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| unfinished business; Bad Girls / Judge John Deed trilogy | |
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| Andliv2laf | Oct 2 2008, 02:21 AM Post #151 |
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Awesome Richard...and Emtsue, I will follow you anywhere! As usual I agree with the woman Richard! The only thing I really have to add is that John's sad state is terrible...poor man, all the women around him have found love...he lost his long term affair...hoped to reconcile with George, and as he sits and faces the friends that now surround him, they are all happy women in love....kinda ironic as he's been using them all these years, but sad all the same! I'm like Emtsue, you just want hug him and tell him love will come his way someday! Well, he's got friends, real friends and they will see him through...if they can fight together and confine this intruder! Only time will tell! Thanks again Richard, your writing is greatly appreciated!
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| hopelessromantic | Oct 4 2008, 01:14 PM Post #152 |
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Nice break down of the Scene as always emtsue and AL2L Richard great stuff really and love the Cliffhanger... Cheers HR |
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| richard | Oct 4 2008, 01:27 PM Post #153 |
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What totally brilliant feedback! There’s a common thread that comes out and that is your affection for John and awareness of both his good qualities and how fallible he is – kind of another Shed archetype character. To you Emtsue. I’ve been thinking what I can put to cap these posts and my starting point is this sentence of Emtsue’s which encapsulates the situation .”It sounds as though John only ever wanted someone beside him to fight those battles of injustice,and now that George is on the same track,he's totally missed the boat.” You’ve lighted on the way that Helen has learnt the facility of translating words back and forth with feelings in the transparent way she now does compared with her Larkhall days. It’s fascinating to read these observations that show how fair minded you are and seeing everything from all perspectives. What is positive that is going for John is that he’s willing to talk. In earlier times, he would have used his verbal skills to dodge the point. and, as we speak, I’ve just written a piece that will see the light of day in six months time, influenced by these discussions. I can’t resist including a snippet of a John comment to Helen that I’ve just written. ”I think that I’ve just scraped through the extremely exacting Nikki and Helen course in human relationships.” To you, Andlif2laf, you’ve got the exact perspective for the newfound friendships that John has found that will be the saving of him. You have depicted very clearly how alone he is and what’s missing from his life and, very neatly, how his past mistakes have caught up with him. To you, HR, I'm thankful for your very tangible and kind support and your sense of the cliffhanger. |
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| richard | Oct 6 2008, 04:45 PM Post #154 |
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At last, the cliffhanger unveiled and I was extremely interested in the possible alternative of the accomplice of Sir Ian. This is Fenner trying to terrorise Nikki and Helen into not acting against him and life’s poetic irony that the one night he calls, there’s the knight in shining armour who had a bit of forewarning than Nikki and Helen did and being dressed does help. I’ve featured a bit of a debate about feminism and John’s more far reaching sense of the ramifications of the situation. As usual, fenner underestimates his enemy. I’ve pitched Nikki and Helen having a greater personal insight than John and John having the edge in a matter like this. I’ve faithfully reproduced John’s backstory from the Judge John deed TV series which, if this is taken as ‘reality’ and my fic as ‘fiction’ makes for the interesting sense that truth is stranger than fiction. Enjoy. PS- this is unbetaed so excuse any glitches. ................................................................................................................... Scene Twenty Two Inside the house, a human form curled up on the settee pricked up his ears. He heard faint sounds, foreign to the house. Something felt wrong. In the main bedroom, Helen and Nikki were curled up together in dreamland, in the most peaceful sleep of their lives when a deafening crash smashed its way into their perceptions followed by a painfully illuminating blaze of white light. Both women instinctively clung together, trying to figure out what the hell was going on. Was this some simultaneous bad dream? “You bitches. You thought you’d put one over me. This is payback time. You’ll regret that you ever stuck your interfering dyke noses into my business. I’ll make sure you’re sorry,” snarled that hated voice, whose owner’s footsteps they had been dogging. To the horrified women, this was a vision from hell. This couldn’t be happening. They were only aware of split second confused impressions of the glowering features of the man they most hated above all else till the light blinded them. “Fenner,” exclaimed Helen, feeling mingled rage and helplessness at this detested harsh voice breaking into their life. Half blinded, dressed in a skimpy nightie, an overpowering feeling of inadequacy to fight back while his presence in their flat made her feel violated. She felt humiliated to be at such a disadvantage. “We’ll report you to the police,” gasped Nikki at last, the law-abiding citizen. “Will you, Wade? I’ve still got that bus ticket, ‘Nurse Ford’s’ coat and that autographed book. You do that and your girlfriend’s headed straight for the clink.” The two women were temporarily frozen in horror. After all their respectable existence, that old incident had come back to haunt them. “You’re wrong there,” cut in the unmistakable male speaking voice in steely tones. Fenner jumped out of his skin at this unexpected twist. This was the last thing he expected as John appeared barefoot, hair rumpled, dressed in black trousers and a white shirt. “You’re joking, granddad,” Fenner sneered,” I suppose you’re Wade’s dad?” “Wrong again, Fenner,” John answered in a perfectly controlled tone of voice though inwardly he was raging. He’d heard all about this man and he was just as evil as was described. The man was his natural enemy and John didn’t need to be told which side to be on. “So I suppose you get a kick out of two lezzer dykes,” Fenner snarled.” Very tabloid friendly.” “I’ve heard enough from you. Get out of here,” snapped John, instantly squaring up for the fight that he knew must be coming. The two women’s eyesight and ability to cope were both starting to return to normal. They were grateful for John’s intervention but both women felt that this was their battle. They had mixed feelings about male testosterone taking charge of events. “You’re going to make me? You’re ready to collect your old age pension,” Fenner sneered. “On behalf of my friends, I will,” came the determined reply . An evil grin spread across Fenner’s face as he anticipated making short work of this ageing fool. He threw the first punch at John’s face but mysteriously, the blow failed to land home. The same happened to his next wild swing at John’s face. What he didn’t know was that the older man had long experience of fencing and his razor sharp reactions enabled him to dodge this crude assault. At the crucial moment when Fenner was off balance, John hit the younger man with a left and a right. Fenner folded up under these unexpectedly deadly blows, red faced and gasping. “Get out,” John commanded in tones of barely restrained fury.” Get out and never darken this flat again.” As the younger man failed to move, John grabbed him by the jacket collar and, with surprising strength, manhandled him to the front door. By now, both women had recovered from their astonishment at an unexpected side of John’s accomplishments. Just as Helen was about to open the front door, Fenner made one last attempt to blackmail his way out of the situation. “Those dykes will pay for this. Wade broke out of prison and she and Stewart were shagging. Harbouring an escaped criminal, they call it,” Fenner snarled. John’s Olympian laughter beat this man verbally to his knees. Fenner felt humiliated by this man who had beaten him physically who now attacked him with crisp precise logic. “You couldn’t be further mistaken. I have it on the best authority, believe me. I helped hear Nikki Wade’s reappeal at the Court of Appeal and her record was wiped clean. Therefore, harbouring an escaped incarcerated woman, if it ever happened is no crime.” As Helen opened the door, John slung him out of the door, down the short flight of steps to land spread-eagled on the pavement, his face bruised by the impact. ******** There was a faint but unmistakable swagger in John’s manner as they made their way back to the living room. He was totally unprepared for the verbal onslaught. “What the hell were you doing, John? Were you acting the knight-errant to rescue two damsels in distress? It’s really your male ego at work. Don’t you know that the two of us are pretty tough and can take out this bastard Fenner between us,” Helen shouted angrily, her hair tousled and her eyes shooting green flame. “Will you shut up the pair of you and listen to me,” shouted John. 'Taking out Fenner? Just what exactly do you mean by that? Both of you have far too much history with Fenner. He’s Gossard in another form. If either of you had got your hands on him, you could have seriously overstepped the mark.” “So I am a violent cop killer after all,” flared back Nikki.”Come on, say it, tell us we might have killed him.” “Nikki, I’m as capable of as much violence as the next person. I’ll tell you a story. A very dangerous enforcer for a crooked CEO of a mobile phone company came close to pushing Jo Mills out of a tenth floor window. He sabotaged my car, which Jo borrowed by accident. He caused her to run off the road at high speed, and she ended up in intensive care. When I’d just visited her in hospital, this man posing as a nurse tried to stab me with a syringe only my wallet was in the way by sheer luck. I turned round and smashed him in the back of the neck with an oxygen bottle and while I lay on the ground, booted him hard in the ribs. I didn’t kill him but I could have done. My story goes to show is that I know about my own capacity for violence. So far from disentitling me to remain a judge, I like to think that this gives me insight and understanding. It’s about the situations that people get into, sometimes by sheer accident, sometimes by choice. I apologize for the one and only time in my life that I’ll ever impose on you but I hope you’ll understand just why I acted the way I did.” Nikki stood open mouthed at John’s almost unnaturally calm and precise tone of voice. She was astounded at what John had to say but, more than that, this flow of pure reason was filtered through her intellect and entered her soul. Helen was similarly dazzled by his incisive logic, which made solid unbreakable structures whose purity could not be gainsaid. “Jesus, I can’t believe what I’m hearing…but as it’s coming from you, I trust you implicitly, John. I’m only sorry for shooting my mouth off at you.” “Me too. What worries me is aren’t you’re putting your own neck on the line,” added Helen, concern written all over her face. “I can get away with this fracas more easily than you two. Gut instinct tells me that it wouldn’t take much for you to be dragged back into the public arena. I’m more securely placed because of my position. The last time a judge left his office prematurely was by resignation at century and a half ago. I can be impeached but it takes a vote of both houses of parliament to do so.” “If you weren’t a judge, you’d make a great prison governor.You really think fast on your feet,” said Helen admiringly. John’s quick thinking drew her admiration. John laughed heartily as he straightened out his clothing. He knew that this was Helen’s highest compliment and he accepted the praise graciously. “If some of the women at ‘Chix’ could see us now,” Nikki said in her inimitably ironic take of the situation. “The same might be said if the brethren saw us now,” laughed John and Nikki and Helen joined him. They sank back on the sofa trying to mellow down for the night now that these emotional tensions had been cleared away. A warm feeling of comradeship united them. “You beat the shit out of Fenner. Yvonne Atkins, a mate of mine still in Larkhall, would be very impressed.” “Do you regularly engage in fisticuffs or is this a ‘two off’ incident?” Helen added to Nikki’s dry observation. “Actually, there is a third occasion. A petty crook once gave evidence of supplying class ‘A’ drugs and buying stolen mobile phones and had done a deal with the CPS. I suggested that he’d been given an indecently light sentence and I promised to take this up with the attorney general. He lost his temper, charged over to assault me. I must confess I defended myself pretty robustly and effectively.” “It all happens in the busy life of John Deed,” Helen said in gently affectionate tones and, to the amusement of both women, he visibly preened himself. He was a typical guy in some ways but they both felt a warm affection for him as they had got to know the man behind the charismatic judge and hero figure. Suddenly a wave of tiredness swept over Helen as the emotional reaction hit her. While it was pleasant to listen to John’s stories, she needed her bed. Neither she nor Nikki wanted to think how events could have turned out if Fenner had called on any other night. “Come on, we’d better grab some sleep while we can. Thank God it’s the weekend,” sighed Nikki. The three of them were bright enough to know how light hearted levity had a serious function in life in defusing the dark side of life. As John went back to the living room, he marvelled to himself that somehow, he hadn’t really taken in the obvious physical charms of the two women. He couldn’t work out why it was the case but it said something about his high regard for them both. |
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| emtsue | Oct 6 2008, 09:22 PM Post #155 |
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Hiya Richard, I see the mutual admiration society of Helen,Nikki ,and John continues to grow stronger as each incident, whether it has to do with the past ,present, or future occurs ,as it should.Helen's intial rage at John charging in on his white horse was,I thought,a natural one,and quite understandable.Nikki and Helen endured extremely painful and in Helen's case physical emotional upheavels due to Fenner's manipulations inside and outside of Larkhall.It only stands to reason that they would want to be the the ones to put a definitive end to that part of their lives,no matter how achieved.That wherein lies the problem, and where John was correct in intervening.On their own, Helen and Nikki will always be in a vulnerable position concerning Larkhall,and "The Bretheren" would take every possible advantage and opportunity to beat them down.They no longer have that power with John,if they ever really did in the first place.But since the re-appeal of Nikki's conviction and the subsequent strike organized by John,it is now a certainty.In this particular situation they needed John to "stand up and be a man" ,to defend them not only against Fenner,but the bretheren and "their" justice system.In John's eyes did this in any way diminish his admiration of these two devoted,strong,and compassionate women.It only made it more so,and cemented in his mind,how proud he was to call them his friends.Being as this is probably a first,having two women as platonic friends,it's quite an accomplishment on his part.As john spoke N & H absorbed all that he said like a sponge and soon there was no doubt that what was being said was the truth and made total sense.I also believe that as with John,the friendship was solidified for both.but even more to the point,that this little threesome need each other ,and not just to fight the good fight,but for the long haul,for life. Richard ,I could tell you put a lot of thought into this chapter( that's not to say you don't usually)but this was different and for once I don't think I can explain it...it's just a feeling.Thank you. ,defend them not only against Fenner,but the bretheren and the system.Helen and Nikki realized almost immediately that what John was saying to them could not be denied. |
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| Andliv2laf | Oct 6 2008, 10:36 PM Post #156 |
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Well Richard, as I see my friend Emtsue made it here first, I agree as usual to her thoughtful reply! I was happy to see the usual Stewart bulldog routine...spot on! I am so happy to see these two...and John develop a friendship of understanding, admiration, respect and at times just plain adoration! Friends like these don't come by often...we meet them in the strangest places under the strangest cirumstances! I like Emtsue think this friendship has the making of a lifelong one...and if anyone needs a friend like John these two do! Well, I don't think John is doing so bad either! Well Richard it was very well written and thought out as usual and I appreciate you time, creativity, and dedication! Thank you! Oh, and Emtsue well said as usual Babe! |
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| richard | Oct 7 2008, 05:31 PM Post #157 |
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Totally incredible feedback from you both. I must admit I was studying the website eagerly to see what you’d come up with. These pieces of composition make such a good prose elaboration to the scene which is everything I could have wished. I am enormously grateful for the creative leap of imagination in exploring this. To you, Emtsue, you guessed right about the composition of this scene- even as I was posting, I did a couple of minor adjustments. I found I had to work at it in doing full justice to see things through the eyes of all people (even Fenner got a bit of a look in). I am incredibly grateful that Helen’s most marked reaction rang true and especially the thoughts behind the boldness of this observation of yours. ‘In this particular situation they needed John to "stand up and be a man" ,to defend them not only against Fenner, but the bretheren and "their" justice system.’ That isn’t a common observation in Bad Girls fanfic and all the more precious for it. As you say, this night really has bonded the three of them and taught them a lot about each other. To you, Andlif2laf, I very much love the way your comment about Helen harks back to her more ‘driven’ behaviour in series 3 and that I love your point that the Nikki and Helen have a mutual need for friendship with John who is coming up in the world. This has all said everything I could have wished for. |
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| richard | Oct 11 2008, 09:50 AM Post #158 |
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This next scene feeds back into the legal battle which echoes an earlier post by Emtsue in Scene 20 where George starts to line up the case and see where it goes. The break in also throws up various perspectives, posing a problem for Helen and Nikki as to what to do about it. Enjoy ................................................................................................................. Scene Twenty-Three What George expected to do on a nice calm Monday morning was simply to pull together the case in a leisurely fashion over a cup of coffee. What she hadn’t expected was a lengthy, intense phone call from Helen, first thing in the morning telling her of the break in the Friday before. She held her hands to her head for awhile as it was obvious to her why John had visited Helen and Nikki. She was sure that he had visited the two women out of desperation. George hadn’t been deceived by his apparent good humour when she last left him. She couldn’t imagine John talking to his male friends about such matters. She ruled Jo Mills out as a confidante about such matters and John certainly didn’t confide in matters of the heart to his casual pickups. The ironical thing was that good had come out of it all. While she smiled at John’s male ego and his readiness to resort to fisticuffs, she was bloody glad he was there. Instantly, she phoned Claire to come over, who had had a similar phone call, to exchange thoughts with her as to where to take the case from here. Claire asked her secretary to take any messages for her and nipped out of the office. She was down at George’s office in no time at all, sipping a cup of tea. She had been looking forward to working with George again as she enjoyed her sharp intelligence, her hospitality and consideration. “OK, this is the situation as I see it, Claire. Thanks to your excellent superspy, Shirley Cheetham, the case as it originally stood has changed out of all recognition and for the better. Nikki’s highly observant friend has really done wonders for us and I hope he is the model witness in court.” “It’s seems typical of anything connected with Larkhall Prison to be not what it seems,” commented Claire and George agreed. “On the face of it, the police had evidence of various witnesses who claimed to have seen Karen at the wheel of the car. Karen has consistently denied being the driver and was in all evening, only leaving her front room to take a shower. In their typically unimaginative way, the police think that everyone has alibis for whatever they do and they don’t see that many single people’s lives just don’t work that way. The oldest excuse in the book has turned out to be the plain and simple truth. We now have forensic evidence that Karen’s flat was broken into. It makes it quite possible that her keys were stolen from inside. We have a reliable witness who’ll testify that a man was seen putting a wig on and a precise identification of the car at the exact time and place that would fit in with the accident. We have CCTV evidence that shows a man possibly running away from the car and that Karen wasn’t on the tape doing the same. That evidence must be run past Karen and check it’s Fenner before we get our hopes up.” “I’ll see to that.” “If she identifies him, we have another problem. What it doesn’t show is him or anyone getting out of the car and we haven’t got an up to date photo of Fenner. We need that and to get a cleaned up still from the CCTV evidence, and cross check it against a photograph of him. Karen has given evidence of an almighty row between her and Fenner on the very day of the hit and run accident. The police must think that the emotional shock of it on top of resigning from her job caused her to get totally plastered and drive round like a lunatic. In reality, this provides a rock solid motive for Fenner to be guilty. I am grateful to your conversations with me, which have painted an exact picture of everyone concerned and of the sequence of events. What interests me is just what prompted him to break in on Nikki’s and Helen’s flat when he did?” “Why on earth would the man think that they’d be out to bring him down? It must be free floating paranoia or else something must have triggered it off,” added Claire. “Good point, Claire but the really key question in my mind is whether or not the CPS could be prevailed to drop the charges against Karen, question Fenner and consider trying him instead.” “Hmmn, that’s a tricky one. Just how bigoted and inflexible are the CPS on matters like this?” Claire questioned. “No, no, Claire,” George replied, smiling at Claire’s innocence.” Why ask the monkey when the organ grinder is the one who matters?” “You mean this is another political hot potato?” “It’s bound to be. The name of Larkhall Prison has come back to haunt the Home Office yet again. The real question is whether or not sense of realism will come out on top over their stupid pride. The press have a field day with another prison officer, one whose record for general skullduggery may come out.” “Hang on a minute, George. We are uniquely placed through our contacts to know that but do the Home Office?” “Not sure about that. It’s a good point,” admitted George. “Who’s the opposing barrister?” “Brian Cantwell, thank God,” the blond haired woman said with deep feeling.” They’ve given up on putting Frobisher up against me.” “In what way is that an advantage?” pursued Claire.”From what I’ve seen of him, he’s more dangerous than Frobisher.” “His advantage is that he’s willing to cut a deal. He’s simply a hired gun, not stupid or pig headed. He is a slippery customer in court and you have to watch him like a hawk.” “Guess you’ll have to try some of your feminine charm on him, George. He strikes me as susceptible to that.” George’s smile slipped a little. Of course, she would have had no trouble with that a month or so ago. Back then, she’d been acting several parts, the hard and unprincipled barrister, Haughton’s trophy partner and the heterosexual woman for all she knew. She’d been served an object lesson that the workings of her unconscious had been a mystery to herself. She didn’t relish slipping on the mask again, not when she’d figured out some principles in her life. She frowned and fiddled with her elegant biro as she concentrated on the combined political and legal dynamics of the situation. “I don’t think I’ll do it, Claire. Look at it this way and if I’ve got anything wrong, please put me right. As I see it, Karen’s strongest defence will put another prison officer in the frame. You can’t separate the two. She’s in the public domain as a former wing governor who the hit and run driver thanks to our wonderful tabloid press but Fenner is a serving prison officer with a supposedly clean record.” Claire smiled appreciatively at the heavy sarcastic edge George deployed in her character description. She’d heard everything to know about him from Helen and Nikki. “Incidentally, where do we stand on Fenner being charged for breaking and entering?” “Interesting point, Claire. I talked to John before you came over and he is thinking of ‘recusing himself’ if he were to be the trial judge. Fenner was guilty of breaking and entering, no doubt, but was involved in a fight, which could be considered six of one and half dozen of the other. Neither Nikki nor Helen has gone to the police as yet.” “A ‘two off’ situation is less easier to sweep under the carpet than a one off situation. Karen is the more expendable of the two of them……I know how morally contemptible that sounds,” George added as Claire opened her mouth to protest at the moral squalor of such calculations”……..you have to think through their minds to anticipate what they’ll do. Cantwell knows very well that if he concedes that Karen wasn’t the murderer, he’s throwing away half his defence of Fenner.” “So Karen’s defence will involve stacking up the case against Fenner as the trial evolves and hopefully see him taken away in handcuffs” “…and seeing that frightful ex of mine squirm with embarrassment,” added George mischievously, grinning like a Cheshire cat. The sipped their cups of tea thoughtfully in the restful silence. They might as well have clinked their cups together to toast the forthcoming battle. The sunlight streamed in through the large window, overlooking the street, bathing them in soft focussed sunlight. “Can I leave it with Shirley to get an up to date photo of Fenner?” “No problem.” “Our witnesses are as follows, Nikki, Helen, Karen, Tony and Shirley. Do we arrange another meeting and gather everyone together?” “You mean as we normally do?” George answered softly, affection infused in every syllable. The other woman smiled her agreement. Their first case together established a marvellous sense of collaboration and this case established this as normal. ******* Claire got back just in time for Nikki and Helen to make their entrance. She waved them through to her office and waited for them to speak. Helen was the first to speak in a stream of words that shot out of her mouth. “I told you this morning how that bastard Fenner broke into our flat and we’re figuring what’s best to do. Naturally, we’re going round it with a toothcomb to make absolutely sure that no one ever breaks in again. As yet, we haven’t reported this to the police to have the bastard charged for breaking and entering. What we don’t know is just how far to take it as we don’t know what the hell caused this after over nearly a year of absolutely nothing.” After this, a tense silence fell on the room reflecting the two women’s tense moods and uncharacteristic indecisiveness. The longer it went on, the more painful it felt for Claire She’d known Helen for a long time and got to know that fiercely determined woman who fit in with her old friend so well. If they were at a loss to proceed, there was a real problem. “You know that I’d represent you to the best of my ability on any case that came my way. It’s just that…….” “We know very well that we’d have to approach the police,” Nikki answered tersely. Her unspoken words hammered home to Claire just what their dilemma was. While they had counted as friends some of the legal profession, the police was something different. Nikki considered them as primitive Neanderthals not too much removed from the prison officers she’d suffered under and Helen knew that her formal authority over the prison officers who’d worked for her was only in place by her cracking the whip. She couldn’t hope to have that same pull over a foreign institution. “There’s another matter, Claire. We had a friend of ours stop the night, John Deed. You remember him from my trial. He crashed on our sofa that night of Fenner's break in, as he had his emotional troubles and fortunately he was around to knock the living daylights out of Fenner. What we don’t want to do is to inadvertently land the poor guy in trouble.” Claire’s eyes misted over at the two women’s concern for him. She had too much respect for their intuition to dismiss them out of hand or to make false reassuring noises. In a way, it could be harder to give professional advice to those close to her where she had emotional involvement in their future. “I can’t advice you on this one. I can’t produce a bunny out of the hat on this one. It all depends on what the police do on this one.” “That’s OK Claire. You don’t have to beat yourself up. Guess you can’t have all the answers all the time,” Nikki said, very gallantly. The fact that Nikki was trying to be nice to her only made her feel worse, especially after the glowing positivity of her earlier meeting with George. . |
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| Axiegirl21 | Oct 11 2008, 04:51 PM Post #159 |
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Gotta say I'm surprised Fenner went after our girls himself and didn't pay someone else to do it. I did have to grin when he was confronted by John though I'm a little worried about what he's gonna do now though, if he was desperate enough to go after them himself then he's desperate to do something worse to them On the other hand if he's concentrating on Helen and Nikki he may slip up on the Karen thing and give our merry band something to hang him with. Question though, would John really get into trouble for protecting his friends, I mean like he said Nikki's record was wiped clean so it's not like he's consorting with ex-cons is it
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| emtsue | Oct 11 2008, 08:10 PM Post #160 |
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Richard,lets get rid of the business of Fenner first ,shall we?!Why are Helen and Nikki so surprised and taken aback that Fenner,after a year away from Larkhall, would be after them?Look,we all know he's an evil bastard,but at the same time he's always been an instinctually smart,evil bastard and Helen and Nikki know this to be true.He might not have had actual proof on his side,but he had enough to get Helen to resign.His hatred for Nikki goes without saying.The fact that she got out of Larkhall with helen's help,well thats just a double whammy.My feeling is that he was just biding his time with them.He always blamed Helen for his problems at Larkhall and being stepped over for promotion,Helen finding out about the O'Kane business,let alone the stabbing incident with Shell Dockley.In my opinion this has been in the works for quite awhile. So any thing bad that has happened to him since and after larkhall he blames on Helen,and Nikki by association and hate.He most likely still has contacts within the prison system,maybe he was able to find out that it was Helen and Nikki at the scene of the crime and that they are helping to get Karen off.Like I said ,he's not stupid,he's just as aware of their strengths ,as he is their weaknesses.It almost comes across that our girls are in a little bit of denial here not wanting to think about what would happen if their relationship in Larkhall were to be made public domaine,even with Nikki's conviction being wiped clean.The fact that she now also works within the prison system becomes a major concern.For some reason I still have the nagging feeling that the bretheren are involved somehow.I just want to mention that when Helen left Larkhall she excplicitly told Fenner that if she were going down so was he,and he "should enjoy it while it lasts".I'm sure he's not forgotten that. On to George and Claire.I apppreciate the way these two work with each other.They're already like an old married couple when lawyering together.Here's my question; Does Claire ,and George for that matter,know everything that actually went on at Larkhall ,i.e.;Nikki's escape,barbara's diary and so on....?I truthfully can't remember if this has been mentioned throughout the three stories.In any case ,could be a problem,no? Okey Dokey...gotta go to work Richard..as always looking forward to your response. |
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| Andliv2laf | Oct 11 2008, 11:00 PM Post #161 |
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Great thought provoking update there Richard! I can see Emtsue's wheels spinning from here. I will have to agree with her comment...I truly believe that Fenner has a connection...his character doesn't allow him to do things unless there is a fall guy, or someone in high authority that he believes can save him! He is a coward by nature...a true bulley...he never attacks someone on this level...he goes for the weak and wounded! So if he is a representative of the darkside...who is he involved with...is it George's ex...is it one or more of the bretheren...did they seek him out after the trial because they knew he had a score to settle???? This is the part I have many questions about...he always slips when his confidence gets high...so when and where will it happen...will he become paranoid and sell out when he finds out who John is, and how George is connected to the girls...will he panic and spill all...or will he simply go down throwing names around while the bretheren watch him sink??? OK...great job Richard...great response Emtsue...I will let that be all for now...until next time....
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| richard | Oct 12 2008, 12:30 PM Post #162 |
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Whew, two pieces of real literary criticism of a high order that reading this and responding is getting to be engrossing as writing the fics. I read about an avant garde theory that no piece of creation is complete until the audience adds to it which I certainly get this feel. To you, Andlif2laf, Overtly, Karen is Fenner’s most immediate threat but Fenner is extraordinarily fixed in his hatreds as you so brilliantly argue in your essay, Emtsue. This was his motivation and his execution of it sounds very overt as you quite rightly say, Andlif2laf but so was his breaking into Karen’s flat, stealing incriminating documents, stealing Karen’s car and fitting her up for a hit and run murder. The problem is that, instead of being the character they used to see daily, he is this presence somewhere in London who goes to a place that Nikki visited once recently and has the privilege of only seeing again if her job causes her to do so- and she has a fair say in this with a sympathetic boss, another turnaround. As you also say, Karen’s trial will become mostly on Fenner’s thoughts- even his capacity for vengeance and paranoia is limited. Your second post raises the fascinating question of whether there is someone at the back of him. The only thing I’ll say is that he is operating in a bigger environment outside Larkhal which is something he hasn’t got used to as Nikki and Helen have learnt. Inside Larkhall, he has his position of power and weaker accomplices who he can use and manipulate to his own advantage. To you, Emtsue, as you rightly point out, Nikki and Helen had that sense which was an alertness to danger or alternatively, paranoia towards Fenner. When they were all there, Larkhall had that ‘hothouse’ atmosphere where the outside world was almost unreal. Both Helen and Nikki have been nearly a year on the outside (by my timing) and had reacted as ‘normal citizens’, worthy enough but liable to create this vulnerability. On top of this, they’d picked up John’s outlook that they would be protected from danger as they were associated with his power in two court cases and being associated with his protests. In particular, they had become used to calling the shots. Their very exposure to the justice they deserve made them vulnerable in not conceiving what Fenner might or could do. I hope this makes sense, Emtsue. I’d also conceived Fenner’s attempt to terrorise Nikki and Helen as backfiring in the most spectacular fashion possible He calls on the one night when, not only is a guy sleeping over –definitely out of Fenner’s calculation- but a judge who knows firsthand that Nikki’s record is wiped clean and so is her breaking out of Larkhall and sleeping with Helen, ect and Helen’s cover up. I think, to answer your very valid question, Emtsue, that Claire and George don’t know about the incidents you mention (scratched my head at this point to be sure) but for the reasons I’ve argued, it doesn’t matter. Furthermore, Fenner has wildly miscalculated John’s ability with fisticuffs to his total humiliation. However, John is set a problem in terms of who will be the judge when Karen Betts case comes up for trial as he has personal involvement with Fenner. Helen and Nikki are set the puzzle as to whether they should react in kind to Fenner’s criminal offence as you will see. Feel free to follow up anything here. |
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| richard | Oct 17 2008, 10:10 PM Post #163 |
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Sorry about the delay in the next post. I'm awaiting betaed scenes coming over. at the very leat, next piece, betaed or unbetaed will be up this weekend. |
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| Andliv2laf | Oct 18 2008, 04:15 AM Post #164 |
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Thanks Richard... |
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| emtsue | Oct 18 2008, 06:11 AM Post #165 |
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Hiya Richard, I've been meaning to respond to your last reply. Although as you say Nikki's record has been wiped clean and thus so has the escape,couldn't Fenner still make tabloid fodder out of the escape?It might not matter in the big picture (meaning any kind of prison time)but it could still stir things up just enough to make them feel all the more vulnerable.All Fenner would have to do is tell the "big boys" behind him,(or is that in front of him?),I'm sure they have enough contacts in the press to do quite a bit of emotional damage if nothing else.On the other hand, all it may do is get Helen and Nikki so pissed off.......well it's just too gruesome to think about
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On the other hand if he's concentrating on Helen and Nikki he may slip up on the Karen thing and give our merry band something to hang him with. Question though, would John really get into trouble for protecting his friends, I mean like he said Nikki's record was wiped clean so it's not like he's consorting with ex-cons is it

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