Max is on the screen I'm not watching the scene. I checked it out on on-demand and it sure looks like he's going to the fly. The guy had a weird look on his face as the scene ended as well. My girlfriend concurs that he was definitely going to drop trou. |
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