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| abzug | Oct 24 2008, 05:38 PM Post #16 |
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I feel terrible for having started this thread, given the wretchedness of last night's episode. It's hard to even begin to list the things that were wrong with it. So offensive. So sad for Erica. When did Callie become such a fucking bitch? Wait, sorry, I know, she's actually just acting like a normal bi-curious girl: hot and cold, changing her mind every second. Having been through that more than once, it's painful to watch on tv. And I think really confusing for viewers. I'm confused, and I've seen this before in real life. There's also a preview of next week's episode from Canadian tv which shows Callie in bed with Erica AND having sex with Mark. !!!! Why are they doing this? It really feels cruel and torturous, actually. I can't figure out if we're supposed to care about Callie and Erica, or if Erica will find true love elsewhere, and Callie will go back with Mark. The show itself is so inconsistent with the signals its sending. More bi-curious straight girl style, really. Which kinda makes sense, given that the writers are straight girls, so no wonder the show is embodying straight girls' worst qualities! |
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| ekny | Oct 24 2008, 05:54 PM Post #17 |
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I haven't seen anything yet, but I'm genuinely sorry for fans who've gotten their hopes up that the show's taken what sounds like this dramatic a downturn *this* fast... that surprises even me. Maybe it's some mid-season thing & they'll get their shit together later on. (Or after fans scream loud enough, perhaps?) |
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| molsongrrrl | Oct 24 2008, 07:44 PM Post #18 |
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Last night's Callie/Erica stuff was pretty awful. The thing that bugs me the most is that Callie wasn't turned off by sex with Erica. It seemed to me her biggest concern about "south of the border" was her skill in the act rather than her partner's enjoyment. I mean Erica obviously had no complaints and was hurt to realize Callie hadn't had a good time. All of Callie's conversations with Mark centered not on her distaste (so to speak) with oral sex with a woman, but rather her perception that she wasn't good at it. So lame. I mean regardless of anyone's skill (and we all have to start somewhere) etc - isn't the most important thing your partner's enjoyment? So if Erica was happy ... why would Callie need instruction? And sorry, but it's called GOOGLE Grey's writers ... I'm sure Callie is smart enough to do a search and figure things out. Whatever. Today, I'm not feeling this pairing at all. |
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| abzug | Oct 24 2008, 07:52 PM Post #19 |
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This was actually one part of the episode I didn't totally detest. I don't think the premise was wrong, because I can understand that feeling clueless or incompetent can hinder someone's enjoyment of sex. I remember getting some explicit instructions on oral sex from my sister when I was going through a dating-men phase in my early 20s, for a similar reason that Callie was looking for assistance. That said, I agree the whole thing wound up sucking because Sara Ramirez played all the scenes as if she really did hate it, rather than as if she liked it but also hated it. It was weird. Like, rather than having two impulses running through all her scenes, SR had the liking it impulse turned on in the scene which opened the episode and again in the scene which closed the episode, and then had the hating it impulse turned on in all the scenes in the middle. I have whiplash from trying to follow it! And yeah, it's a total turnoff for fans of the relationship. I am rather disgusted actually, although I still love Erica. |
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| molsongrrrl | Oct 24 2008, 08:11 PM Post #20 |
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Well, yeah I guess that's true enough - I can go with it based on that idea. I still found Callie annoying as hell in this episode. I'm pretty sure Erica is not going to be pleased to find out Callie is sleeping with her and Mark ... and nothing stays secret on Grey's so she's bound to find out. |
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| Jeanna | Oct 24 2008, 11:51 PM Post #21 |
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| COOL | Oct 25 2008, 12:22 PM Post #22 |
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Well Hello ... just passing through and saw a Gray's Anatomy thread. Love Gray's Anatomy, it's sort of pitched bewtween ER and Scrubs, which I also love. I only really started watching this year so am catching up with repeats. I don't have proper digital so I'm not sure which series' have been shown in the UK but I'm watching on Channel five. Saw the You Tube clip Don't know if 'Private Practice' has reached the UK yet ..has that gone down well in the States? Hope everyone is well ... take care.. COOL |
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| abzug | Oct 25 2008, 01:25 PM Post #23 |
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Hey COOL, nice to see you!
Not particularly. Critics have hated it, and viewership isn't high. The main complaint is that they took an empowered, self-reliant female character (Addison) and turned her into a flaky, blithering idiot.
I don't think you have to worry about it being too twee (had to go look that one up before commenting), but underwritten may be a problem. So far I think ER has done a better job, although at least we seem to be past the time when coming out to oneself can be the full basis of a lesbian storyline on tv. |
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| cagey | Oct 27 2008, 01:58 AM Post #24 |
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I was talking today with a lesbian friend who is an avid Grey's Anatomy watcher. Actually, I was doing some Bad Girls proselytizing and she commented that she only gets her lesbian love stories from broadcast television. She thought this week's episode was funny - saw Callie as a go-to gal who went to the source for information and then proceeded to demonstrate her new found skill for Erica. Which kind of makes sense in the mindset of these highly competitive but childish residents. Having given up on the series after the second season, I think I will have to take another look. But from the clips I've seen on youtube, this is the comic relief. I will be most interested to see if it gets beyond the "how cute and silly can we be" stage. Just read the blog on greyswriters.com. (they have their own website??) Anyway, the women responsible for the episode pretty much agree with the above interpretation. Not exactly on topic - above mentioned friend is a public defender, and her first comment about Bad Girls was "why is it (lesbian love stories) always about women in prison?" A sentiment echoed by another friend. Do you get this reaction often? It seems like a barrier to them connecting with the premise and story. Something I find extremely annoying. |
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| ekny | Oct 27 2008, 02:32 AM Post #25 |
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Hi cagey, I don't agree that lesbian love stories "always" end up in prison, but I totally understand where they're coming from. Especially for viewers of a certain age, who can remember things like Prisoner: Cell Block H, dreadful made-for-tv movies like Cage without a Key (horrible rape scene), and all those hot-chicks-escaped-from-prison movies w/the likes of Pam Grier (plus earlier films like--oh, Jeanna would know--the one with Agnes Moorhead, I'm blocking on the whole wretched experience...), there's basically nothing in this subgenre to suggest it could possibly be taken seriously--or have anything serious to say. So the operating assumption is: it's crap. (Going even farther afield, there's also a whole subgenre of softcore Europorn from the 70s with women-in-prison settings, of course. So who wants to see shit that by definition exploits us?) That's what I pretty much assumed before seeing it--not necessarily that it'd be horrible, but certainly, that it wouldn't be *good*. In fact, I had it in my queue at Netf*cks for months (don't get me started on them, they've been shipping so slowly lately I canceled my account) before getting it: I kept pushing it further back & putting off seeing it, because I was sort of filled with foreboding at having to endure Yet Another Terrible Women-in-Prison thing just because of my compulsive need to see lesbian content in the media. Of course, after one episode I was impressed and just plain interested; after 4 I was seriously hooked. And so it goes for most of us. But first you have to get them in front of a DVD player & in a halfway reasonable frame of mind, so when they get lost in the accents they don't give up before they give it half a chance! ![]() Just my 2c.... others mileage may vary. --e |
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| molsongrrrl | Oct 27 2008, 02:42 AM Post #26 |
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I agree ekny - I think the comment about Lesbian's and prison is just due to all those exploitation type movies - I belong to a torrent site that peddles primarily in bad movies and they have an entire project dedicated to Women In Prison (The WIP Project) movies - which invariably include a lesbian scene (or two). And sorry to hear about your issues with netflix ... I've never had any issues with them - and hopefully saying that won't jinx me! When I first heard about Bad Girls I was sort of meh about it because of the prison angle (mostly because I hadn't read that much about it and didn't realize there was a great lesbian love story to be had). Then one night I caught an ep as I was flipping by LOGO - luckily it was a good ep with lots of Helen and Nikki or who knows if I would have ever gotten interested (the ep was the one where they are in the art room). So I jumped onto torrent sites - found series 1 and I was hooked. |
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| Jeanna | Oct 27 2008, 02:47 AM Post #27 |
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"Always" ? Compared to...what...exactly? Most of the women in prison stories have been done by men, are bad-b exploitation flicks, or that aussie soap from many years ago... I guess the title "Bad Girls" can put some off--it did me initially. But that is where any similarity to any other women in prison story begins and ends. I would ask...why always the bi-curious *yawn* storyline as the only conceivable consumption for (mostly) hetero female audiences ("Sex and the City," "Coupling," "Torchwood," "Picket Fences," "Ally McBeal," "Cashmere Mafia," etc. etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum)? I have a sense of humor too...but straight male and female writers tend to satirize just a bit much and show absolutely no insight into these characters or into lesbians. And Romance...or the other L word...what's that? Nuthin' They are infantilized into little girls, as per an infamous interview with the film "Personal Best" director Robt. Towne, who are acting out and playing at it and really "don't know what they want." Lesbianism, once again, seen as a regressive trait. ETA: I see you girls were ahead of me in responding to this and I seem to be echoing you though I was working on this reply while you were posting. And we seem to have similar ideas on the topic. <G> |
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| Jeanna | Oct 27 2008, 02:48 AM Post #28 |
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E, the one with Aggie Moorehead (supposedly 'family' herself) is "Caged" directed by John Cromwell, James' father. |
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| cagey | Oct 27 2008, 03:55 AM Post #29 |
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Highly amusing. I picked Bad Girls up in the video store with some sense that I had heard it was good - probably from listening to BBC2 too much a few years ago. Gee, we were surprised by what was in the offing. I agree that it is the bad taste of other exploitation films and pulp fiction that leads my pals to these conclusions. I am completely behind the reasoning of the producers for why and how they did the Bad Girls concept but one does feel a bit of an idiot to start explaining why its a good story with the tag line of "its set in a prison." And the title "Bad Girls" is problematic. It helps if you say it with a serious roll on the Rs. Jeanna - I am going to hang back here a minute cause I am new on the wing and not ready to discuss the "male gaze" just yet. |
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| solitasolano | Oct 29 2008, 05:11 AM Post #30 |
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Back to our regular programing...network tv series. Took me awhile. Grey's Anatomy. Is it a hospital or a high school? That's how they act. What's with Callie? First of all we, the audience, have been privy to few conversations between Callie and Erica since the season opener when they talked about being scary virgins...or was it scary being a virgin. Ok, plus the second base conversation on the date. I guess it wouldn't make for "drama' if they actually talked to each other about what was happening. Callie's character is over the top with her mixed signals about not being into the girl love stuff versus performance anxiety. I won't mind the intended story line (straight girl trying to figure out if she's lesbian or not) if she looked more confused than disgusted. There's far more interaction between Callie and bff/f**kbuddy boy than her intended. Then the "steak knife" queen turned into an floormat in record time. I noticed Erica, the straight girl who seems fine with being lesbian, isn't the character who is moving the story forward. Callie gets most of the reactions shots, the last ones with the smiles (previous episodes) and the frowns. Thought several other things were over the top besides Callie's whiplash worthy head jerk when Erica first encounters her in the episode. There's the linebacker like tackle onto the couch after "taking it slow"; the obvious VO line right before that "decide which team you're playing on"; the fact that Callie left in the morning FROM HER OWN APARTMENT leaving Erica still asleep in a strange bed and house after their first night together (what's with that?); the way too enthusiastic Callie face when Sloan says he'll show her the Slow method (I know he said Sloan method, but I keep hearing Slow). Two things I really liked...one, how Brooke Smith played the realization-grab-the-x-ray-off-the-light-box-storm-out-of-the-room without looking back, and two, it's refreshing to see an actress with a little flesh on her, ie. Callie when she takes her top off. Most shows have actress so thin that if you saw them in person you would want to take them to the hospital for treatment. Think maybe Sloan could end up patching things up between the girls. Wonder how the show will have roomate Yang finding out...if there's still anything to find out, that is. I don't know where they're going with this story line. I'll be spaced out after work on Thursday eve so might as well see what's next. |
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And so it goes for most of us. But first you have to get them in front of a DVD player & in a halfway reasonable frame of mind, so when they get lost in the accents they don't give up before they give it half a chance! 

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