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| abzug | Jul 23 2009, 02:53 AM Post #436 |
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I was thinking the EXACT same thing! Especially b/c it now seems like she'll be on five episodes this week, and for what? She didn't need to be on today at all. Oh, wait, hold on a second. I just thought of something. Emma's line might be the key. Before this, Liv has been a wreck, but it hasn't been clear that Emma's been aware of this. We now know Emma is aware that 1. Her mother is crazy 2. Her mother really needs Natalia What if what brings Natalia back is little Emma calling her (as per her very reasonable suggestion in the car) and telling Nat that Liv really really needs her? Maybe? It seems plausible. But I'm feeling the time pressure as much as anyone else. They're like 2 weeks away from being done with filming, or maybe 2 1/2, and it's like HOLY SHIT are we going to get what we want/need from this storyline?! Internal panic level rising. |
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| cagey | Jul 23 2009, 03:29 AM Post #437 |
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G3 Curtain and Duvet!
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Not going to get technical into CC's contract about if she is paid by the amount of hours per week or the number of appearances. People who know better than I about how these contracts are negotiated can explain. I live in the world of *at will* employment. None of which has anything to do with the story.
That is so wonderful an idea. But I bet Emma gets the voicemail just like Liv did - unless the voice mail is full cause Olivia has been leaving messages non stop since the 4th of July. And, soap time keepers - did you notice, when Olivia was asked by Remy how long Natalia has been gone, her answer was "since the 4th of July". And what is today's date Ms. Spencer? |
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| marymartin | Jul 23 2009, 01:34 PM Post #438 |
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The ghost of Larkhall!
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I don't know if I agree that Josh doesn't 'know' about Olivia's feelings for Natalia. Both he and Jeffrey were with them during the pool game when Natalia hustled everyone into thinking she didn't know how to play. He is the one who responded to Liv's "We girls are solid" with "Yes you are." He is the one who months ago made the comment that he'd heard she was 'with someone'. What's happening right now with Josh seems to parallel the dance between Natalia and Olivia months ago when Olivia kept trying to tell Natalia about her feelings and she kept dodging or deflecting. He is also the one when Olivia first moved into the farmhouse and was railing about all of Natalia's religious artifacats and struggling to deal with Natalia's beliefs, who talked to her briefly about God, reminding her he used to be a minister. The writing and/or editing of many scenes IMO has been clumsy lately so one can't be sure, but I think Josh is supposed to be in Liv's orbit so he can help her spiritually, not sexually. IF as it is to be believed, that Jeffrey died to help pave the way to reunite the super couple Josh and Reva and Otalia is endgame, Josh will be there as a friend. He is in love with Reva. Olivia is in love with Natalia. Josh is also not stupid -- he has to be picking up the continual "Natalia" references and the "it's so hard to deal when someone you love is gone". |
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| marymartin | Jul 23 2009, 01:39 PM Post #439 |
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The ghost of Larkhall!
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1) Natalia didn't take her phone to the retreat so calling won't accomplish anything. 2) The date thing was deliberate. The episodes are shot weeks before they air. Only something significant like the 4th of July or Christmas will be referenced by date onscreen. 3) A lot of what has happened this week in real time has been one or two days in SF, so I think Nat hasn't been gone as long as Jessica has. |
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| ekny | Jul 23 2009, 05:40 PM Post #440 |
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I follow your reasoning perfectly, Marymartin, & agree with all the steps you took in your post to lay it out. The problem is: if Josh knows, he's being insensitive & disrespectful by coming on to her. If he doesn't know--his characterization is inconsistent. But then that's nothing new for this show, or soaps in general, far as I can tell. I'm all for Mister Ex-Lay Minister helping her as a friend. But if that's the case maybe he shouldn't be coming on to her with every murmur that escapes his silken lips. As everyone's said: we've seen inconsistent scriptwriting/characterization before. I'm not being snarky (though I could): I mean, heck, take Buzz. We-all thought he knew. Evidently he does not. Whatever's convenient goes, in this genre. It's one of its weakest points. This kinda stuff is not only par for the course in soaps, it's what makes them 'work'--according to their own lights. Too perverse for me. |
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| abzug | Jul 23 2009, 05:46 PM Post #441 |
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I actually think that Josh's comeons have been so gentle as to be compatible with him knowing. I mean, he knows that Olivia likes to be desired. He might be thinking to himself, how can I make this woman, who is so miserable and lonely without her girlfriend, feel better about herself? I can do that by flirting with her, and making her feel loved and sexy. And that's what he's doing. But not in the "I want to sleep with you" way but in the "I want to make you feel good" way. It's kinda sweet, really. |
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| ekny | Jul 23 2009, 05:50 PM Post #442 |
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I considered that. I think you might be correct, this is what they intend. Emotionally I can't buy it. Josh is one of the brighter characters on this show. His tiny male brain is sooo limited he can't think of a better way to address this problem? Then I can't take him seriously. ETA: It's not even this argument. I am dead tired of bending over backwards to accommodate this show. Especially when they waste my time so flagrantly. |
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| solitasolano | Jul 23 2009, 06:27 PM Post #443 |
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Ah, since we're talking about a daytime soup opera where our heroine received a heart transplant from her boyfriend who was also the husband and childhood sweetheart of her current intended who died from an accident while he was racing to get her a new heart and on and on...etc....take a step back and enjoy some favorite moments....reminding you why this show was once not a waste of your time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCVSlYM0Y54#t=1m28s (first time I tried to link with a time start stamp...if this starts at the beginning go to 1:28) After a classic Olivia emotional outburst...the contrasting folding laundry together scene which follow is incredible touching and subtle....CC's delivery of "Yeah, she'd like that. ...not too much cheese," while looking over at Natalia and brushing her nose...great little moment. Enjoy. |
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| abzug | Jul 23 2009, 08:40 PM Post #444 |
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I think it was "Maybe a little less cheese" which is even cuter, because it's actually a criticism of the last time Natalia made lasagna. And yes, a beautiful moment. We should have everyone post YouTube links of their favorite Otalia scenes so we have something to get us through the next couple weeks without losing our minds. |
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| ekny | Jul 23 2009, 09:40 PM Post #445 |
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too late. but sorry. and thanks. & all that. ![]() Also: did you Know: Natalia is gay? without deciding so herself or a single kiss initiated by said self? How cool is that! I'd like to be immortal, myself. But rich, if not. Also, 10 years younger. Looks around. Taps foot. I'm waiting. |
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| Jeanna | Jul 23 2009, 10:00 PM Post #446 |
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I said SIT IN THAT CHAIR
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Oh dear. I knew there was a reason why I hadn't trod upon this thread in awhile. A thing about consistency in soaps... I mean...the actors, the trained ones, do have to think about motivation...at some point. And since they don't always know where the story is heading, they are guessing like the rest of us, and they can put a certain spin on something that doesn't pan out when they next get their scripts from either the same or different writers. Thinking specifically here of "Buzz knows"...the actor certainly communicated that fact to us. It's the fault of the writers if they totally ignore what the actors are doing on film (if they haven't given them any clear subtext in the stage directions)...but, one wonders, do the writers even bother to watch the show? That is something we've pondered before when looking at the mess AMC made. JLH has been credited with respecting canon and show history, but other writers seem to blithely ignore the same. |
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| solitasolano | Jul 23 2009, 10:36 PM Post #447 |
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Olivia anvil of the day: "Everyone deserves a chance to say goodbye."What? Who said Natalia's gay. Just Ashlee jumping to a conclusion. Didn't you hear Rafe insist, "My mom's not gay!!!" she only "thinks" she in love with a woman. People will think what they want, won't they?....I feel your sarcasm, I feel your pain and second the motion. Lost opportunity s/l. But hey, I love today's black fingernail polish. Yes, and it's not the last time Olivia has something to say about Nat's lasagna. Don't egg me on about posting fav moments. You're going to have to stop me now....next lasagna moment: "her lasagna is to die for" Oh yeah. abzug or anyone, can you find me the earlier lasagna criticism episode. I haven't seen that one. Merci. Added bonus, clip includes our duo discussing appearances re. did you know Natalia is gay. "Perception is reality," Natalia protests. Olivia, "Oh, because Doris Wolfe said it, then we must be lovers?" The whole Rafe "comes out" to Ashlee played out as something really between Ashlee and her mom. I imagine that might take us, the audience, somewhere sometime in the short time remaining. |
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| abzug | Jul 23 2009, 11:30 PM Post #448 |
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Really, there's not much to say, other than that I wanted to cheer because they used the word "gay" THREE times in this episode! It's always nice when they actually use the word, given how much they haven't been "labeling" this relationship. I guess it would be too much to hope that they'd use the word "lesbian" which hasn't been heard on GL since February I think. OK, so I hate to say this, but rather than enjoying Olivia tearing Rafe a new asshole, I couldn't stop looking at how frozen her face was. I hate botox!!!!! OK, now that I've gotten that off my chest, I was glad she laid into him. I wish she had "won" the exchange, but I guess she was too blown away by his twisted interpretation of what had driven Natalia away, and by his twisted interpretation of their relationship. I mean, it's sort of mind-blowing to think that anyone could watch Olivia and Natalia and think that Olivia cared about anything other than Natalia's happiness. Or that Natalia was weak and Olivia strong, since everything Olivia did in their relationship (well, not everything, but a lot) was to empower Natalia. It's hard to know what about that exchange hit Olivia where she lives, other than the part about needing someone to love her. But the rest she couldn't possibly have taken seriously. So I'm going to assume her angry breakdown on the baseball field (I couldn't help thinking of that silly Bo/Carly baseball field episode, btw) was a combination of anger at Natalia for leaving her, anger at Rafe and the Church for making Nat feel so conflicted, and loneliness (that's the desire to be loved part). Loved the black nail polish. So fitting. So goth. |
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| traveller | Jul 24 2009, 05:11 AM Post #449 |
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G2 landing
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The Schmootz on OTALIA This week on Guiding Light… Olivia is losing it.. http://www.youtube.com/user/mindschmootz |
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| cagey | Jul 24 2009, 03:04 PM Post #450 |
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G3 Curtain and Duvet!
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It does look like a sport metaphor is developing as various characters resort to aggressive physical activity to blow off the steam that comes from keeping secrets and lying. In Olivia's case I think that was a rage at just how fucked up everything is as evidenced by Rafe's uniquely insulting and self-serving interpretation of the situation. "Where's my ma" indeed after he's the one who couldn't stand to be around her.
Lots of commentary Thursday about secrets, truth telling, lies and trust. - Mallet saying he wanted to trust Marina but only if she told him the truth. - Rafe framing his objections about Natalia's personal affections in terms of her not telling him. - Ash telling Doris the worst part was that Natalia never told Rafe - Olivia telling Remy that Ava was coming to town so he wouldn't be surprised - that was a refreshingly mature moment - my favorite: Matt telling Dinah to keep the secret that she killed Edmund and just go have a happy life with Shayne.
Absolutely as set up for that coming out story - I wonder if it will happen before or after Natalia returns? It is certainly another attempt to wrap up loose ends. Not to waste a lot of time on Rafe but he does have this bipolar explanation of what is going on. On the one hand, it's all about this personal betrayal that his mommy didn't confide in him, and/or that she is a hypocrite for making him believe in Church teachings while she was transgressing. Either of those positions seem, to me, to make Natalia rather formidable. On the other hand, he is intent on making this Olivia's *fault* - she took advantage, she took what she wanted, Natalia was weak and easily swayed. Didn't he at some point in the past make some comment about how Olivia wanted everything - I think it was in reference to when she demanded the house? Is it that personal for him? Olivia is now taking his mother from him? |
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but sorry. and thanks. & all that. 

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