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What the? That's not what it means here.; what words mean in your country
Topic Started: Apr 24 2007, 05:24 PM (7,358 Views)
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solitasolano
May 27 2007, 08:03 PM
The whole "homemade" is often a joke because the pies aren't homemade...the fillings come from a can....
Damn. Another of my many illusions about the Americans shattered. I rather liked that one too!

Cheese and apple pie sounds bizarre. I can't quite imagine how it would taste!

We have meat/savoury pies as well as fruit (including apple pies, apple tarts and Dutch apple pies). Pies aren't folded over - they tend to have a separate pastry lid (though pasty's are folded over). I think a tart has no pastry on top while Dutch apple pies have a pastry lattice? I'm not that sure really! We also have a pudding where we put a thick layer of caramel on top of apples with a pastry base. Must give the cheese one a go sometime though
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Cassandra
May 27 2007, 09:30 PM
We also have a pudding where we put a thick layer of caramel on top of apples with a pastry base.

That sounds delicious! We only have toffee apples, but I'm quite sure it's not unique to SA.

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Must give the cheese one a go sometime though

:eek Are you crazy, woman?!

We also have a thing called a Tipsy Tart. It's basically a fruity sponge cake type thing, soaked in generous amounts of brandy. Normally also heated and served with cream. Depending on how much of a free hand the baker had with the brandy, you really do get tipsy from the tart, hence its name.

Incidentally, "tart" is also our slang for a woman with loose morals...
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microsofty
May 27 2007, 08:44 PM
That sounds delicious! We only have toffee apples, but I'm quite sure it's not unique to SA.
What we call toffee apples is literally toffee set over the surface of an apple.

microsofty
May 27 2007, 08:44 PM
:eek Are you crazy, woman?!
Yep! Sometimes anyway!

microsofty
May 27 2007, 08:44 PM
We also have a thing called a Tipsy Tart. It's basically a fruity sponge cake type thing, soaked in generous amounts of brandy. Normally also heated and served with cream. Depending on how much of a free hand the baker had with the brandy, you really do get tipsy from the tart, hence its name.
You do get that occasionally on classier menus. Sometime also called 'South African Tipsy Tart' so I guess it is more an SA thing! There are variants so don't know if they are still called tipsy tart or not. Unfortunately I haven't tried it but sounds good!

We also have tiramasu which is a light Italian dessert of sponge cake dipped in a coffee-liqueur mixture, then layered with mascarpone and grated chocolate. Not sure how close it is to the real Italian dessert though.

microsofty
May 27 2007, 08:44 PM
Incidentally, "tart" is also our slang for a woman with loose morals...
Same over here.
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May 27 2007, 11:32 PM
What we call toffee apples is literally toffee set over the surface of an apple.

Yip, same over here. But it is rock hard, I wouldn't risk my teeth on it anymore.

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You do get that occasionally on classier menus. Sometime also called 'South African Tipsy Tart' so I guess it is more an SA thing! There are variants so don't know if they are still called tipsy tart or not. Unfortunately I haven't tried it but sounds good!

Ooooohh, on the classier menus, you say? I'm impressed. Personally I'm not very fond of Tipsy Tart, but that is because I'm not very fond of brandy. In SA people tend to mix their brandy with Coca-Cola, but it's not a classy drink, mostly enjoyed by the more common mentality kind of people. We also call it policeman's coffee - because of its colour and because we don't hold our law enforcement agencies in high regard (links in with the common mentality). Speaking of emergency services, do other parts of the world regard Creme Soda (that sweet, green fuzzy drink) as a remedy for hangovers? We call it the Green Ambulance!

Tipsy Tart is quite easy to make, I can post a recipe if anyone is interested.
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May 27 2007, 10:53 PM
Ooooohh, on the classier menus, you say? I'm impressed.
Well I think so anyway. Maybe its more common in other parts of the UK. But you're right, brandy isn't really a classy drink. Probably partly why people cook with it. Know what you meant by more common mentality kind of people but I can't for the life of me think of our equivalent (polite) term.

microsofty
May 27 2007, 10:53 PM
Speaking of emergency services, does other parts of the world regard Creme Soda (that sweet, green fuzzy drink) as a remedy for hangovers? We call it the Green Ambulance!
We have Cream Soda (which according to Wikipedia is the same thing) but I thought it was clear (sort of implied by the Wiki article). Not sure about hangovers, we mainly use Irn Bru in Scotland.

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May 27 2007, 10:53 PM
Tipsy Tart is quite easy to make, I can post a recipe if anyone is interested.
If it's not too much trouble then yes thanks. Though it might be a while before I get round to trying it out. So no hurry!
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i don't know if tassiedevil2 is still reading this thread, but in today's paper in toronto, there was a small article about how Warner Bros. will donate money from the sale of DVD's featuring Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck to help efforts to save the tasmanian devil, because they had a Looney Tunes character Taz, the whirling growling rival of Bugs Bunny. Apparently, they'll donate one Aussie dollar for each sale from a series of DVD's to be released in Australia. Let's hope it helps.

You two going on about desserts. I have to say I've always loved the stuff in the bakeries in Scotland. Sounds like some good stuff in S.A. too.

In Scotland, you can get something that looks like a pancake, but has a bit of sweetness to it and we used to put margarine on it and have it with tea. Can't remember what it was called. And then there are the vanilla slices..mmmmm

And any pie was always made better, in my opinion, by smothering it in custard, especially rhubarb pie.

The cream soda in north america is red. Never heard of it being used as a hangover recipe. We just drink lots of water and pop aspirin and hope for the best.
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And any pie was always made better, in my opinion, by smothering it in custard, especially rhubarb pie.

Oh yeah, me too, and do I have a great receipe for just this, Custard Rhubarb Pie. :rolleyes:

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Do Americans call all baked pastries with a filling a pie? For example, in SA a pie is normally a folded-over baked pastry with a meat filling of some sorts. Other baked pastries that are not folded over and which is filled with something besides meat, for example apples, would be called a tart. Like an apple tart, as opposed to an apple pie. I have never had it with cheese, we normally heat it up and have it with a generous dash of freshly whipped cream.

Folded over baked pastry in the US is usually called a turnover, but of course there's exceptions. Italian Americans make spinach pies, etc...but that's more a savory thing made with a pizza dough not pastry...
To me a tart doesn't have a lid ie. a crust, lattice, crisp or crumble top and/or topping. And here fruit pies tend to be eaten with vanilla ice cream. Whipped cream is used on pies without a crust such as pumpkin, peacan, or, ummmm, fresh strawberry.

Never heard of a Tipsy Tart.
Here's the pie case I photographed at the diner in Williams, Arizona, The Pines Restaurant.
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Thanks for picture, solitasolano. Pies look delicious. Mmmm ..... right, that's it ...... I'm emigrating there!

Fruit in folded over pastry is also known as turnovers here. I think meat in folded over pastry is generally known as pasty's. Never quite understood why sometimes you get ice cream with pies and sometimes whipped cream. Your explanation may be true over here as well!

aj57
May 28 2007, 02:31 AM
You two going on about desserts.  I have to say I've always loved the stuff in the bakeries in Scotland.  Sounds like some good stuff in S.A. too.
microsofty's koeksisters (from earlier in the thread) sound fantastic anyway. :)

aj57
May 28 2007, 02:31 AM
In Scotland, you can get something that looks like a pancake, but has a bit of sweetness to it and we used to put margarine on it and have it with tea.
Well, what I call a real pancake is small, round and sweet. Called a Scotch Pancake elsewhere. Pancakes in England are more like big crepes. Was that what you meant?

My mouth is distinctly watering now! I knew logging on just as I was about to head off to work was a BIG mistake :( ....... Custard Rhubarb Pie .... Mmmm ..... *licks lips*
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We're like little old ladies in a retirement village, exchanging recipes!

Tipsy tart
Ingredients
65 g butter/margarine
180 ml sugar
250 g pitted dates
375 ml boiling water
5 ml bicarbonate of soda
2 eggs
375 ml cake flour
5 ml baking powder
2 ml salt
125 ml chopped walnuts
250 ml sugar
125 ml water
5 ml vanilla essense
65 ml brandy
60 g margarine

Method:
1. Mix margarine, sugar, dates and boiling water with bicarbonate of soda in a mixing bowl and leave to cool. Beat eggs and add to mixture.
2. Sift flour, baking powder and salt together and add nuts to date mixture. Mix well.
3. Spoon into a greased ovenproof dish and bake in a preheated oven at 180 °C for 30 minutes.
4. To make syrup: Boil sugar, water and margarine together for 15 minutes. Add essence and brandy.
5. Remove tart from oven and pour syrup over. Serve with cream or custard.

Depending on how "strong" you want your tart, you can increase the amount of brandy to about 100 ml.

The end product:

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The cream soda in north america is red.

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We have Cream Soda (which according to Wikipedia is the same thing) but I thought it was clear (sort of implied by the Wiki article).

Our Creme Soda is very much green, hence it is called the Green Ambulance when used to cure a hangover. It is a very sweet (soft) drink, so I take it that it is the huge amounts of sugar in the drink that's supposed to aid the hangover.

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Pastries yummy
Had a look at my cook book.

Short Pastry - used for savoury items, Quiches, etc - basically just butter, flour, salt

Sweet Pastry - used for Tarts, Peacan Pie/Tart etc, butter, flour, sugar, egg

Puff Pastry - about 7 folds, 500g flour, 400g butter, (very fattening) used for Turnovers, Petit Palmiers, Cheese Straws, Vol au Vents etc

Danish Pastries - similar to Puff Pastry, but has yeast, malt, egg, sugar, milk - used for Bear Paws, Apricot Danish etc

Choux Pastry - used for Eclairs, Profiteroles, - butter, salt, flour, eggs



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May 27 2007, 11:35 PM
We're like little old ladies in a retirement village, exchanging recipes!

LOL, of course. A receipe in milliliters and grams instead of ounzes and teaspoons, tablespoons, or cups.

Visiting my sister in Montana next week for my neice's graduation. She says her rhubard plants are going crazy so I'm looking to bring some home.

Rhubarb Custard Pie
3 Cups fressh rhubarb cut into cubes
1 1/2 Cups sugar
2 Tablespoons cornstarch
3 eggs (1 whole +2 yokes - save the 2 egg whites for meringue topping-optional)
1 Cup milk
1/2 Teaspoon nutmeg
1 unbaked pie shell
Fill the pie shell with rhubarb. In bowl mix together sugar, cornstarch, eggs and milk. Pour mixture over rhubarb and sprinkle with nutmeg. Bake at 375 degrees for 1 hour or until set. Let pie cool for 45 minutes before adding meringue to cook for 15 minutes oe until golden brown.


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solitsolano and microsofty: thanks to you two little old ladies for the recipes. Not much of a baker myself, but i'm sure i can con someone else into baking them. As a matter of fact, my niece has just taken up baking...

I know someone who bakes the rhubarb custard pie and I have to admit i make a pig of myself when she serves it. However, she was keeping the recipe a family secret.

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Well, what I call a real pancake is small, round and sweet. Called a Scotch Pancake elsewhere. Pancakes in England are more like big crepes. Was that what you meant?


Exactly. Pancakes in n.a. are also more like crepes - but thicker I would say, but not sweet in themselves. That's where good old Canadian maple syrup comes in.
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Thanks very much for the recipes, solitasolano and microsofty!

:eek :eek :eek OMG! ..... little old ladies ..... exchanging recipes :eek :eek :eek See what you mean! :err

I'm not much of a cook either! But I have been known to try out a few recipes on special occasions. Both of those definitely look worth trying! Though as I said it might be a little while before I get round to it.

Em ..... solitasolano ..... am I right in thinking that 1 cup = 240 ml?

Thanks for the picture, microsofty. At least I now know what it's supposed to look like! Normally I have to just use my imagination! :) Hope you are feeling better soon.

So, why is cream soda different colours for each country? How bizarre!
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May 28 2007, 10:01 PM
Hope you are feeling better soon.

Ah, thanks doll. I'm now doped up to the eyeballs!

Btw, I think 1 cup = 250 ml.
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MMmnn Milk tart!!! I did kill for some milk tart...

Tipsy tart is also very yummy... the Boere tannies (sorry .. I forget.. Aunties) make them the best...

My mom makes a mean Apple tart....

QUestion ... Have any of you tasted Sweet pumpkin??? With Cinnamon, sugar???

Nother one.. I need a recipe for good Kumra??? ANy new Zealanders out there???

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