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Grey's Anatomy; I have to admit I kinda love it
Topic Started: Oct 21 2008, 04:31 PM (2,814 Views)
ekny
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I know, I found the last few pages pretty rousing myself--great selection of quotes!--it *is* a total clusterfuck. I keep thinking, what is going on here: I didn't even like this damn show; I wasn't emotionally invested. But I keep getting angrier: the firing of Brooke Smith takes it outside 'fictional' parameters to a whole different level.

It's all so grotesque it's still hard to believe it's happening now, in 2008. Some people's minds are just draped in medieval shrouds.
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I was reading the comments on TVGuide.com when this story was announced (Smith's firing) and it was just so discouraging (and tiring). Endless numbers of people making comments about how all tv shows have gay storylines and its wrong. How gays are an abomination against god - you know the typical thing. Then I was on soap board and saw comments about Bianca on All My Children (only lesbian character on a US soap) - apparently she kissed her current gf on a recent ep. The comments were pretty much along the lines of "it made me sick" etc. And then the election comes along and all these gay marriage bans are passed.

How can we make such a big step forward by electing our first African-American President and yet take so many steps backwards as far as equal rights for all people? On the one hand, I'm so proud of America for electing this President and on the other ... so disgusted at the continued narrow-mindedness that exists.

I don't think Erica was the best character on Grey's - she was often written as bitchy and cranky for no apparent reason. And while I thought Erica and Callie had chemistry - the couple was just not that well written (for all the reasons well chronicled in this thread). I think they had potential and I really believed it would eventually work out. I couldn't have been more wrong could I?

Anyway thanks solitasolano for posting those quotes. At least some sanity to be had in the middle of this ridiculousness.
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molsongrrrl, I highly recommend the TWOP GA forum for insightful, upset, obsessive, and in this case, lesbian friendly discussion of all that has happened and will to Dr. Hahn, cardiogoddess (once again thanks to the TWOP poster for this.)

Just google TWOP. :)
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Oh I'm a member of TWoP - have been for a while. I just haven't looked at the board over there in the last few days - usually there are so many comments, it takes a long time to get through them ... and I just haven't had the time! I think I will go over there today!
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Since I'm figuring she was fired because some network v.p. didn't like her looks...would she have any recourse to a discrimination suit? Not that actors will ever rock the boat that way.

ABC is the same network that cancelled Ellen and stalled any real romantic relationship for Bianca for years on All My Children, but the character is still there and still gay...and very popular, despite the occasional bigotry like that quoted above. Someone on one of my other boards pointed out that there are gay characters on other current ABC shows such as Ugly Betty or Sons & Daughers, Desperate Housewives (and isn't there an actual transsexual actor playing a transsexual character on Dirty Sexy Money?) So, it can't just be the gay storyline.
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....didn't like her looks...would she have any recourse to a discrimination suit?

Ya can't discriminate against a fictional character by the law. LOL, it's Dr. Hahn who was gay and who's looks were unpleasing not the real person...no really if that makes sense? Believe me this is not how the laws are written. That said too, the "job" of actor is not a regular job...it's not like, you know, after 30 days she can't be fired for anything less than "just cause". Who knows what Ms Smith's contract says? I don't, but likely the producers have all the power in exchange for which Ms Smith gets alot of money. Producers can do just about anything, and I'm sure that's what her contract says...

Given that, anyone else watching the swan song tonight? I will be. Anyone else with me? :popcorn
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Sounds as though they are discriminating against the actress, not the producers, but the non-creative suits at the network.

I wonder if they'd be doing the same, as I suggested earlier in this thread, if the actress was a more traditional 'babe' type--such as the bi-curious and/or lesbian couple from last season's cancelled "Cashmere Mafia."
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Ah sorry, Jeanna, I misunderstood where you were going with that. I wouldn't know re. the "babe" thing. I'm the wrong person to comment on that anyway, since I think Brooke Smith's Dr. Eric Hahn is way more appealing and attractive than what I saw of the Casmhere girls. :)

Brooke Smith earned a new fan, me, out of all this. :actress
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I totally agree.

I'm just trying to 'think' like a male network exec. *shudder*

Y'know, the same types at the network who didn't think "Helen" was hot enough and wanted Shed to replace her and write her out.

I can just hear the guys at ABC..."She's a dawg, who wants to see two zoftig women goin' at it?" Though I think they'd use even more offensive language than that...which is why, if it ever leaked out, that I think a discrimination suit could be a possiblity--in any other industry. Actors don't usually like to make trouble and endanger future work that way.

"McDreamy" was on Ellen this week and she brought it up and he read a prepared statement (!) from the network, rather tongue in cheek I thought, but wouldn't say anything further (as he also refused to do over the "fag" calling incident with his fellow cast member--even tho Dempsey was the one who got into a tiff with Washington on behalf of the gay actor on the show who was outted by this incident) and Ellen just looked a bit perturbed by the announcement's confirmation, asked "and is that all right?" (to which he was all "no comment") and all she could say was "hmmm."
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J, for what it's worth, my memory of what I read around that is a little different: the issue wasn't the relative state of her hotness (not that I recall, anyway), but that the network execs (ITV) specifically said they didn't understand her. Oddly, it wasn't really voiced (again, as I recall--quotes from Shed, etc) as a particular concern in terms of the audience; it was that they literally thought she was just too complicated & confusing & totally did not Get her because... you know: tiny brains. Easily confused. Need shoelaces tied by wet-nurse. Etc. Therefore, I suppose, no one else would 'get' her either. Because we're all the same, & that's as far as tiny brains take us. :crutch
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One last comment, since the show is so over for me already.

Dr. Erica Hahn rocks.
I never thought TPTB would knock her off. Giving Callie and Erica the last scene to write her off did surprise me. That is the only plus at this point. The arguement was great, primarily because it starts out about one thing (Erica's outrage at what the blond did and Callie supporting her not Erica and doing the right thing), but in the end, a more underlying, more primal complain comes out; "and you can't kinda be a lesbian." Isn't that what arguments are like?

I don't want to get into a discussion about a sterotype of lesbians rejecting bisexual women. I just want my comments to be about Erica and Callie disconnecting on what each needs from each other. Erica didn't get her needs met by Callie. Erica blew Callie off....good for her...there could have been a future of this relationship....oh but wait, the showrunners fired one of them, so end of story...

Don't blame chemistry, Episode 4 had to be one of the most uncomfortable, idiotic, insensitive bits of tv writing I've seen in a long time (begging for the Sloan method).

I've only ever watched 3 episodes of this show. I usually muted the scenes with the blonde doctor (I only know now her name is Izzie). I thought she sucked. Last night I would start to do that too, but then remember, oh wait, this is part of the Hahn storyline I better listen.

When it comes down to it, I stick to my very first impression of this show, it's highschool not a hospital.

Bye bye, Emotional Girl.
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Erica's outrage at what the blond did and Callie supporting her not Erica


What makes Callie's support of Izzy even more ridiculous ... is the fact that Izzy cheated with Callie's husband George only last year!

I would have been okay with Callie's support speech if she would have said "I'm not a fan of Izzy's, but this issue was addressed by the Chief and I would hate for any damage to come to the hospital." Only because she wouldn't have been supporting Izzy after all she's done to her. (of course the issue of what is right or wrong still would have been handled wrong by Callie because Erica was certainly right about reporting that whole incident, but as a long time viewer I know nothing will come of that anyway.)

I still think Erica will likely end up dead (and saving her patient) - I didn't like the way Callie was crying in the previews for next week.

I was glad Erica got to walk away from Callie and not the other way around. And I'm happy she was in the right.

It still annoys me that Brooke Smith was let go.
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Sorry I haven't posted in here of late. I can't get to the board from work, and I haven't had time when I've been at home. Sad but true.

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Someone on one of my other boards pointed out that there are gay characters on other current ABC shows such as Ugly Betty or Sons & Daughers, Desperate Housewives (and isn't there an actual transsexual actor playing a transsexual character on Dirty Sexy Money?) So, it can't just be the gay storyline.

The trans character on Dirty Sexy Money has been written off. In addition, all of the other gay characters on ABC primetime are men. The problem seems to be sexism, more than anything else. At the risk of rehashing my rants from TWoP, Hahn was a character with no use for men. She didn't need their approval (as her abrasive behavior made clear), and she didn't need them for sex. Not only that, she wasn't punished for either of those two things. You can't very well have a woman around who is happy once she realizes she is gay. That would mean that men aren't as important as they think they are! In fact, with an actor who looks like Brooke Smith, it's clear they're not even needed as audience members, since she clearly wasn't cast to titilate (as the character's personality also demonstrates).


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I was glad Erica got to walk away from Callie and not the other way around. And I'm happy she was in the right.

Totally! I was so scared Callie was going to dump Erica because she wasn't into girls. But to have Erica do it was far better. And boy was she in the right. That scene made me all the more glad that I don't watch this show anymore, because it made me realize how sick I am of their immature, immoral behavior. Blech.

Jeanna, you were right and I was wrong back at the top of this thread. I just wanted to admit it publicly. This has been the most horrible of screw-overs, when it comes to lesbian media.

So does anyone have ANY recommendations of terrific tv shows? I don't like anything that's on right now, not a thing, now that Mad Men has ended. How depressing is that? I can't think of a time when there hasn't been a tv show on which I was passionate about.
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Hi, babe.

I may not have been into this series, but I am really annoyed now by what the ABC execs have done. There is a petition going around, but a lot of good that will do if they go so far as to kill off the character.

There are various shows people keep telling me to watch (like "Fringe" which sounds like an attempt to resurrect our beloved "X-Files"), but I've been catching up on things on dvd from my library and Netflix. The only thing I've been watching on current network television is "Pushing Daisies" (which does have brit actress Anna Friel, notable as half of the lesbian teen pairing of "Brookside") where they talk so fast I can't keep up most of the time. I like the high relief color and the quirky broadway actresses. It's a fable, and therefore a bit twee, reminiscent of Tim Burton's "Big Fish" which I didn't much care for.

I guess you'll have to wait and see for the new Bad Girls (and do we know yet if they're going to call it that?)
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I'd advise checking out "How I Met Your Mother" or "30 Rock" - so few sitcoms out there - these are worth it.

Other than that "Chuck" and "Pushing Daisies" are excellent. Funny and heart felt.
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